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Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus
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They're all on all the time. More often than not it's the exact same thing that is on the main channel.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus
Everyone better watchout when North Dakota and Duluth combine forces!!!
Everyone better watchout when North Dakota and Duluth combine forces!!!
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In the digital world, if multiple channels are showing the same feed, it's still one allocation. Your cable company is just pointing the alternates to the main feed. DirecTV has them dark if not being used.
In the digital world, if multiple channels are showing the same feed, it's still one allocation. Your cable company is just pointing the alternates to the main feed. DirecTV has them dark if not being used.
MinnesotaNorthStar
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Ah, I gotcha. Makes sense.
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They would be giving up an autobid. Plus they would have a non-existent non-conference schedule, or they wouldn't be able to play everyone else in the conference. The answer is to go smaller, not larger, but I doubt the conferences will do that.
They would be giving up an autobid. Plus they would have a non-existent non-conference schedule, or they wouldn't be able to play everyone else in the conference. The answer is to go smaller, not larger, but I doubt the conferences will do that.
scsutommyboy
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I heard after the coaches meeting this year the BTHC is going to be officially announced. I also heard PSU's arena is ahead of schedule a so it can happen a year earlier. Has anybody else heard this or is my source wacked?
I heard after the coaches meeting this year the BTHC is going to be officially announced. I also heard PSU's arena is ahead of schedule a so it can happen a year earlier. Has anybody else heard this or is my source wacked?
aparch
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Your source must read USCHO and then wait a week before telling you.
That's what's re-kicked this sh**storm up again, the announcement that PSU's arena is ahead of schedule, and a rumored Big10 conference for this upcoming Monday. Big10 meetings were apparently a few weeks ago, and one of the topics was the BTHC.
I'm a little surprised that more hasn't leaked from the B10 meetings.
Your source must read USCHO and then wait a week before telling you.
That's what's re-kicked this sh**storm up again, the announcement that PSU's arena is ahead of schedule, and a rumored Big10 conference for this upcoming Monday. Big10 meetings were apparently a few weeks ago, and one of the topics was the BTHC.
I'm a little surprised that more hasn't leaked from the B10 meetings.
aparch
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Not including tournaments, showcases, Hall of Fame games, or the NCAA's... here's a list of former WCHA schools that Michigan has played in a straight up non-conference series since leaving for the 81-82 season.
(Just a reminder, here were the 80-81 teams before four teams (struck-through) bailed on the WCHA: Colorado College, Denver, Minnesota, <strike>Michigan, Michigan State, Michigan Tech,</strike> Minnesota-Duluth, North Dakota, <strike>Notre Dame,</strike> Wisconsin)
Colorado College: Twice
10/21/1994 in Ann Arbor
10/22/1994 in Ann Arbor
Denver: ZERO
Minnesota: Four
12/5/1986 in Minneapolis
12/6/1986 in Minneapolis
11/8/1991 in Ann Arbor
11/9/1991 in Ann Arbor
Minnesota Duluth: ZERO
North Dakota: ZERO
Wisconsin: Once
2/6/2010 in Madison (Camp Randall game)
Here's one for ya, after Michigan Tech rejoined the WCHA in 1984-85, guess how many series Michigan has played with them (Not including showcases, GLI, tourney's, etc.).
Michigan Tech: ZERO
That's right. The Michigan Wolverines have not played a series against the Michigan Tech Huskies since Ma Bell was broken up.
And you people really think that the Big10 will willingly schedule the teams they're abandoning?
Not including tournaments, showcases, Hall of Fame games, or the NCAA's... here's a list of former WCHA schools that Michigan has played in a straight up non-conference series since leaving for the 81-82 season.
