BC Women's Hockey '14-'15: #SOAR

[Ted Knight]

Re: BC Women's Hockey '14-'15: #SOAR

Since you're Katie's parent (per earlier posts) I'm 110% sure you have more info than I do and since you posted this it would appear you really want to share, so go ahead. In any case, time will tell if matriculating early was the right move or not.

No need to share anything. You seem to know the deal. My post was to tell you that stating that the coaches only motive is to have 3 goalies to start the season is dead wrong. Since we've never been through it before we believe it will be a huge transition whatever year she leaves (2014 or 2015)...and there's no guarantees. All involved know the situation and will live by the decision. I do agree with one of your points though...time will tell.

 

[Call It]

Re: BC Women's Hockey '14-'15: #SOAR

Time will tell if a year early was worth it. The price is right, free! It doesn't appear to have worked well for Miller. Having 2 of 3 goalies in one class doesn't typically work out well for one of them, unless they are just happy to be there.

 

[SamB]

Re: BC Women's Hockey '14-'15: #SOAR

No need to share anything. You seem to know the deal. My post was to tell you that stating that the coaches only motive is to have 3 goalies to start the season is dead wrong. Since we've never been through it before we believe it will be a huge transition whatever year she leaves (2014 or 2015)...and there's no guarantees. All involved know the situation and will live by the decision. I do agree with one of your points though...time will tell.

Ted - just curious - do you think Katie would be skipping a year of HS if Megan did not transfer? I think most people think that was the driving factor in having her move so quickly. What would be the motive if not for having 3 goalies? - otherwise she would still move up and
have 4 goalies.

It is an odd move given what we know.

 

[Ted Knight]

Re: BC Women's Hockey '14-'15: #SOAR

Time will tell if a year early was worth it. The price is right, free! It doesn't appear to have worked well for Miller. Having 2 of 3 goalies in one class doesn't typically work out well for one of them, unless they are just happy to be there.

Megan hurt her shoulder and was red-shirted. She would have played her share of games had she not gotten injured. She would have played all of the games this year and next had she not transferred. I don't see how it "doesn't appear to have worked for Miller"

 

[Ted Knight]

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Ted - just curious - do you think Katie would be skipping a year of HS if Megan did not transfer? I think most people think that was the driving factor in having her move so quickly. What would be the motive if not for having 3 goalies? - otherwise she would still move up and
have 4 goalies.

It is an odd move given what we know.

agreed

 

[Royale with Cheese]

Re: BC Women's Hockey '14-'15: #SOAR

Ted - just curious - do you think Katie would be skipping a year of HS if Megan did not transfer? I think most people think that was the driving factor in having her move so quickly. What would be the motive if not for having 3 goalies? - otherwise she would still move up and
have 4 goalies.

It is an odd move given what we know.

As a parent you do your best to try and help your kids through making decisions and finding success. You have no idea what it is like to have people speculate about how terrible those decisions are on anonymous internet forums. The turn their conjecture and innuendo into statements of fact, in reality they were not there and have no idea what really happened. Why someone transferred, what a coach was motivated by, what is best for a player…. And now knowing the identity of a poster they are going to call them out, pry and question personal decisions. As if any parent of a college freshman knows that they have set their kid on the right path.
As I said before I got to watch Katie and she is a very good goalie, my daughter knows her well and thinks she is a great person, and she has a great support system. All that said, it is a huge jump in level for any player but especially goalie (you cant hide behind linemates or skip a shift), BC may need to keep D from jumping to deep in the zone this year and back check like crazy to cover the fact that the goal tenders have faced a total of 2 colligate shots. I would think that the fact that BC and BU are in similar circumstances (world class scoring, solid core, but young untested goalies). Makes the league pretty interesting to follow and wide open, I think there will be some high scoring games early. Put the trolls away and talk some hockey.

 

[Ted Knight]

Re: BC Women's Hockey '14-'15: #SOAR

as a parent you do your best to try and help your kids through making decisions and finding success. You have no idea what it is like to have people speculate about how terrible those decisions are on anonymous internet forums. The turn their conjecture and innuendo into statements of fact, in reality they were not there and have no idea what really happened. Why someone transferred, what a coach was motivated by, what is best for a player…. And now knowing the identity of a poster they are going to call them out, pry and question personal decisions. As if any parent of a college freshman knows that they have set their kid on the right path.
As i said before i got to watch katie and she is a very good goalie, my daughter knows her well and thinks she is a great person, and she has a great support system. All that said, it is a huge jump in level for any player but especially goalie (you cant hide behind linemates or skip a shift), bc may need to keep d from jumping to deep in the zone this year and back check like crazy to cover the fact that the goal tenders have faced a total of 2 colligate shots. I would think that the fact that bc and bu are in similar circumstances (world class scoring, solid core, but young untested goalies). Makes the league pretty interesting to follow and wide open, i think there will be some high scoring games early. Put the trolls away and talk some hockey.

amen!!!

