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Beanpot 2010- Who's Got It?

Beanpot 2010- Who's Got It?

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Re: Beanpot 2010- Who's Got It?

freak said:
I take it back.....chippy and NU LOVE this rule change. :p
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Ha. Though note Lauren McAuliffe is now Northeastern co-head coach, and if this rule was in place, it'd have prevented one of the most memorable goals of her career.

Also funny that two of those five goal scorers have now switched sides (Anna playing for Harvard, Lauren coaching for Northeastern)
 
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freak said:
In other words, when talking about this huge menace of OT games, we're talking about FIVE (6 counting yesterday) games in the entire history of the tournament.
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Just to be clear, I only listed games whose overtimes lasted longer than 5 minutes (leaving out Harvard's 2000 Beanpot final win over Northeastern and Harvard's 2006 Beanpot semifinal win over BU).

I also listed only games after 1999.

I just pulled out an old Harvard media guide, and here's a list of other Beanpot games that went to OT (I don't know the duration)


1980 Beanpot consolation: BU 2, BC 1 (OT)
1982 Beanpot semi: HU 3, NU 2 (5 OT) - though I think these were shorter OT periods
1993 Beanpot consolation: BC 4, Harvard 3 (OT)
1996 Beanpot final: NU 4, BC 3 (OT)

So only two other non-consolation games pre-1999. I'd be fine with consolation games ending in shootouts.

Also to be clear, does this rule apply to all games or is the final excluded? I am not clear on that point. Skate79's post seemed to suggest it was semis only (wishful thinking on my part), but the Globe article seemed to suggest it was all games. Though it would seem logical to apply to all games.
 
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dave1381 said:
Here's the list of Beanpot games whose ending would have been ruined had a shootout rule been in place...
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It would be interesting to hear where the coaches stand on this rule change. From a purist standpoint, I'm sure that they aren't crazy about it. But with a game or two coming up on the weekend, I doubt any of them wanted to play 120 minutes of hockey last night either. While I'd join with you in voting "no" on shootouts, it makes a little more sense for a mid-week event like this than it does for the championship game of the Worlds or Olympics.
 
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I think playing 4-on-4 overtime or some such after 5 minutes of 5-on-5 would make sense.... or simply playing a 20 minute overtime and then a shootout. Particularly for semis. 5 minutes just seems like too short of an OT.
 
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dave1381 said:
Also to be clear, does this rule apply to all games or is the final excluded? I am not clear on that point. Skate79's post seemed to suggest it was semis only (wishful thinking on my part), but the Globe article seemed to suggest it was all games. Though it would seem logical to apply to all games.
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I didn't see the Globe article, but I got the impression it was semis only from Skate's post.

My point still stands. We're not exactly talking about a rash of OT games, let alone multiple OT games that throw the entire schedule out of whack.

To me this smacks of a convenient excuse to allow as little resources to be put into the women's game as is necessary.
 
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I'm not saying that it's right or wrong or anything in between, but I think the use of the shoot-out for "regular-season tournaments" has become the norm to determine who would advance if tied after 65 minutes. :rolleyes:

I recall the men's Dodge Holiday Classic (formerly the Mariucci Classic and then the Dodge Mariucci Classic) use to play a full 20-minute overtime, but then a few years ago they went to the shootout. I've now seen that a couple of times. For the sake of the standings and rankings, those games are recorded as ties.
 
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I wasn't trying to argue against your point. I just wanted to make sure my list was accurate.

I do think it's tough to use past # of multi-OT games to project # of future games. When BU was a club team, there were only two potential games that could go to OT, the semi not involving BU and the championship. And when BC was awful too, you only had one such game each year -- the Harvard-Northeastern game. I think going forward you have a tourney where any of the four games could go to multiple OTs.

That said, I still dislike 5-minute OT followed by shootout.

Btw, what's the governance of the Beanpot like? Majority rule by the 4 coaches? ADs? Is Joe Bertagna the de facto benevolent dictator being commissioner of the conference with 3 teams and the guy who pretty much created the tournament?
 
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freak said:
Translation: We don't want to spend the time, money, or effort to allow a WOMEN'S game to be played to it's proper conclusion.

If I were a betting man, this same rule will not be applied equally to the men's tournament.

The other implicit, and even less palatable conclusion of this change to shootouts, is that female players must be saved from the physical exertion required of potential multiple overtimes.

As an impartial observer of that 3 OT game, I can say without a doubt that it was more exciting than a shootout could ever be. And I had to leave after the first OT. I can only imagine the tension and excitement had I been able to stay for the 2nd and 3rd OTs.

Although I have no connections to any of the players involved in the 3 OT game, I'd bet that for those involved, it was one of the most memorable games in their ENTIRE playing careers...even over Frozen Four appearances. I highly doubt ANY of them, even on the Harvard squad, would have wanted to see that game decided by an individual skills competition.

