Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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The B10 tourney success will hinge on UW and the rodents making it. Those 2 teams have by far the largest fan bases of the B10 teams.

I have heard that the B10 tourney will be held in Chicago (again, not etched in stone, I heard it). Has anyone else heard that, or know more information about that? IMO, if it is held in Chicago, it will be a dead tournament as well.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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I have heard that the B10 tourney will be held in Chicago (again, not etched in stone, I heard it). Has anyone else heard that, or know more information about that? IMO, if it is held in Chicago, it will be a dead tournament as well.

Better Chicago than De-twat.

I might actually go to Chicago.

Why wouldn't it be at the X though? I get the travelling and all that, but remember, these are Big 10 schools and alumni. Money is no object. We have money.

There would be far greater attendance at the X than the UC. They better not even be considering Allstate Arena.

 

[PenaltyBoxBeast]

Better Chicago than De-twat.

I might actually go to Chicago.

Why wouldn't it be at the X though? I get the travelling and all that, but remember, these are Big 10 schools and alumni. Money is no object. We have money.

There would be far greater attendance at the X than the UC. They better not even be considering Allstate Arena.

It won't be at the X. The WCHA has full intention of keeping their Tournament in St. Paul. I don't see either league wanting to share that venue.

 

[Biddco]

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Yeah, sorry for wanting an NCAA hockey program.

You should be. Thanks for ruining college hockey.

 

[bigmrg74]

Is that why the SEC wins the NC ever year? Have you seen their NC schedules of late, more importantly how many BCS games they actually play outside their own realm?

And ftr I am strongly against a BTHC.

The SEC cant win nc's in football. Just that big bowl game with the big crystal football trophy.

Would have helped a lot last night at the CCHA's if Miami fans had bothered to show up, along with a few more of the Walmart fans as well.

 

[uaafanblog]

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I would. i will NEVER cheer for Penn State. I would root for NoDak over Penn State. They are the school that brought this abortion of a conference on us. I already hate Wisconsin so I can't hate them any more for unleashing that fat bastard of an AD on us.

There is one much better reason to cheer against Penn State. The means by which they have funded their program is at the best amoral and the worst immoral. Terry Pegula made his money at the head of one company in many that are creating one of the future's worst environmental situations EvAh.

"Fracking Penn State" will be a well-deserved and appropriate phrase in reference to this program. Think UND fans got sick and tired of defending Ralphie? Penn State hockey fans better buckle up their seatbelts.


And if you haven't seen the whole film. Do.

 

[Red Cows]

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Both Minnesota and Wisconsin will want to play every team in minnesota if BTHC happens.
The new conference should convince nebraska and iowa to start hockey programs.
I would much prefer seeing a 8 team league than a 6 team league.

Everybody interested in this needs to watch very carefully whether the Huskers new arena about to be built in downtown Lincoln in the Haymarket has true ice making capabilities added to it. There is a ton of discourse going on around here on the topic. The ice making discussion starts on page 3 but the whole thread is worth a read:

http://www.mavpuck.com/mpboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8044&whichpage=1

I've said this before, and I'll say it again. UNO and UNL are part of the SAME university system. UNL is in the Big 10 now. If UNL is not, or, has no interest in D-1 hockey, as is supposedly the case, then it seems logical that the Big 10 might have some interest in adding UNO to their Big 10 hockey league, and, ONLY the hockey team. But, no other sports. It's a rather unique situation. This has also had some discussion in the news media here. I have yet to have anybody put forth a credible opinion to me as to why this could not happen, only that it won't because "they don't think so" or because they have some other axe to grind on the topic. Basically, the Big 10 could then easily add an additional conference member, albeit "Nebraska lite". Don't lose sight of the fact that by adding UNO, the conference would be adding another major metropolitan area to the league as well. Don't lose sight of the fact that dollars and cents are a big part of all of this as are television revenues. This fact, in and of itself, makes me think that Northwestern has to come into play here at some point. It just makes "cents".