(Just a reminder, here were the 80-81 teams before four teams (struck-through) bailed on the WCHA: Colorado College, Denver, Minnesota, <strike>Michigan, Michigan State, Michigan Tech,</strike> Minnesota-Duluth, North Dakota, <strike>Notre Dame,</strike> Wisconsin)
Colorado College: Twice
10/21/1994 in Ann Arbor
10/22/1994 in Ann Arbor
Denver: ZERO
Minnesota: Four
12/5/1986 in Minneapolis
12/6/1986 in Minneapolis
11/8/1991 in Ann Arbor
11/9/1991 in Ann Arbor
Minnesota Duluth: ZERO
North Dakota: ZERO
Wisconsin: Once
2/6/2010 in Madison (Camp Randall game)
Here's one for ya, after Michigan Tech rejoined the WCHA in 1984-85, guess how many series Michigan has played with them (Not including showcases, GLI, tourney's, etc.).
Michigan Tech: ZERO
That's right. The Michigan Wolverines have not played a series against the Michigan Tech Huskies since Ma Bell was broken up.
And you people really think that the Big10 will willingly schedule the teams they're abandoning?
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Call it the Midwest Ice Box Tourney.
Completely agreed about the reasonings behind it. I just think Minnesota will want the Sioux for a 2 for 1 (maybe even 3 for 1), and there is no way North Dakota will accept that.
I still like my Western Beanpot idea, but I think most people know that by now
Call it the Midwest Ice Box Tourney.
Fighting Sioux 23
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FWIW, Michigan plays Minnesota and Wisconsin every year in the Showcase, and Tech every third year (?) at least in the GLI. I don't blame them for not wanting to schedule additional non-conference series with those schools. As for UND, CC, Duluth and DU, that's just pathetic.
FWIW, Michigan plays Minnesota and Wisconsin every year in the Showcase, and Tech every third year (?) at least in the GLI. I don't blame them for not wanting to schedule additional non-conference series with those schools. As for UND, CC, Duluth and DU, that's just pathetic.
Nevergoodenough
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What will happen, is that the teams will do the same thing that every other team does, and that is to try to anticipate the PWR rankings and teams that will make a difference. Over the long run, will playing MTU be better than maybe getting games with Maine or BC? Some teams are more prone for that than others, but for the most part it's going to be trying to better their own chances for the NCAAs. Not a lot different that leaving UAH out there unprotected, did BSU go out of their way to take care of them, or did they take full advantage of getting into the WCHA? SCSU might get some games with MN, but WI won't see the advanage but playing ND or Miami will have more of an attraction.
The look for college hockey will change, but that doesn't mean will be bad. Maybe the changes will help the sport, but there may be some wailing and nashing of teeth for a bit.
What will happen, is that the teams will do the same thing that every other team does, and that is to try to anticipate the PWR rankings and teams that will make a difference. Over the long run, will playing MTU be better than maybe getting games with Maine or BC? Some teams are more prone for that than others, but for the most part it's going to be trying to better their own chances for the NCAAs. Not a lot different that leaving UAH out there unprotected, did BSU go out of their way to take care of them, or did they take full advantage of getting into the WCHA? SCSU might get some games with MN, but WI won't see the advanage but playing ND or Miami will have more of an attraction.
The look for college hockey will change, but that doesn't mean will be bad. Maybe the changes will help the sport, but there may be some wailing and nashing of teeth for a bit.
aparch
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You're telling me that scheduling St. Lawrence as an NC series in 2000-01 was of higher importance than trying to get Denver or NoDak? Merrimack was SUCH a power in 2002-03 that the 9-2 combined drubbing by Michigan gave them added oomph in the PWR over other available opponents. And Quinnipiac was such a help to their PWR in 2005-06.
I understand that Michigan/Michigan State/Wisconsin/Minnesota all want to partake in their own showcase every year which eats up two NC's. And then most of these schools have their own tournament in an effort to woo in shi**y teams so they can dominate them, eating up another pair of NC games.
But seriously. It's going to be (rumored) 20 conference games between themselves, and picking and choosing the "best" to round out the schedule.
