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Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
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Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
Frank Drebin: the whiners choice for national police chief.
Frank Drebin: the whiners choice for national police chief.
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Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
An 11-year-old autistic boy is now a convicted felon. http://thefreethoughtproject.com/autistic-6th-grader-assaulted-school-cop-convicted-felon/
An 11-year-old autistic boy is now a convicted felon. http://thefreethoughtproject.com/autistic-6th-grader-assaulted-school-cop-convicted-felon/
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Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
Oh lookie here, an apologist thinking cops can do no wrong and making excuses for them.
Oh lookie here, an apologist thinking cops can do no wrong and making excuses for them.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
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We don't like people dying so we're whiners? Got it, "move along, nothing to see here." Sad truth is you are serious.
WeAreNDHockey
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Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
One of the things that bothers me most when people trot out the "cops do sometimes make mistakes" line is this standard of thinking is rarely applied to other people who perpetuate violent acts. We don't say "well most scout masters don't sexually abuse 12 year old boys so lets not overreact when one does." Same thing about pedophile priests or raping coaches. Most fans of opposing teams are cool, but when one dumps a beer on me, I'm going to whale on him without regard to the rest of the bunch and I'm not even going to think about the rest of the bunch who didn't toss a beer my way. The fact is I want those who we place great trust in to be above reproach and when one is not, I want -- if not to overreact -- to react with at least as much force as we react when the shoe is on the other foot. If Michael Slager had been shot in the back by Walter Scott we would have -- without even thinking about it or looking into his past -- celebrated him as a hero and a true patriot. 5000 people would have attended his funeral. News of his death would have been reported in every state in America. Yet if some random bystander had not taken video of this incident, no one would have said a peep, and Scott would have been left to be mourned by a handful of family and friends.
The saddest fact is we don't even really know just how much of this goes on anymore. The suspicion is many acts of unneeded and illegal violent acts committed by cops are being vastly underreported. As it is, you are about 30 times as likely to be murdered (not homicide which may be justifiable, murdered, which is always illegal) by a cop than by a terrorist.
Apologizing for the cops who aren't criminals is unnecessary and does little but divert attention away from the ones that are. It's a magician's trick. It's sleight of hand, often by those with an extreme conflict of interest to make us avert the focus from where it should be firmly placed. And for years now every time I hear people come out of the woodwork to reflexively defend law enforcement when something like Slager murdering Wilson and then attempting to cover it up happens I wonder why these same people often think law enforcement (and the military) can do little wrong, but everything else the "government" does is crap, unneeded, corrupt or wasteful. Why just the cops and the military? Everybody on the public dime sucks, unless they wear a uniform and carry a gun. How likely is that?
One of the things that bothers me most when people trot out the "cops do sometimes make mistakes" line is this standard of thinking is rarely applied to other people who perpetuate violent acts. We don't say "well most scout masters don't sexually abuse 12 year old boys so lets not overreact when one does." Same thing about pedophile priests or raping coaches. Most fans of opposing teams are cool, but when one dumps a beer on me, I'm going to whale on him without regard to the rest of the bunch and I'm not even going to think about the rest of the bunch who didn't toss a beer my way. The fact is I want those who we place great trust in to be above reproach and when one is not, I want -- if not to overreact -- to react with at least as much force as we react when the shoe is on the other foot. If Michael Slager had been shot in the back by Walter Scott we would have -- without even thinking about it or looking into his past -- celebrated him as a hero and a true patriot. 5000 people would have attended his funeral. News of his death would have been reported in every state in America. Yet if some random bystander had not taken video of this incident, no one would have said a peep, and Scott would have been left to be mourned by a handful of family and friends.
The saddest fact is we don't even really know just how much of this goes on anymore. The suspicion is many acts of unneeded and illegal violent acts committed by cops are being vastly underreported. As it is, you are about 30 times as likely to be murdered (not homicide which may be justifiable, murdered, which is always illegal) by a cop than by a terrorist.
Apologizing for the cops who aren't criminals is unnecessary and does little but divert attention away from the ones that are. It's a magician's trick. It's sleight of hand, often by those with an extreme conflict of interest to make us avert the focus from where it should be firmly placed. And for years now every time I hear people come out of the woodwork to reflexively defend law enforcement when something like Slager murdering Wilson and then attempting to cover it up happens I wonder why these same people often think law enforcement (and the military) can do little wrong, but everything else the "government" does is crap, unneeded, corrupt or wasteful. Why just the cops and the military? Everybody on the public dime sucks, unless they wear a uniform and carry a gun. How likely is that?
