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Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?

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I think it started out with Nixon and then accelerated under Reagan that, since race correlates with wealth, they could tap the racist market and basically say "social programs mean hard working whites are sending their money to shiftless blacks." Guys like Jesse Helms ran on this explicitly. The folks behind trickle down weren't racist, but this was their strategy to get rural and lower middle class whites to vote against their own interests in order to "stop welfare queens."

As time went on, the overtly racial element lessened in all but the worst places in the country, but the blind ideological tenet that "social programs are a waste of money" or "welfare increases dependency" calcified in the minds of Republican voters (who nevertheless managed to find an exception for whatever particular type of assistance they got, like mortgage interest deduction or farm subsidies or church tax exemptions). Now there's an entire generation of Republican voters, aged about 40-60, who are literally incapable of thinking any other way. The Echo Chamber pounded that one lesson in so hard and so long that even hard evidence to the contrary just makes them double down even more.
 
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Kepler said:
When I was at Stanford I knew a couple visiting scholars from Europe who were at Hoover. They were quite right-leaning. They couldn't understand why the American right was so broadly against programs like Head Start (to this day still the gold standard for poverty reduction, despite having its funding choked off in large part because it was working and gave the lie to the GOP's "social programs doesn't work" BS). They felt those programs were actually quite conservative, because they concentrated on opportunity rather than result. They also felt, because they were staunch anti-communists, that early education and child care were the best ways to short-circuit leftist radicalism by "taking the edge off" the free market (the idea being that people instinctively recoil from an economic system that dooms children who never had a chance).
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The main reason I see people against school systems is because they seem to be very one-size-fits-some cookie-cutter and less focused on the interactions that the child requires, hence why many reviews of said institutions will include a student:teacher ratio. Parents expect to see something, and in our point-finger society, if what they expect doesn't happen, they blame the school and demand results. Hence, insane amounts of testing and the result of systems such as Regents and Common Core.

Every child needs at least some mentors in his/her life, so why should a parent absolve himself/herself of that responsibility?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
The main reason I see people against school systems is because they seem to be very one-size-fits-some cookie-cutter and less focused on the interactions that the child requires, hence why many reviews of said institutions will include a student:teacher ratio. Parents expect to see something, and in our point-finger society, if what they expect doesn't happen, they blame the school and demand results. Hence, insane amounts of testing and the result of systems such as Regents and Common Core.

Every child needs at least some mentors in his/her life, so why should a parent absolve himself/herself of that responsibility?
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The testing really started getting bad because of the "make the public sector perform like the private sector" idiocy of the 1980s and 1990s. For once, both parties are equally to blame -- Reagan for foisting another one of his "looks good on paper, makes no sense in reality" fantasies on the country, and Clinton for using it to duck the "Democrats are pie in the sky" label.

I went to public school through high school. It was never cookie cutter, one size fits all. Most of the teachers understood different kids responded to different techniques, and most of them busted their butts to do right by the kids. Teachers are one of the groups most victimized by the idiocy of conservative demonization of public sector workers. The treatment of them has been shameful, and the cynical little fcks at Heritage et al. who thought it all up as an electioneering strategy should have to pay a steep price. But they won't -- they only ruin others' lives.
 
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Kepler said:
Teachers are one of the groups most victimized by the idiocy of conservative demonization of public sector workers. The treatment of them has been shameful, and the cynical little fcks at Heritage et al. who thought it all up as an electioneering strategy should have to pay a steep price. But they won't -- they only ruin others' lives.
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Again we're back to the hypocritical nature of too many on the far right. Why, when most teachers do care about the kids they are entrusted with and not only TRY to do well by them but actually DO well by them do we demonize them as a group for the occasional lifer hiding behind tenure or a poorly written labor contract? Part of it of course may be related to the fact that so many of them --as public employees -- are unionized. Another convenient whipping boy for the far right. Of course I never had to worry about the 2 or 3 really bad teachers in the public K-12 schools I attended out of the 50 or so I had over 13 years shooting me. And at least one of them was a reserve sheriff's deputy!
 
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Kepler said:
The testing really started getting bad because of the "make the public sector perform like the private sector" idiocy of the 1980s and 1990s. For once, both parties are equally to blame -- Reagan for foisting another one of his "looks good on paper, makes no sense in reality" fantasies on the country, and Clinton for using it to duck the "Democrats are pie in the sky" label.