Michigan's first Big10 schedule will be like this:
4 vs Michigan State, 4 vs Minnesota, 4 vs Wisconsin, 4 vs tOhio State, 4 vs Penn State
2 vs Notre Dame (Home and Home), 2 vs Miami (Home and Home), 2 vs Western Michigan (Home and Home)
2 at GLI Tourney, 2 at some new "Michigan Tourney"
2 vs [insert shi**y AHA/EZAC school], 2 vs [throw a dart, maybe some small/mid-size school will get lucky]
Big 10 teams lose on the paid flights to Alaska by leaving their conferences, and without the free trip, you'll never see Michigan or Michigan State north of the 49th parallel. Thus, they'll only earn exemptions to go over the 34 game limit by hall of fame games or the Icebreaker.
*edit* I'm actually excited that NMU and Wisconsin have been able to work out agreements ahead of this to play each other, what bothers me is that it continually takes NMU making concessions to be a "home" team in Green Bay to make it happen though.
You're telling me that scheduling St. Lawrence as an NC series in 2000-01 was of higher importance than trying to get Denver or NoDak? Merrimack was SUCH a power in 2002-03 that the 9-2 combined drubbing by Michigan gave them added oomph in the PWR over other available opponents. And Quinnipiac was such a help to their PWR in 2005-06.
I understand that Michigan/Michigan State/Wisconsin/Minnesota all want to partake in their own showcase every year which eats up two NC's. And then most of these schools have their own tournament in an effort to woo in shi**y teams so they can dominate them, eating up another pair of NC games.
But seriously. It's going to be (rumored) 20 conference games between themselves, and picking and choosing the "best" to round out the schedule.
Michigan's first Big10 schedule will be like this:
4 vs Michigan State, 4 vs Minnesota, 4 vs Wisconsin, 4 vs tOhio State, 4 vs Penn State
2 vs Notre Dame (Home and Home), 2 vs Miami (Home and Home), 2 vs Western Michigan (Home and Home)
2 at GLI Tourney, 2 at some new "Michigan Tourney"
2 vs [insert shi**y AHA/EZAC school], 2 vs [throw a dart, maybe some small/mid-size school will get lucky]
Big 10 teams lose on the paid flights to Alaska by leaving their conferences, and without the free trip, you'll never see Michigan or Michigan State north of the 49th parallel. Thus, they'll only earn exemptions to go over the 34 game limit by hall of fame games or the Icebreaker.
*edit* I'm actually excited that NMU and Wisconsin have been able to work out agreements ahead of this to play each other, what bothers me is that it continually takes NMU making concessions to be a "home" team in Green Bay to make it happen though.
aparch
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Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus
Oh, and for giggles, here's Michigan State's former WCHA NC series:
Colorado College: Twice
12-31-96 in East Lansing
10-9-99 in Colorado Springs
Denver: ZERO
Minnesota: ZERO
Minnesota Duluth: ZERO
North Dakota: Once
10-13-07 in East Lansing
Wisconsin: ZERO
Michigan Tech (since 84-85): ZERO
Oh, and for giggles, here's Michigan State's former WCHA NC series:
Colorado College: Twice
12-31-96 in East Lansing
10-9-99 in Colorado Springs
Denver: ZERO
Minnesota: ZERO
Minnesota Duluth: ZERO
North Dakota: Once
10-13-07 in East Lansing
Wisconsin: ZERO
Michigan Tech (since 84-85): ZERO
Nevergoodenough
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What I'm saying is that teams, for the most part, aren't going to schedule patsy games if they can avoid it. You seem to spell this out as if MI and MSU are the bad guys here. If what I've understood is correct, WI is the biggest proponent of the B10 conference.
Also, when looking at the scheduling as you have, is the lack of games with MI and MSU because they didn't want to play any of the WCHA teams, or the other way around? Just sayin'
What I'm saying is that teams, for the most part, aren't going to schedule patsy games if they can avoid it. You seem to spell this out as if MI and MSU are the bad guys here. If what I've understood is correct, WI is the biggest proponent of the B10 conference.