But here we are with a tournament game being decided by a skills competition. BU must be crushed, after having battled back from a big deficit, to see that team effort completely dismissed in favor of a circus act. And can NU really view this "win" in the same way as if they had bucked up and won legitimately in OT?

I hate shootouts with a passion. It's bad enough when it's used to award arbitrary points in the standings in conference play, but here it is being used to award a "victory" towards a tournament championship. It is just wrong on so many levels.

Boo, Bertagna, Boo.
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Well, I for one am in favor of the rule. Thanks to the SO I was able to dash up the street to the Sports Depot for a most tasty Buffalo Chicken pizza between games.

Yes, that 3OT game was a memorable affair. Aside from the hockey, young Master Babson, son of the former BC coach, scoured Conte for a vending machine and returned to his seat with a bag of Peanut M&Ms. Being a polite lad, or quite possibly because he made his midnight treat known to those around him, the bag was soon passed around. Upon its return there were but two or three of the colored morsels left. :eek:
 
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dave1381 said:
I think going forward you have a tourney where any of the four games could go to multiple OTs.
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Well, sure, anything is possible. But the odds are very much against any one game going multiple OTs.

As I said, I think this rule change has more to do with wanting to expend as little resources on the women's game as is necessary. If the men are being held to the same standard I would withdraw my complaint (not against shootouts, though), but my bet is that the men would be allowed to keep playing.
 
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RE: Coaches feelings:
Coach Lundrigan was quoted as saying she wasn't into the idea at first, but then joked that basically she was OK with it since NU won it.

RE: Fairness to BU
Seriously, gimme a break. I don't prefer the shootout deciding games like this any more than any of you do, but it is the rule. You play by the rules. I'm kind of tired of hearing "Oh poor BU, what an unfair/sad/dumb way for them to lose". Well if it's so unfair, they should have scored a 5th goal. Same thing if NU had lost the shootout. It's not as if the shootout put BU at some kind of unfair competitive disadvantage. They've been doing shootouts for the past two years as well. The shootout is now part of the rules, so we have to live with it.

I'm all for discussions about great OT games and why we shouldn't have a shootout, but saying it was unfair for BU is silly IMO.

Go Huskies :cool:
 
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I don't think anybody is saying that the shootout puts BU at an unfair disadvantage.

It DOES, however, negate the team game that they played to earn that tie.

Northeastern TIED a game against BU, but is moving on to play for a trophy due to a gimmick. It is just wrong, imo.

I'd say the same if BU had "won" the shootout.

Yes, everybody played by the same rules, but that doesn't mean it isn't a STUPID rule. And some of us are simply expressing our dislike of the rule.
 
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Freak, I won't lie, obviously I'm glad my team won the SO, but I totally get you and have agreed with you from the onset about the SO. And I obviously acknowledge the game as a tie. I just had to defend my Huskies somehow.

Although, this all could have been avoided if we hadn't blown another 3rd period lead!!! :eek:

Here's hoping to an awesome final next week. :)
 
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Also, I'm typically against the shootout, particularly for the NHL regular season, but I think there's one possible reason for the change that would put the Beanpot folks in a good light, and that's coverage. The men's game is not going to need the shootout, because NESN would probably kill for a 3OT semifinal between two teams battling it out in terms of the ratings, and they'd easily be able to cover it all.

However for the women's Beanpot, out of four schools, there were two radio stations there, us and BU student radio. It's hard to get the student radio stations to commit to broadcasting their schools' games in the Beanpot. There's even less incentive if the 5pm game goes to multiple OTs and what was scheduled as an 8pm broadcast becomes a 10pm broadcast. Instead, with the 5 min. OT and shootout, the second game only started 15 min. late.

Now at the end of the day, I wouldn't care, we've been broadcasting these games for years under the old rules and would continue to do so. But I definitely wonder if making the game more attractive for the media to pick up is part of the reason they adopted the shootout.

The only other positive reason I can think of was mentioned in the Harvard thread- that in the past, a 3OT loss in the Beanpot would have counted as a loss, while it would have been a tie in the regular season. Now teams can earn the tie and not hurt their PWR because of a loss.

(That being said, everyone from my station talked after the first game and said we would have liked to have seen more hockey rather than the shootout.)
 
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Championship Game on GoCrimson.com (paid audio and video) with free audio online at whrb.org and on the airwaves at 95.3 FM.

1-0 here in the consolation game (also on GoCrimson.com) in the 2nd period.

During the first intermission of the HU-NU game, we'll have an interview with USCHO's Brian Schulz. Tune in and enjoy.
 
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Restuccia 5 and a Game Disqualification. BC shorthanded for remaining 17.4 seconds as 4 on 4 play ended. Timeout BC, faceoff in the BU defensive zone.
 
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Harvard takes the Beanpot 1-0, outshooting Northeastern 42-26.
 
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