I went to public school through high school. It was never cookie cutter, one size fits all. Most of the teachers understood different kids responded to different techniques, and most of them busted their butts to do right by the kids. Teachers are one of the groups most victimized by the idiocy of conservative demonization of public sector workers. The treatment of them has been shameful, and the cynical little fcks at Heritage et al. who thought it all up as an electioneering strategy should have to pay a steep price. But they won't -- they only ruin others' lives.
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Depends on where you go and who you find. Some are very good. Some are very obviously reaping the benefits of tenure (I did have a couple of these for teachers), and are the reason for said attacks. I'm not sure what state you were in, but NY has had standardized curriculums for the longest time (pretty much the basis for Common Core), and given that Common Core is requiring not only that you learn the material, but you learn it in a very specific method (something the Regents system does NOT have), it has become much more cookie cutter than ever before. It's become so bad that I've found myself agreeing with NYSUT on something; I NEVER thought I'd see the day. :eek:
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
Again we're back to the hypocritical nature of too many on the far right. Why, when most teachers do care about the kids they are entrusted with and not only TRY to do well by them but actually DO well by them do we demonize them as a group for the occasional lifer hiding behind tenure or a poorly written labor contract? Part of it of course may be related to the fact that so many of them --as public employees -- are unionized. Another convenient whipping boy for the far right. Of course I never had to worry about the 2 or 3 really bad teachers in the public K-12 schools I attended out of the 50 or so I had over 13 years shooting me. And at least one of them was a reserve sheriff's deputy!
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I was in public for 8.5 years in the middle of nowhere, parochial for 4.5 in the North Country. Didn't have to worry about guns, just Sr. and her ruler. ;)
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
Yeah, and by the time the cops arrive, the street punk is long gone and the cops I called will never catch him anyway. I have fortunately never been the victim of a violent crime against my own person, but my niece was murdered 15 years ago. Cops know who did it but since they suck the big hard one as far as investigative skills go, they could not build an effective case and the guy who did it is free as a bird 3 states away. As for non-violent crime, many in my family have been victims of a number of acts of property crime, by my count at least half a dozen different instances, and only one was solved and the property recovered. Seems like overall Mr. Lipschitz and his ACLU card wouldn't have done much worse, and at least I would never have to worry about him shooting me for no reason.
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Assigning your own personal cops would be a trifle expensive, don't you think? Our prisons and jails are full of people those incompetent, racist, quick to shoot black dudes cops have rounded up. Most people, except those deeply into mythology, realize that the vast majority of black victims of violent crime have been victimized by other blacks. The leading cause of death for young black men is murder. Murders committed by other young black men in the overwhelming majority of cases. Dramatic improvements in the murder rate in NYC translate into hundreds of minority dudes still alive who previously would have been dead. But blather away.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Dammit. I just realized I misspelled Kepler's typo. :)
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Technically, it's not a typo. It's from the original work; I guess it means "of or in accord with stereotyping." Don't blame the messenger. :)
 
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Ruh roh

Supervisors at the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office were ordered to falsify a reserve deputy’s training records, giving him credit for field training he never took and firearms certifications he should not have received, sources told the Tulsa World.

At least three of reserve deputy Robert Bates’ supervisors were transferred after refusing to sign off on his state-required training, multiple sources speaking on condition of anonymity told the World.

Bates, 73, is accused of second-degree manslaughter in the shooting death of Eric Harris during an undercover operation on April 2.

The sources’ claims are corroborated by records, including a statement by Bates after the shooting, that he was certified as an advanced reserve deputy in 2007.
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Kepler said:
I must be the only person on the planet to have never seen Footloose. It's not on purpose, either -- it's just never crossed my path.
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Nope. I've never seen it either.
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Jeezuz. I thought it was bizarre in the first place for a guy his age to be in that position I didn't think it could get even more inexplicable.
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Quite a few people need to be fired for this. Inexcusable.
 
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The guy chasing after the cop with the knife? I'd have shot him the second time he charged. Emptied my clip.

Great restraint on his part.
 
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Old Pio said:
Assigning your own personal cops would be a trifle expensive, don't you think?
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Where did I even suggest something like this? You are far too in love with the sound of your own voice, and the sight of your own posts, so much so you often fail to grasp any of the meaning in something someone else says or posts. I sincerely hope there are no people in your life who actually care about you, because if you are real life even 1/100 as ridiculous as you come across here on a regular basis, you are nothing but a complete bore and not worth knowing. I pity those that have to deal with you on an up close and personal level.
 
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