PSUChamps2001
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Re: Best Crowd
He's dealt with me numerous times, I think he will be ready...
He's dealt with me numerous times, I think he will be ready...
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Best Crowd
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Re: Best Crowd
Along that line the recent SNL skit about Tiger Woods was panned by some as being insensitive to domestic abuse. Christ can't we laugh anymore. Where were these guardians when the Three Stooges were a daily feed on kids channels back in the 50's? (Yeah, I'm that old and I loved the shows!)
Along that line the recent SNL skit about Tiger Woods was panned by some as being insensitive to domestic abuse. Christ can't we laugh anymore. Where were these guardians when the Three Stooges were a daily feed on kids channels back in the 50's? (Yeah, I'm that old and I loved the shows!)
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Re: Best Crowd
You want to be sick, you should look at the NYS prison system. All these "rights" that liberal judges say murders, rapist, and pedophiles are entitled to. Instead of parenting they want the government to tell us how to raise kids.
You want to be sick, you should look at the NYS prison system. All these "rights" that liberal judges say murders, rapist, and pedophiles are entitled to. Instead of parenting they want the government to tell us how to raise kids.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: Best Crowd
RIT, Harvard, Ohio State, and St. Lawrence too...
Utica and Oswego beat all four of those D1 programs. Not too shabby. Especially with Ohio State.
One DIII program that looks like its attendance is down this year that normally does pretty strong is Colby...Don't they usually average at or near 1000 fans per game every year? They are down in the 500's this year.
Also, Brockport...yes BROCKPORT is sixth this year averaging 1375 per game
Quite impressive considering just two years ago Brockport was getting 200 maybe 300 to most games. I guess their blip of success last year has gotten word around campus or something because I was shocked when I saw that attendance number for them.
RIT, Harvard, Ohio State, and St. Lawrence too...
Utica and Oswego beat all four of those D1 programs. Not too shabby. Especially with Ohio State.
One DIII program that looks like its attendance is down this year that normally does pretty strong is Colby...Don't they usually average at or near 1000 fans per game every year? They are down in the 500's this year.
Also, Brockport...yes BROCKPORT is sixth this year averaging 1375 per game
Quite impressive considering just two years ago Brockport was getting 200 maybe 300 to most games. I guess their blip of success last year has gotten word around campus or something because I was shocked when I saw that attendance number for them.
nysportsfan29
Repping The 'Sweeg in JC
Re: Best Crowd
I told Little Romes to start going to games. Perhaps she started listening (doubtful).
Also, Brockport...yes BROCKPORT is sixth this year averaging 1375 per game
Quite impressive considering just two years ago Brockport was getting 200 maybe 300 to most games. I guess their blip of success last year has gotten word around campus or something because I was shocked when I saw that attendance number for them.
I told Little Romes to start going to games. Perhaps she started listening (doubtful).
SB in the 'Seo
How 'bout a Fresca?
Re: Best Crowd
I'm not sure how this thread turned political. As NUProf said, the reason for no flags is money. Oswego wasn't willing to pay whatever additional charge the insurance company was going to slap on them for allowing flags. Why do you think the general public can't go into the capital building in DC any more for tours? Because after 9/11 the cost of insuring said tours would be astronomical. It has nothing to do with being a conservative or a liberal, strictly a fiscal decision. I don't see what noisemakers has to do with political leanings either. I could just as easily see a conservative or a liberal saying they don't want noisemakers in the stands. Tiger Woods and pedophiles/rapist/murders were kind of out of the blue, but in both cases I agree. Tiger - sketch wasn't bad at all. It should not be considered offensive by anyone (well maybe one person, Tiger Woods.) Criminals - Yep, judicial system is broke.