I just don't think that the Big 10's plans, long term or, even near term, are for a 6 team league. It just doesn't work, IMHO, either from a competition perspective or a dollars and cents perspective.

 

[uaafanblog]

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...blah blah blah ... a 6 team league.

A six team league actually works quite well when the 6 teams are Big 10 schools.

 

[Patman]

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No, that isn't what I meant, but thanks for playing.

Yeah, and if it were to happen, how would it go down? You didn't think about that, did you? Great to think in high minded ideals while ignoring application.

BTW, dates to fill are dates to fill... they (B12) will take advantage of the western teams for sure... but so will we... maybe the B12 doesn't come to call for games against HEA, but those other teams need to fill games as well. Its all about economics and scarcity. Hockey East has an artificially scarce market of dates... so do all the leagues right now... but not for long. When the reminants of the WCHA/CCHA open their schedules they won't all be able to slot in the key players... of course they'll also schedule other western teams but what's to differentiate a trip to SCSU from a trip to Northeastern for Miami?

 

[Priceless]

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Yeah, and if it were to happen, how would it go down? You didn't think about that, did you? Great to think in high minded ideals while ignoring application.

BTW, dates to fill are dates to fill... they'll take advantage of the western teams for sure... but so will we... maybe the B10 doesn't come to call, but those other teams need to fill games as well. Its all about economics and scarcity. Hockey East has an artificially scarce market of dates... so do all the leagues right now... but not for long.

Funny you should ask

Eastern Hockey (30)

New England (8)
AIC
Connecticut
Lowell
Maine
Massachusetts
New Hampshire
Sacred Heart
Vermont

Hockey East (8)
BC
Bentley
BU
Holy Cross
Merrimack
Northeastern
Providence
Quinnipiac

Ivy (6)
Brown
Cornell
Dartmouth
Harvard
Princeton
Yale

ECAC (8)
Army
Clarkson
Colgate
Niagara
RIT
RPI
St Lawrence
Union


Western Hockey (28)

Central Hockey League (8)
Bowling Green
Canisius
Fairbanks
Huntsville
Mercyhurst
Miami
Notre Dame
Robert Morris

Great Lakes (8)
Bemidji State
Duluth
Lake Superior
Mankato
Michigan Tech
Northern Michigan
St Cloud
Western Michigan

WCHA (6)
Air Force
Anchorage
Colorado College
Denver
North Dakota
UNO

BTHC (6)
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Ohio State
Penn State
Wisconsin

I don't for a moment think this will happen, but it's an idea anyway.

The WCHA can expand to 8 teams if they want to keep two of the Minnesota schools.

Don't worry, I won't wait for an apology for you jumping to conclusions and denigrating me yet again.

 

[Bakunin]

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It's the other four Big10 teams that couldn't care less.

Minnesota will continue playing its old WCHA rivals. They will likely have a majority of these games being played at Mariucci, at least with some of those teams. With others, such as UND, there will probably be some sort of new tournament put together and played at the X. A tournament with UW, UND, MN, and some other random invitee each season would draw a lot of people. Any MN game there will draw 15,000+, and any UND game would draw a similar number. A UND-MN game there could very well fill the place to capacity (and wouldn't be a bad idea as a permanent site for an annual series between the two teams - though I don't know if UND would agree to that).

 

[uaafanblog]

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Western Hockey (28)

Central Hockey League (8)
Bowling Green
Canisius
Fairbanks
Huntsville
Mercyhurst
Miami
Notre Dame
Robert Morris

WCHA (6)
Air Force
Anchorage
Colorado College
Denver
North Dakota
UNO

I don't for a moment think this will happen, but it's an idea anyway.

Keeping UAA and UAF in separate conferences will not be part of any major realignment of conferences. I recognize you are saying such a thing won't happen anyway. But in any event, UAA and UAF won't allow that to happen again. They may stay in separate conferences as they exist now ... but any realignment along the lines suggested above will not include their separation.

Just sayin ...