Also, when looking at the scheduling as you have, is the lack of games with MI and MSU because they didn't want to play any of the WCHA teams, or the other way around? Just sayin'
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Makes perfect sense that Michigan and Michigan State wouldn't schedule WCHA teams willingly. It's a page straight from the Big 10 playbook. Don't ever schedule a non-conference game against a team you don't know for sure you can beat. And if you must, make it at home. Typical Big 10... that's why they're a weaker conference in football. It's also why North Dakota will never play any of them again after the BTHC (Alabama though, they'll get scheduled). Minnesota is the only one who might go against the grain... they've never been a big enough football/basketball school, I don't think, to be corrupted by the Big 10 arrogance. I wonder if the Michigan/Ohio/PA schools will still be as arrogant when the last job left finally leaves their states, along with the last person with the ability to live anyplace else.
Makes perfect sense that Michigan and Michigan State wouldn't schedule WCHA teams willingly. It's a page straight from the Big 10 playbook. Don't ever schedule a non-conference game against a team you don't know for sure you can beat. And if you must, make it at home. Typical Big 10... that's why they're a weaker conference in football. It's also why North Dakota will never play any of them again after the BTHC (Alabama though, they'll get scheduled). Minnesota is the only one who might go against the grain... they've never been a big enough football/basketball school, I don't think, to be corrupted by the Big 10 arrogance. I wonder if the Michigan/Ohio/PA schools will still be as arrogant when the last job left finally leaves their states, along with the last person with the ability to live anyplace else.
aparch
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They've had 30 years to figure that out between themselves.
They've had 30 years to figure that out between themselves.
aparch
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I get the feeling that tOSU is the hockey bastard of the Big10. They'll be the ones willing to fill out the schedule for NMU, LSSU, hell, even Michigan Tech. And I get the feeling that Penn State will be more than willing to play the "mid-major" schools just to prevent any ill will.
It's the other four Big10 teams that couldn't care less.
I get the feeling that tOSU is the hockey bastard of the Big10. They'll be the ones willing to fill out the schedule for NMU, LSSU, hell, even Michigan Tech. And I get the feeling that Penn State will be more than willing to play the "mid-major" schools just to prevent any ill will.
It's the other four Big10 teams that couldn't care less.
Fighting Sioux 23
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I think there will be a lot of pressure for Minnesota to keep playing the in-state schools. They'll be able to get favorable scheduling contracts with them as well, and I think we'll see 2 or 3 for 1s. There could always be home/home series as well with Mankato and SCSU. Perhaps something like 2 years @ Minnesota, 1 year @ SCSU, 1 year home/home. That way, SCSU/Mankato could still get a Minnesota game/series every other year.
I think there will be a lot of pressure for Minnesota to keep playing the in-state schools. They'll be able to get favorable scheduling contracts with them as well, and I think we'll see 2 or 3 for 1s. There could always be home/home series as well with Mankato and SCSU. Perhaps something like 2 years @ Minnesota, 1 year @ SCSU, 1 year home/home. That way, SCSU/Mankato could still get a Minnesota game/series every other year.
scsutommyboy
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the guy who told me doesn't post on here. Of course who he got it from probably does.
If Iwould ahve read abck a few pages I guess I could have found this out. Of course it was easier having you tell me.
Your source must read USCHO and then wait a week before telling you.
That's what's re-kicked this sh**storm up again, the announcement that PSU's arena is ahead of schedule, and a rumored Big10 conference for this upcoming Monday. Big10 meetings were apparently a few weeks ago, and one of the topics was the BTHC.
I'm a little surprised that more hasn't leaked from the B10 meetings.
the guy who told me doesn't post on here. Of course who he got it from probably does.
If Iwould ahve read abck a few pages I guess I could have found this out. Of course it was easier having you tell me.Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus
Is Miami close enough to do a home and home in one weekend? Other than that, I agree completely.
Is Miami close enough to do a home and home in one weekend? Other than that, I agree completely.
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