As far as the "Best Crowd," I appreciate the positive mentions Geneseo has gotten. The crowds are definitely large, loud, and the pep band is great too. I would contend though that 90% about what was said about Oswego can be said about Geneseo. For example: people just there to be seen, people just tagging along with friends, people who know nothing about hockey (and often sports in general), people arriving late, etc. The Ira crowd does sustain noise better throughout the game compared to the newer rinks. You really can hear a pin drop at the CC until Oswego scores and it does get deafening. The shirtless fans at Geneseo are a nice touch as well. At the Mo'ville game this year there was apparently enough people to spell "GENESEO STATE KNIGHTS."
I feel like I got the best day to go to Fredonia, Potsdam, and Brockport last year.
Brockport - rivalry game, giving out free T-shirts, Geneseo's pep band came which kind of ratcheted things up a notch, team was playing well
Fredonia - rivalry game, Geneseo's pep band (again), senior day, last game
Potsdam - it was the "Bear Pride" weekend
So I would probably overrate these 3 schools' crowds, but I thought they were all great.
I thought Plattsburgh and the new rink was great despite what others have said. The only thing that hurts Platty is the low student support.
The Aud at Utica is a cool barn and drew about 2800-2900 for a winter break game which is awesome. Knowledgeable hockey fans that definitely create a home ice advantage.
Gun to my head, I'd probably pick Geneseo's crowd as best crowd (of the crowd's I know) despite their flaws. I weigh student support pretty heavy so that probably tips them over Plattsburgh. Utica is in the running as well, but I would need to see a non-break game.
We can all agree though that Cortland is the worst. "Geneseo scores and all 30 fans are stunned" is the leader in the clubhouse for radio line of the year.
I'm not sure how this thread turned political. As NUProf said, the reason for no flags is money. Oswego wasn't willing to pay whatever additional charge the insurance company was going to slap on them for allowing flags. Why do you think the general public can't go into the capital building in DC any more for tours? Because after 9/11 the cost of insuring said tours would be astronomical. It has nothing to do with being a conservative or a liberal, strictly a fiscal decision. I don't see what noisemakers has to do with political leanings either. I could just as easily see a conservative or a liberal saying they don't want noisemakers in the stands. Tiger Woods and pedophiles/rapist/murders were kind of out of the blue, but in both cases I agree. Tiger - sketch wasn't bad at all. It should not be considered offensive by anyone (well maybe one person, Tiger Woods.) Criminals - Yep, judicial system is broke.
As far as the "Best Crowd," I appreciate the positive mentions Geneseo has gotten. The crowds are definitely large, loud, and the pep band is great too. I would contend though that 90% about what was said about Oswego can be said about Geneseo. For example: people just there to be seen, people just tagging along with friends, people who know nothing about hockey (and often sports in general), people arriving late, etc. The Ira crowd does sustain noise better throughout the game compared to the newer rinks. You really can hear a pin drop at the CC until Oswego scores and it does get deafening. The shirtless fans at Geneseo are a nice touch as well. At the Mo'ville game this year there was apparently enough people to spell "GENESEO STATE KNIGHTS."
I feel like I got the best day to go to Fredonia, Potsdam, and Brockport last year.
Brockport - rivalry game, giving out free T-shirts, Geneseo's pep band came which kind of ratcheted things up a notch, team was playing well
Fredonia - rivalry game, Geneseo's pep band (again), senior day, last game
Potsdam - it was the "Bear Pride" weekend
So I would probably overrate these 3 schools' crowds, but I thought they were all great.
I thought Plattsburgh and the new rink was great despite what others have said. The only thing that hurts Platty is the low student support.
The Aud at Utica is a cool barn and drew about 2800-2900 for a winter break game which is awesome. Knowledgeable hockey fans that definitely create a home ice advantage.
Gun to my head, I'd probably pick Geneseo's crowd as best crowd (of the crowd's I know) despite their flaws. I weigh student support pretty heavy so that probably tips them over Plattsburgh. Utica is in the running as well, but I would need to see a non-break game.