 

[bronconick]

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words

Not gonna happen. They want a "only all-sports members can join" setup to continue to pressure Notre Dame football if the next round of football conference expansion goes to the 16 team football leagues that were discussed last summer. They're not going to throw that chip away for a satellite campus in a tertiary sport.

 

[Squarebanks]

My prediction is that either Notre Dame finally succumbs to B10 pressure in all sports, or we're going to see UN-Lincoln start D1 hockey in the near future. The B10 letting little 'ol UNO come play in their members-only playpen goes against almost every tenet the B10 has displayed in the past.

Perhaps a more likely scenario is the BTHC "allowing" UNO to schedule more games against B10 schools than it normally would, at least compared to the other "lesser" schools, in their eyes.

Not gonna happen. They want a "only all-sports members can join" setup to continue to pressure Notre Dame football if the next round of football conference expansion goes to the 16 team football leagues that were discussed last summer. They're not going to throw that chip away for a satellite campus in a tertiary sport.

 

[Larch]

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Everybody interested in this needs to watch very carefully whether the Huskers new arena about to be built in downtown Lincoln in the Haymarket has true ice making capabilities added to it. There is a ton of discourse going on around here on the topic. The ice making discussion starts on page 3 but the whole thread is worth a read:

http://www.mavpuck.com/mpboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8044&whichpage=1


I've said this before, and I'll say it again. UNO and UNL are part of the SAME university system. UNL is in the Big 10 now. If UNL is not, or, has no interest in D-1 hockey, as is supposedly the case, then it seems logical that the Big 10 might have some interest in adding UNO to their Big 10 hockey league, and, ONLY the hockey team. But, no other sports. It's a rather unique situation. This has also had some discussion in the news media here. I have yet to have anybody put forth a credible opinion to me as to why this could not happen, only that it won't because "they don't think so" or because they have some other axe to grind on the topic. Basically, the Big 10 could then easily add an additional conference member, albeit "Nebraska lite". Don't lose sight of the fact that by adding UNO, the conference would be adding another major metropolitan area to the league as well. Don't lose sight of the fact that dollars and cents are a big part of all of this as are television revenues. This fact, in and of itself, makes me think that Northwestern has to come into play here at some point. It just makes "cents".

I just don't think that the Big 10's plans, long term or, even near term, are for a 6 team league. It just doesn't work, IMHO, either from a competition perspective or a dollars and cents perspective.

Well if we're going to start baseless thoughts that have no realm of possibility, I think MN and maybe Wisconsin who will have voting rights would much rather have the University of Minnesota - Duluth. I think you're reaching just a bit there, you've said nobody can give you a credible reason why not, you haven't given any reason credible reason as to why. Just being Nebraska lite will do nothing for the BTHC.

All that said, I hate the idea of the BTHC. I don't fault Penn State for wanting a hockey team, but they easily could've had started a Great Lakes Hockey Conference and been the big boys and had a chance to do something in the post season in the first 10 years and built their own rivalries and continued the unique history of college hockey where the big colleges and small colleges are on par and have built some great rivalries.

 

[4four4]

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Well if we're going to start baseless thoughts that have no realm of possibility, I think MN and maybe Wisconsin who will have voting rights would much rather have the University of Minnesota - Duluth. I think you're reaching just a bit there, you've said nobody can give you a credible reason why not, you haven't given any reason credible reason as to why. Just being Nebraska lite will do nothing for the BTHC.

All that said, I hate the idea of the BTHC. I don't fault Penn State for wanting a hockey team, but they easily could've had started a Great Lakes Hockey Conference and been the big boys and had a chance to do something in the post season in the first 10 years and built their own rivalries and continued the unique history of college hockey where the big colleges and small colleges are on par and have built some great rivalries.

Great Lakes Hockey Conference has a ring to it. Maybe the following great lakes schools should start up a conference like MN, WI, MSU, UM, PSU, and OSU.

 

[Star2City]

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Another Big Ten quality university may be added to the WCHA?

http://www.cknw.com/Channels/Reg/SportsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1376465

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/OtherSports/2011/03/09/17552841.html

A DII school according to NCAA bylaws should be able to play up in hockey.

