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Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?

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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
You can stop sarcastically paraphrasing NRA copy anytime. No one here who supports gun ownership within reason has parroted that horsesh*t.
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Scooby does have a partial point, but he's not going to like who receives the favour. When you ban guns, the only people who no longer have them are the law-abiding citizens. Criminals don't follow laws. That is the most fundamental thing to remember. Let's assume that the bad drunk is a criminal, and the good drunk isn't. The bad drunk's going to have the gun whether or not it's legal. If it's legal, the good drunk will have it. If it's illegal, the good drunk will be defenceless, as will the bartender and owner (if not one in the same). When there's no threat of immediate repercussion, it's more likely that something's going to happen.
 
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In states that allow conceal-carry, but also allow establishments to ban guns on their premises, do those establishments take on the legal responsibility to protect its patrons should someone use a gun illegally within their premises?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Let's assume that the bad drunk is a criminal, and the good drunk isn't. The bad drunk's going to have the gun whether or not it's legal. If it's legal, the good drunk will have it. If it's illegal, the good drunk will be defenceless, as will the bartender and owner (if not one in the same). When there's no threat of immediate repercussion, it's more likely that something's going to happen.
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Sounds like one less drunk person will have a gun. I would rather take my chances with 1 "bad drunk" with a gun than 2 "drunks" with a gun regardless of their intentions.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Scooby does have a partial point, but he's not going to like who receives the favour. When you ban guns, the only people who no longer have them are the law-abiding citizens. Criminals don't follow laws.
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All the more reason to do it. If it's illegal to carry a gun in Times Square, the po-po don't even need to see me in the act of a crime; I'm carrying, therefore (by your reasoning) I'm a bad guy and off to Rikers.

People making abstract arguments on this issue are missing the point that some laws that make sense at Ma and Pa Kettle's place don't make sense once you reach civilization. That was the point of the "dead line" when you rode into Dodge to blow off some steam.
 
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Kepler said:
All the more reason to do it. If it's illegal to carry a gun in Times Square, the po-po don't even need to see me in the act of a crime; I'm carrying, therefore (by your reasoning) I'm a bad guy and off to Rikers.

People making abstract arguments on this issue are missing the point that some laws that make sense at Ma and Pa Kettle's place don't make sense once you reach civilization. That was the point of the "dead line" when you rode into Dodge to blow off some steam.
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And once again, you think criminals are going to be stupid enough to do that in plain sight of a cop, or that the response time is going to be short enough to take care of what needs to happen. I'm not surprised that an ivy league education would teach you something so illogical.
 
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Ewwww.

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According to the Chicago Tribune, photos provided to them by the family attorney show that police removed Jessica Mejia’s body from the vehicle. They then proceeded to undress her at the scene. Jessica’s naked body was laid out on a tarp. Police then photographed her naked corpse, which they manipulated into various poses.
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dxmnkd316 said:
Got to agree with unofan here. Guns have absolutely no place in a bar. That one is especially frightening.
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I've carried concealed in a bar ... legally ... under ND 62.1-02-04. I was legal because of Section 2.c. or Section 2.f.

Please note that under ND law, even with my permit, if I'm carrying my BAL must be 0.0 no matter where I am.

Again, I know and follow the law. I'm not the problem.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Please note that under ND law, even with my permit, if I'm carrying my BAL must be 0.0 no matter where I am.
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When VA made it legal to carry at places that serve alcohol, there was discussion about this. IINM it is against the law to operate a vehicle with BAC > 0.08. I assume it's the same for carrying; I don't believe there's a lower (or zero) limit.
 
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Kepler said:
When VA made it legal to carry at places that serve alcohol, there was discussion about this. IINM it is against the law to operate a vehicle with BAC > 0.08. I assume it's the same for carrying; I don't believe there's a lower (or zero) limit.
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It's state-by-state for concealed carry. ND is zero. MN is some silly thing like 0.02. Other use the driving BAL limit. How do I deal with all these variations?

I fail safe, as Dear Wormer once said to Mr. Blutarsky, "Zero. Point. Zero."
 
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The Sicatoka said:
It's state-by-state for concealed carry. ND is zero. MN is some silly thing like 0.02. Other use the driving BAL limit. How do I deal with all these variations?

I fail safe, as Dear Wormer once said to Mr. Blutarsky, "Zero. Point. Zero."
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The MN limit seems more sensible to me than the ND limit--no drinking and carrying, but you're probably still ok to treat your cough.
 
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