We can all agree though that Cortland is the worst. "Geneseo scores and all 30 fans are stunned" is the leader in the clubhouse for radio line of the year.
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AGPennypacker
Im a wealthy American Industrialist
Re: Best Crowd
Just wondering by how much (not if) and which teams inflate their attendance #'s. I think it's safe to say overinflated attendance can help recruit players since it adds to the appeal of the program and is usually the sign of a strong and competitive program.
Also, I wonder if some teams inflate their attendance numbers simply to improve their standings with their respective administrations/athletic departments. It's no secret that sports teams compete/fight for funding. I'd be willing to bet a nickel that the coaches at schools like Oswego/Platty/Geneseo/Utica have more pull when it comes to getting funding than other sports that don't bring in as much recognition or revenue. I know they don't earn money for the school, but at least may not run at as much of a deficit.
Just wondering by how much (not if) and which teams inflate their attendance #'s. I think it's safe to say overinflated attendance can help recruit players since it adds to the appeal of the program and is usually the sign of a strong and competitive program.
Also, I wonder if some teams inflate their attendance numbers simply to improve their standings with their respective administrations/athletic departments. It's no secret that sports teams compete/fight for funding. I'd be willing to bet a nickel that the coaches at schools like Oswego/Platty/Geneseo/Utica have more pull when it comes to getting funding than other sports that don't bring in as much recognition or revenue. I know they don't earn money for the school, but at least may not run at as much of a deficit.
Thatcanuck
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Ahh, it's good to see the hard work paying off as for the 'Port's attendance. There's a group of 5 guys at Brockport who make the effort to go to every game with our horns and drum (regardless of if we can actually use them anywhere), and market like CRAZY around campus. Many times we'll advertise online through facebook (hey? why not.) and go and stand in the quad by the college union passing out flyers going berserk.
Our goal was to start to build a solid fan base for when we left. I'd say that mission is close to being accomplished.
As for other schools, Geneseo is fun, but their fans are fairly silent during play...then the band takes over. They'll cheer hits and goals pretty solid though...
We just travelled down to Cortland. Their number of 300 fans was inflated by the intermission mites hockey parents. After that game ended, attendance was down to about 150-200.
Oswego takes the cake in student support. Hands down.
Plattsburgh has a lot of town support, but not nearly as much student support. When we travelled up for the playoff game from Brockport last year (all 7 hours) it wasn't a playoff atmosphere. It was kinda sad. People were more interested in messing with us, than watching the game(we enjoy that).
Buffalo State has an OK fan base. They had a decent number of students there last year at the end of the season (900?). Still fairly quiet.
Of course, this all my biased opinion on that fans should be LOUD 100% of the time. Should chant and cheer and the whole nine yards. Not that Brockport gets everyone to cheer, because we certainly don't. But we're working on it.
Of course this is just my SUNYAC point of view too. Other divisions have great crowds too.
HOOAH D-III HOCKEY.
Also, Brockport...yes BROCKPORT is sixth this year averaging 1375 per game
Quite impressive considering just two years ago Brockport was getting 200 maybe 300 to most games. I guess their blip of success last year has gotten word around campus or something because I was shocked when I saw that attendance number for them.
Ahh, it's good to see the hard work paying off as for the 'Port's attendance. There's a group of 5 guys at Brockport who make the effort to go to every game with our horns and drum (regardless of if we can actually use them anywhere), and market like CRAZY around campus. Many times we'll advertise online through facebook (hey? why not.) and go and stand in the quad by the college union passing out flyers going berserk.
Our goal was to start to build a solid fan base for when we left. I'd say that mission is close to being accomplished.
As for other schools, Geneseo is fun, but their fans are fairly silent during play...then the band takes over. They'll cheer hits and goals pretty solid though...
We just travelled down to Cortland. Their number of 300 fans was inflated by the intermission mites hockey parents. After that game ended, attendance was down to about 150-200.
Oswego takes the cake in student support. Hands down.