 

[96IllinoisDad]

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I got a chuckle as well. I suppose some of us are less sure. I shouldn't speak for others so...I'm less sure anyway.

Exactly,, no disrespect to Keller who is an elite defeseman, but in a class with Daoust (UMD), Baldwin (UM), Rolfes (UW), Willard (UVM), Wildfang (Colgate), Saracco (Cornell), Williams (UW), Healey (UMD) etc..., I'm less sure as well.

 

[HockeyEast33]

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.... And now knowing the identity of a poster they are going to call them out, pry and question personal decisions. As if any parent of a college freshman knows that they have set their kid on the right path....

As a note, I didn't "out" Ted's identity as Katie's parent. He posted it himself in one of his first posts on another thread..... his choice, not mine - I had no idea until I read his previous post.

As you say in the rest of your post, all accounts I have (from many sources) are that Katie is a fine person and a talented goalie. There was no implication in any of my posts that that wasn't the case.

 

[SamB]

Re: BC Women's Hockey '14-'15: #SOAR

my daughter knows her well and thinks she is a great person, and she has a great support system.


Cheese- I am sure she is a great person and her family is doing the best for her. It is just an interesting story for BC so people are naturally interested in how it came about since it is unusual. I will drop and I do wish her all the best.

 

[Ted Knight]

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As a note, I didn't "out" Ted's identity as Katie's parent. He posted it himself in one of his first posts on another thread..... his choice, not mine - I had no idea until I read the previous post.

As you say in the rest of your post, all accounts I have (from many sources) are that Katie is a fine person and a talented goalie. There was no implication in any of my posts that that wasn't the case.

it does baffle me why posters don't let everyone know who they are on these boards. it will make for a better discussion. heck, you may even get more information on specific situations.
the posts about Katie have been correct. nobody has "trashed" her here. but when the coaches are painted in a certain way (incorrectly) I had to post...that's all.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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Megan hurt her shoulder and was red-shirted. She would have played her share of games had she not gotten injured. She would have played all of the games this year and next had she not transferred. I don't see how it "doesn't appear to have worked for Miller"

Well said.

Nice to have you here. Good perspective to have on the forum. Hope to see you at some games.

 

[HockeyEast33]

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it does baffle me why posters don't let everyone know who they are on these boards. it will make for a better discussion. heck, you may even get more information on specific situations.
the posts about Katie have been correct. nobody has "trashed" her here. but when the coaches are painted in a certain way (incorrectly) I had to post...that's all.

I would guess most people don't disclose their identity because their kids would never talk to them again if they did!

OK - I'll bite on the second item. What about the BC coaches has been painted incorrectly:

- That their primary job is to win games and foster team success (over individual goals and success)?
- That they are concerned that they have only 2 goalies going into next season, 1 of which is coming off what sounds to be a serious injury, and are afraid that the 2 arean't good enough to enable them to win?
- That they worked to enable the early matriculation of a prized and accomplished goalie recruit to help address their above concerns and put them in a better place to win?

I'm really confused how this is incorrect, but I'm open to understanding it.... It appears to me that the BC coaches did exactly what you would expect given their circumstances....

 

[Blackhawks Rule]

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This coaching staff has done what most staffs would have done, they made sure their roster was full. Ninety five percent of women's college hockey teams, D1,D2,orD3, carry three goaltenders. Three tenders are essential to running their, fast paced, uptempo, 2hour long practices. In addition, three rostered goalers, virtually assure that the team will have two dressed for each game. There are dozens of scenarios in which your number 1 or number 2 net minder would need to sit out a game or more.

Was this the only path the coaching staff could have taken? Obviously not, but it is what they chose to do. They are very fortunate that Katie was in a position to make this move.

Some posters and readers may remember a similar situation involving Ohio State 3 or 4 years ago. OSU had just finished a season with a senior, a junior, and a sophomore at the goalie
position. The following year they had a incoming freshman recruit to replace the graduating senior. During that off season the senior was gone to graduation, the junior left the team in order to persue a dream job opportunity, and the sophomore sustained an injury that would sideline her well into the upcoming season. Leaving OSU with only one healthy goalie on the roster. They scrambled to bring in two additional freshman to fill out the goalie position. Certainly not an ideal situation for anyone involved, having three goalies in the same class, especially for the coaching staffs efforts at recruiting themselves out of the mess

 

[Ted Knight]

Re: BC Women's Hockey '14-'15: #SOAR

I would guess most people don't disclose their identity because their kids would never talk to them again if they did!

OK - I'll bite on the second item. What about the BC coaches has been painted incorrectly:

- That their primary job is to win games and foster team success (over individual goals and success)?
- That they are concerned that they have only 2 goalies going into next season, 1 of which is coming off what sounds to be a serious injury, and are afraid that the 2 arean't good enough to enable them to win?
- That they worked to enable the early matriculation of a prized and accomplished goalie recruit to help address their above concerns and put them in a better place to win?