One issue that remains unresolved is where the UBC hockey teams would play. Hockey is only available in Division one and Division three. International schools are not approved for participation in Division one, while Division three operates on small budgets and is based in the US Northeast. The GNAC does not offer hockey.

Imagine a WCHA hockey night on Canadian cable. UBC's entrance into the college hockey world could really open up possibilities in the West, not just in Canada (Alberta, Calgary), but for possibly even Pac10 schools.

 

[sbkbghockey]

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Everybody interested in this needs to watch very carefully whether the Huskers new arena about to be built in downtown Lincoln in the Haymarket has true ice making capabilities added to it. There is a ton of discourse going on around here on the topic. The ice making discussion starts on page 3 but the whole thread is worth a read:

http://www.mavpuck.com/mpboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8044&whichpage=1

I've said this before, and I'll say it again. UNO and UNL are part of the SAME university system. UNL is in the Big 10 now. If UNL is not, or, has no interest in D-1 hockey, as is supposedly the case, then it seems logical that the Big 10 might have some interest in adding UNO to their Big 10 hockey league, and, ONLY the hockey team. But, no other sports. It's a rather unique situation. This has also had some discussion in the news media here. I have yet to have anybody put forth a credible opinion to me as to why this could not happen, only that it won't because "they don't think so" or because they have some other axe to grind on the topic. Basically, the Big 10 could then easily add an additional conference member, albeit "Nebraska lite". Don't lose sight of the fact that by adding UNO, the conference would be adding another major metropolitan area to the league as well. Don't lose sight of the fact that dollars and cents are a big part of all of this as are television revenues. This fact, in and of itself, makes me think that Northwestern has to come into play here at some point. It just makes "cents".

I just don't think that the Big 10's plans, long term or, even near term, are for a 6 team league. It just doesn't work, IMHO, either from a competition perspective or a dollars and cents perspective.

Is the new arena going to host Lincoln Stars games? If so that's why it will have ice making capabilities. UNL has a better chance of joining the Big Ten hockey than UNO. They're part of the same university system but doesn't make them the same university. Adding UNO to the Big Ten Hockey Conference is like adding Michigan-Dearborn and/or Penn State-Berks.

The most likely candidate to be added into the BTHC is Notre Dame, The Big Ten may use the hockey conference to try to get Notre Dame to become a member in all sports.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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With others, such as UND, there will probably be some sort of new tournament put together and played at the X. A tournament with UW, UND, MN, and some other random invitee each season would draw a lot of people. Any MN game there will draw 15,000+, and any UND game would draw a similar number. A UND-MN game there could very well fill the place to capacity (and wouldn't be a bad idea as a permanent site for an annual series between the two teams - though I don't know if UND would agree to that).

The FS23 tournament of champions

I could see an annual UND-MN series at the X. If they sold out the place they could split the proceeds and probably get pretty close to what they would get if they hosted the series at the home of each school. If they did something like that, I'd like to see them have each school get the same amount of available seats to purchase. It would be cool to have a Rose Bowl type look, half green half maroon.

 

[Squarebanks]

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No way the WCHA lets a start-up UBC program in without opening the door to either UAF, Air Force, or Miami. If the WCHA wanted a 11-team conference UNO would still be in the CCHA.

If (and it's a pretty big "if", IMO) UBC came to Division 1 hockey, the CCHA would be a likelier bet, if only because that conference is going to be borderline desperate to stay relavant. And truthfully, the WCHA is so mindful of its "powerhouse" status that I doubt they would want a start-up to dilute their conference.

Another Big Ten quality university may be added to the WCHA?

http://www.cknw.com/Channels/Reg/SportsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1376465

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/OtherSports/2011/03/09/17552841.html

A DII school according to NCAA bylaws should be able to play up in hockey.



Imagine a WCHA hockey night on Canadian cable. UBC's entrance into the college hockey world could really open up possibilities in the West, not just in Canada (Alberta, Calgary), but for possibly even Pac10 schools.