Plattsburgh has a lot of town support, but not nearly as much student support. When we travelled up for the playoff game from Brockport last year (all 7 hours) it wasn't a playoff atmosphere. It was kinda sad. People were more interested in messing with us, than watching the game(we enjoy that).
Buffalo State has an OK fan base. They had a decent number of students there last year at the end of the season (900?). Still fairly quiet.
Of course, this all my biased opinion on that fans should be LOUD 100% of the time. Should chant and cheer and the whole nine yards. Not that Brockport gets everyone to cheer, because we certainly don't. But we're working on it.
Of course this is just my SUNYAC point of view too. Other divisions have great crowds too.
HOOAH D-III HOCKEY.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: Best Crowd
Elmira's numbers used to be a bit inflated but they have cracked down on that and now provide an accurate count for each home game.
I remember one game probably 5 or so years ago they said there were 2500 people there when you could have counted the number of pucks used, staff, players, coaches, fans and you wouldnt have got half that
Elmira's numbers used to be a bit inflated but they have cracked down on that and now provide an accurate count for each home game.
I remember one game probably 5 or so years ago they said there were 2500 people there when you could have counted the number of pucks used, staff, players, coaches, fans and you wouldnt have got half that
SB in the 'Seo
How 'bout a Fresca?
Re: Best Crowd
Oswego has great fan support and is certainly in the discussion, but I think hands down is a little strong. Consider this:
http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0809/boxes/mgenosw1.f28
Supportive until they ask you to open the purse strings
Once again, I assume same thing could be said about Geneseo. Fair-weather fans - that if the playoff game tickets weren't covered by athletic dept. - probably wouldn't be around.
Oswego has great fan support and is certainly in the discussion, but I think hands down is a little strong. Consider this:
http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0809/boxes/mgenosw1.f28
Supportive until they ask you to open the purse strings
Once again, I assume same thing could be said about Geneseo. Fair-weather fans - that if the playoff game tickets weren't covered by athletic dept. - probably wouldn't be around.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: Best Crowd
Oswego's student numbers I think might be tops in the country. 1000 students every regular season game while they are in session.
However, as you alluded to. They do get cut in half almost when it comes to the playoff games and they have to pay $3 for tickets. I think you're going to see that everywhere and fortunately for Geneseo and some other schools they do pick up the tab for the students to get them tickets. I wish Oswego did this for even just 200 tickets and that way they create a demand for the game.
I wish i could get back to Oswego for a regular season game with the students in session to see if they have gotten more vocal or some new cheers since I graduated last May but it looks like it's not going to happen. However, I did clear my work schedule for the ultimate hockey weekend of Adrian/Oswego and Plattsburgh/Elmira!!!
I will officially be at both. I'll start a Roll Call thread here soon to see who is planning on attending and maybe we can organize some sort of meet and greet or social in Oswego or Elmira for the USCHO posters attending.
Oswego has great fan support and is certainly in the discussion, but I think hands down is a little strong. Consider this:
http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0809/boxes/mgenosw1.f28
Supportive until they ask you to open the purse strings
Once again, I assume same thing could be said about Geneseo. Fair-weather fans - that if the playoff game tickets weren't covered by athletic dept. - probably wouldn't be around.
Oswego's student numbers I think might be tops in the country. 1000 students every regular season game while they are in session.
However, as you alluded to. They do get cut in half almost when it comes to the playoff games and they have to pay $3 for tickets. I think you're going to see that everywhere and fortunately for Geneseo and some other schools they do pick up the tab for the students to get them tickets. I wish Oswego did this for even just 200 tickets and that way they create a demand for the game.
I wish i could get back to Oswego for a regular season game with the students in session to see if they have gotten more vocal or some new cheers since I graduated last May but it looks like it's not going to happen. However, I did clear my work schedule for the ultimate hockey weekend of Adrian/Oswego and Plattsburgh/Elmira!!!