I'm really confused how this is incorrect, but I'm open to understanding it.... It appears to me that the BC coaches did exactly what you would expect given their circumstances....

everyone already knows that a 17 year old doesn't talk to their parents anyway.

 

[HockeyEast33]

Re: BC Women's Hockey '14-'15: #SOAR

This coaching staff has done what most staffs would have done, they made sure their roster was full. Ninety five percent of women's college hockey teams, D1,D2,orD3, carry three goaltenders. Three tenders are essential to running their, fast paced, uptempo, 2hour long practices. In addition, three rostered goalers, virtually assure that the team will have two dressed for each game. There are dozens of scenarios in which your number 1 or number 2 net minder would need to sit out a game or more.

Was this the only path the coaching staff could have taken? Obviously not, but it is what they chose to do. They are very fortunate that Katie was in a position to make this move.

Some posters and readers may remember a similar situation involving Ohio State 3 or 4 years ago. OSU had just finished a season with a senior, a junior, and a sophomore at the goalie
position. The following year they had a incoming freshman recruit to replace the graduating senior. During that off season the senior was gone to graduation, the junior left the team in order to persue a dream job opportunity, and the sophomore sustained an injury that would sideline her well into the upcoming season. Leaving OSU with only one healthy goalie on the roster. They scrambled to bring in two additional freshman to fill out the goalie position. Certainly not an ideal situation for anyone involved, having three goalies in the same class, especially for the coaching staffs efforts at recruiting themselves out of the mess

Agree with your first two comments. However, the OSU situation was a little different than BC as I recall - they found two goalies who effectively had no other D1 options at that point (so late in the process) to fill the roster and these kids were happy to just have a D1 spot somewhere. They then went out and found another goalie (or two) the next year to improve the team. To me, that is a lot different than a highly recruited player skipping her high school senior year to compete for a spot with two other goalies a year early..... BC could have gone out like OSU did and filled the spot with a D3 commit who would just have been happy to be on the team for a year or two....

 

[Eeyore]

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A similar case that I can remember on the men's side is Billy Sauer at Michigan. He was expected to be the guy that would replace Al Montoya. When Montoya left school with a year of eligibility remaining, Sauer's entrance at Michigan was accelerated by a year, much like Burt's. He played four years in Ann Arbor but was a clear disappointment and the consensus opinion was that the lost year of development time was a critical factor, psychologically as much as physically. He ended his junior season getting yanked from the 2008 NCAA semi-final against Notre Dame after giving up 3 goals on 6 shots and the next year he was essentially the backup to Bryan Hogan.

I know nothing about Katie Burt or any of the other principals in this situation but this move is the sort of risk that makes me grit my teeth and wonder what the upside for the player really is. Sauer's isn't the only instance I've seen where it went bad, though it is the most spectacular.

 

[sheagle008]

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Women's hockey is completely different from boys hockey. Adjusting won't be that hard, a couple of practices before the season and she'll be fine. Look at a couple of freshman starters that had loads of success- Rigsby,Sperry,Schaus,Maschmeyer...etc

 

[bc6696]

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Women's hockey is completely different from boys hockey. Adjusting won't be that hard, a couple of practices before the season and she'll be fine. Look at a couple of freshman starters that had loads of success- Rigsby,Sperry,Schaus,Maschmeyer...etc

I don't think it is quite as easy as "a couple of practices" to transition from 16U to D1 college hockey. Katie does have the 2013-14 U18 team experience, the USA festival this month, and surely another year as the U18 goaltender - that will definitely help get her prepared. Being close to home will also make it a much easier adjusting to college and having a support network close. Her family seems great, I had the pleasure of having a few drinks poolside last year with mom and some other team parents; they are very proud and supportive. Being a fellow goalie parent I give them credit for making the leap, and wish Katie the best of luck.



In response to the "chuckle" over Keller being so highly touted:
While I would a little more reserved before naming her the best ever, after watching her play over the last five years and with my own daughter for 81 games last year - she is the best female defenseman I have ever watched in the 19U game. I have had the oppurtunity to watch many of the others mentioned. They are all great defense, but Megan stands out as the best of the incoming class. She led the World Championships in Budapest in +/-, is tall with an exceptional reach, smart, and strong. BC fans should be very excited to have her.

Hopefully over the next four years our daughters will have a chance to play each other, and I can meet a few of the fellow forum posters.

 

[HockeyEast33]

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Katie does have the 2013-14 U18 team experience, the USA festival this month, and surely another year as the U18 goaltender - that will definitely help get her prepared.....

Perhaps an oversight on the roster list on the USA Hockey website or an error in my web browser, but I don't see Burt on the roster for the National Festival....