Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

This is the first real evidence I have seen that we're actually planning for what happens when they refuse to accept reality.

Anything is possible, although that scenario where they tell the West Coast states to threaten secession was hilarious and will never happen.

 

[Handyman]

Yeah I found that article to be half pretty good and half a trixie fever dream. About what I expect from The Daily Beast...or as it seems to be these days "TPM on Energy Drinks".

Of course we live in an era where the only the GOP has as a platform is that if you elect Joe Biden the country will be as bad as it is right now...so why should the media rhetoric be any smarter? That is why Maggie Haberman and the NY Times are now sourcing and rting Breitbart.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

I think Maggie knows exactly what she's doing and just enjoys trolling the Twitter left at this point.

 

[SJHovey]

Yeah I found that article to be half pretty good and half a trixie fever dream. About what I expect from The Daily Beast...or as it seems to be these days "TPM on Energy Drinks".

Of course we live in an era where the only the GOP has as a platform is that if you elect Joe Biden the country will be as bad as it is right now...so why should the media rhetoric be any smarter? That is why Maggie Haberman and the NY Times are now sourcing and rting Breitbart.

The thing about Trump is, if you want him to say mean things about someone, all you have to do is accuse him of saying mean things about that person, or that group. His response always follows the same trajectory. First he denies, claiming he loves them and they love him. Then, when his denial doesn't get any traction, he attacks them, or those around them.

 

[Handyman]

Yeah...for a con man he is super easy to con. The problem is stupid people think he is doing it on purpose because they would fall for it too ;-)

 

[Handyman]

I think Maggie knows exactly what she's doing and just enjoys trolling the Twitter left at this point.

Nah if that were the case she would have done it different. She spent most of the morning tweeting and rting dozens of stories to try and hide it. If she was trolling she would have left it and let it sit.

My guess is she never even read the story, just knows the writer (or someone quoted in it) and pimped it like she always does.

 

[Kepler]

Yeah I found that article to be half pretty good and half a trixie fever dream. About what I expect from The Daily Beast...or as it seems to be these days "TPM on Energy Drinks".

First, if that's original you should be legitimately proud -- it's true to the bone.

Second, I want them to be reaching. I want them to at least be considering stuff that's beyond the typical institutional remedies, because the Nazis sure as sh-t are.

If they are coming up with outlandish crap that means they are at least finally outside their little bubble. They are playing an opponent who will not just kick over the board but take the opponent's children hostage. I am so sick of the Dems bringing a hot dish to a gun fight.

 

[Kepler]

Anything is possible, although that scenario where they tell the West Coast states to threaten secession was hilarious and will never happen.

My guess is 97% of the stuff was dry legal argumentation so the reporter highlighted the wild stuff to keep THE KEEEDS' interest.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

My guess is 97% of the stuff was dry legal argumentation so the reporter highlighted the wild stuff to keep THE KEEEDS' interest.

Except that Infowars or some other nutball site doxxing the electors in the event of a close result is plausible.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Except that Infowars or some other nutball site doxxing the electors in the event of a close result is plausible.

And the West Coast secession is a least rooted in plausiblity. It definitely wouldn’t go as they say but I could see serious movement towards if things go to s-.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

And the West Coast secession is a least rooted in plausiblity. It definitely wouldn’t go as they say but I could see serious movement towards if things go to s-.

5% of the population starting to think it's a good idea instead of the current <1% would not constitute a 'serious movement'. Not serious enough, at any rate.

 

[Kepler]

Except that Infowars or some other nutball site doxxing the electors in the event of a close result is plausible.

It's probable. Any brown shirt stuff the Nazis can use is not just likely but a practical certainty.

We are dealing with actual Nazis. People still haven't wrapped their civilized minds around that. The GOP is now a white nationalist fascist cult of personality. They are no longer a political party and their Members are no longer politicians. They are a movement and their Members are cultists.

They use laws when it is useful and ignore them when it is useful. They are no longer part of the American social contract, they are a revolutionary vanguard.

 

[Handyman]

Infowars wont do it...the GOP themselves will do it. They were doxxing police brutality protesters...

 

[Jimjamesak]

5% of the population starting to think it's a good idea instead of the current <1% would not constitute a 'serious movement'. Not serious enough, at any rate.

It’s a little a more than that. There’s always been a Cascadia Independence undercurrent, heck that’s part of what founded the Cascadia Cup in MLS. It may be small now but, like I said, if things go to s- in November I could see it growing.

(Now the whole “we’ll secede if you don’t abolish the EC and admit PR and DC” thing is pretty far fetched)

 

[Kepler]

Seceding doesn't help anyway. The whole point, as Lincoln said, is there is no enemy territory, there are only enemies on our territory. The Nazis aren't Americans, they are a temporary fungal infection. America is a set of ideas embodied in the Declaration and the Constitution. It is not an ethnostate.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Seceding doesn't help anyway. The whole point, as Lincoln said, is there is no enemy territory, there are only enemies on our territory. The Nazis aren't Americans, they are a temporary fungal infection. America is a set of ideas embodied in the Declaration and the Constitution. It is not an ethnostate.

You may believe the “not real Americans” schtick but I certainly don’t. They are a minority but they’re large enough and hold enough power in enough territory that secession may well be the only solution. We’re not at that point yet but we’re a lot closer than some care to admit.

 

[Kepler]

You may believe the “not real Americans” schtick but I certainly don’t. They are a minority but they’re large enough and hold enough power in enough territory that secession may well be the only solution. We’re not at that point yet but we’re a lot closer than some care to admit.

It has nothing to do with their numbers. They're cancer cells. There could be twelve or 12 million, they are still cancer cells.

 

[Jimjamesak]

It has nothing to do with their numbers. They're cancer cells. There could be twelve or 12 million, they are still cancer cells.

Numbers in concentration in certain areas is the reason they’re in power. It has everything to do with numbers.

 

[Kepler]

Numbers in concentration in certain areas is the reason they’re in power. It has everything to do with numbers.

Of course they're in power. The Confederates were also in power. We're saying different things. I'm saying that they are an anti-American growth, that where they rule that rule is illegitimate because it violates the principles that are America.

The right believes that a fascist regime is America as long as it is white and Christian. The whole point of America is we could be 0% white and 100% Jainist and as long as we operated under our founding principles this would still be America.

America is an idea, not a population. The French are France and the Japanese are Japan no matter what their philosophy is. We are only American insofar as we: hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Of course they're in power. The Confederates were also in power. We're saying different things. I'm saying that they are an anti-American growth, that where they rule that rule is illegitimate because it violates the principles that are America.

The right believes that a fascist regime is America as long as it is white and Christian. The whole point of America is we could be 0% white and 100% Jainist and as long as we operated under our founding principles this would still be America.

America is an idea, not a population. The French are France and the Japanese are Japan no matter what their philosophy is. We are only American insofar as we: hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Yeah, I get what your saying and I’m calling BS. Racism is as American as apple pie, and so is denying rights, voter suppression, and abusing the government for your own personal gain. You say they’re a cancer, I say they’re organs functioning as intended. If anything the New Deal era was a cancer and the current era is a correction back to normal. Our country is designed to be this way, otherwise we wouldn’t be in this situation in the first place.