I will officially be at both. I'll start a Roll Call thread here soon to see who is planning on attending and maybe we can organize some sort of meet and greet or social in Oswego or Elmira for the USCHO posters attending.
SB in the 'Seo
How 'bout a Fresca?
Re: Best Crowd
I definitely want to catch that Oswego vs. Adrian game. If I'll goes according to plan I'll be seeing 4 new teams in the next month(ish.)
Saturday - WNEC (@ Geneseo)
Sunday - Manhattanville (@ Geneseo)
1/8 - Adrian (@ Oswego)
1/15 - Curry (@ Geneseo)
I think I'll be getting a national championship preview that week and no I don't mean Adrian vs. Oswego. Curry vs. Adrian Nat'l championship you heard it hear first .
Dang, if Plattsburgh vs Elmira would have been a normal 7 PM start time this would have been a pretty sweet hockey weekend. Not that I personally could have done it with work (sick day perhaps), but ...
1/7 - Brockport @ Hobart
1/8 - Adrian @ Oswego
1/9 - 3 PM - lebanon Valley @ Geneseo
(Not the most exciting game on paper, but don't rule out lvc getting there first point in 2 years at this game with Geneseo's history of playing down to opponents. Can you imagine the post game celebration if they won?)
1/9 - 7 PM - Plattsburgh @ Elmira
I did clear my work schedule for the ultimate hockey weekend of Adrian/Oswego and Plattsburgh/Elmira!!!
I will officially be at both. I'll start a Roll Call thread here soon to see who is planning on attending and maybe we can organize some sort of meet and greet or social in Oswego or Elmira for the USCHO posters attending.
I definitely want to catch that Oswego vs. Adrian game. If I'll goes according to plan I'll be seeing 4 new teams in the next month(ish.)
Saturday - WNEC (@ Geneseo)
Sunday - Manhattanville (@ Geneseo)
1/8 - Adrian (@ Oswego)
1/15 - Curry (@ Geneseo)
I think I'll be getting a national championship preview that week and no I don't mean Adrian vs. Oswego. Curry vs. Adrian Nat'l championship you heard it hear first
. Dang, if Plattsburgh vs Elmira would have been a normal 7 PM start time this would have been a pretty sweet hockey weekend. Not that I personally could have done it with work (sick day perhaps), but ...
1/7 - Brockport @ Hobart
1/8 - Adrian @ Oswego
1/9 - 3 PM - lebanon Valley @ Geneseo
(Not the most exciting game on paper, but don't rule out lvc getting there first point in 2 years at this game with Geneseo's history of playing down to opponents. Can you imagine the post game celebration if they won?)
1/9 - 7 PM - Plattsburgh @ Elmira
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Re: Best Crowd
not for some SUNYAC teams....
sorry couldn't resist....now back to the topic....
not for some SUNYAC teams....
sorry couldn't resist....now back to the topic....
nysportsfan29
Repping The 'Sweeg in JC
Re: Best Crowd
I don't know if that's necessarily true. When I took Hockey Coaching with Gosek last year he said that they get most of their money through the fundraising efforts of the Blue Line Club. This is true for a lot of the football programs in D-1 football, that is getting their money from booster clubs (as seen by Bobby Bowden's departure). Perhaps I'm wrong on the whole thing, but I thought if you appropriate too much more to a certain sport it becomes an issue of fairness (or gender equality if you're comparing male and female sports).
I don't know if that's necessarily true. When I took Hockey Coaching with Gosek last year he said that they get most of their money through the fundraising efforts of the Blue Line Club. This is true for a lot of the football programs in D-1 football, that is getting their money from booster clubs (as seen by Bobby Bowden's departure). Perhaps I'm wrong on the whole thing, but I thought if you appropriate too much more to a certain sport it becomes an issue of fairness (or gender equality if you're comparing male and female sports).
AGPennypacker
Im a wealthy American Industrialist
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I can't speak for all the other schools but I know Geneseo is a lot like the way you describe Oswego. The hockey team did a lot of fundraising on its own. It had a booster club and I'm pretty sure they did 50/50s at games. There was also a lotto type thing one year that raised a few thousand dollars. This was all fine and dandy, but the unfortunate thing was that for every $1 that the hockey team raised $0.50 went to the athletic department to divy out to the rest of the teams. While on the surface it may have looked like the hockey team was bringing in its own fundraising, it was actually fundraising on behalf of the athletic department.
I'm almost certain that there was contention on why the hockey team could not keep all or more of the money it raised. The other teams either didn't do fundraising or did very little of it such that the trickle down effect to the hockey team was minimal. The hockey team was disappointed that it (players, coaches and volunteers) were out raising money, but were essentially gettting taxed 50%. Point being, the hockey team raised a lot of money, but did not fully support itself.
As for appropriating monies to teams. Obviously it costs more per student athlete playing hockey than it does playing basketball (assuming similar travel schedules, etc). The cost of ice time and equipment being the major factors. My guess (and I'm sure someone on this board knows better than I)I think where they have to be equal is by spending on the whole. Geneseo does not have a female hockey team, but has other female sports teams (softball, field hockey) that balance out the equality of monies spent. Additionaly, I think if there are both a female and male sport, the cost per student athlete has to be similar.
I can't speak for all the other schools but I know Geneseo is a lot like the way you describe Oswego. The hockey team did a lot of fundraising on its own. It had a booster club and I'm pretty sure they did 50/50s at games. There was also a lotto type thing one year that raised a few thousand dollars. This was all fine and dandy, but the unfortunate thing was that for every $1 that the hockey team raised $0.50 went to the athletic department to divy out to the rest of the teams. While on the surface it may have looked like the hockey team was bringing in its own fundraising, it was actually fundraising on behalf of the athletic department.
I'm almost certain that there was contention on why the hockey team could not keep all or more of the money it raised. The other teams either didn't do fundraising or did very little of it such that the trickle down effect to the hockey team was minimal. The hockey team was disappointed that it (players, coaches and volunteers) were out raising money, but were essentially gettting taxed 50%. Point being, the hockey team raised a lot of money, but did not fully support itself.
As for appropriating monies to teams. Obviously it costs more per student athlete playing hockey than it does playing basketball (assuming similar travel schedules, etc). The cost of ice time and equipment being the major factors. My guess (and I'm sure someone on this board knows better than I)I think where they have to be equal is by spending on the whole. Geneseo does not have a female hockey team, but has other female sports teams (softball, field hockey) that balance out the equality of monies spent. Additionaly, I think if there are both a female and male sport, the cost per student athlete has to be similar.
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I really can't say that I was all that impressed with the crowd at the AUD for the UC/Oswego game. I think the attendence was announced as 1200 but that has to be including all the season ticket holders, which many were missing. There was probably only 800 or so. The figure that they draw 2700 can't be right. I have been to 5-6 Lakers games and each time the attendence was 2200+. The student section was rather vocal for the Brockport game. Unfortunately the Adrian game will be when school is out. I say show some video of the OZ CREW from Romney to inspire the student on how to support the team, but that will probably cause the lame college pres to pass out for it would not be very PC.
Oswego '89
I really can't say that I was all that impressed with the crowd at the AUD for the UC/Oswego game. I think the attendence was announced as 1200 but that has to be including all the season ticket holders, which many were missing. There was probably only 800 or so. The figure that they draw 2700 can't be right. I have been to 5-6 Lakers games and each time the attendence was 2200+. The student section was rather vocal for the Brockport game. Unfortunately the Adrian game will be when school is out. I say show some video of the OZ CREW from Romney to inspire the student on how to support the team, but that will probably cause the lame college pres to pass out for it would not be very PC.
Oswego '89