WeAreNDHockey
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Yeah, and by the time the cops arrive, the street punk is long gone and the cops I called will never catch him anyway. I have fortunately never been the victim of a violent crime against my own person, but my niece was murdered 15 years ago. Cops know who did it but since they suck the big hard one as far as investigative skills go, they could not build an effective case and the guy who did it is free as a bird 3 states away. As for non-violent crime, many in my family have been victims of a number of acts of property crime, by my count at least half a dozen different instances, and only one was solved and the property recovered. Seems like overall Mr. Lipschitz and his ACLU card wouldn't have done much worse, and at least I would never have to worry about him shooting me for no reason.
Yeah, and by the time the cops arrive, the street punk is long gone and the cops I called will never catch him anyway. I have fortunately never been the victim of a violent crime against my own person, but my niece was murdered 15 years ago. Cops know who did it but since they suck the big hard one as far as investigative skills go, they could not build an effective case and the guy who did it is free as a bird 3 states away. As for non-violent crime, many in my family have been victims of a number of acts of property crime, by my count at least half a dozen different instances, and only one was solved and the property recovered. Seems like overall Mr. Lipschitz and his ACLU card wouldn't have done much worse, and at least I would never have to worry about him shooting me for no reason.
Kepler
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Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
Basic authoritarian psychology. They love the cops and the army but hate Head Start and AFDC. The love the parts of the Bible where God smites, but quickly change the subject when Jesus tells them to give their stuff to the poors. Ring Lardner had their number: "'shut up,' he explained." As did Neil Peart: "quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand."
1. Conventionalism. Rigid adherence to conventional, middle class attitudes.
2. Authoritarian Submission. Submissive, uncritical attitude toward idealized moral authorities of the ingroup.
3. Authoritarian Aggression. Tendency to be on the lookout for, and to condemn, reject, and punish people who violate conventional values.
4. Anti-intraception. Opposition to the subjective, the imaginative, the tenderminded.
5. Superstitions and Stereotyty. The belief in mystical determinants of the individual’s fate; the disposition to think in rigid categories.
6. Power and ‘Toughness’. Preoccupation with the dominance-submission, strong-weak, leader-follower dimension; identification with power figures; overemphasis upon the conventionalized attributes of the ego; exaggerated assertion of strength and toughness.
7. Destruction and Cynicism. Generalized hostility, vilification of the human.
8. Projectivity. The disposition to believe that wild and dangerous things go on in the world; the projection outwards of unconscious emotional impulses.
9. Sex. Exaggerated concern with sexual ‘goings-on.’
Basic authoritarian psychology. They love the cops and the army but hate Head Start and AFDC. The love the parts of the Bible where God smites, but quickly change the subject when Jesus tells them to give their stuff to the poors. Ring Lardner had their number: "'shut up,' he explained." As did Neil Peart: "quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand."
1. Conventionalism. Rigid adherence to conventional, middle class attitudes.
2. Authoritarian Submission. Submissive, uncritical attitude toward idealized moral authorities of the ingroup.
3. Authoritarian Aggression. Tendency to be on the lookout for, and to condemn, reject, and punish people who violate conventional values.
4. Anti-intraception. Opposition to the subjective, the imaginative, the tenderminded.
5. Superstitions and Stereotyty. The belief in mystical determinants of the individual’s fate; the disposition to think in rigid categories.
6. Power and ‘Toughness’. Preoccupation with the dominance-submission, strong-weak, leader-follower dimension; identification with power figures; overemphasis upon the conventionalized attributes of the ego; exaggerated assertion of strength and toughness.
7. Destruction and Cynicism. Generalized hostility, vilification of the human.
8. Projectivity. The disposition to believe that wild and dangerous things go on in the world; the projection outwards of unconscious emotional impulses.
9. Sex. Exaggerated concern with sexual ‘goings-on.’
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FlagDUDE08
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Reminds me of that one scene in "Footloose", where Kevin Bacon starts quoting the Bible, and John Lithgow has that "Oh ****" look on his face.
Reminds me of that one scene in "Footloose", where Kevin Bacon starts quoting the Bible, and John Lithgow has that "Oh ****" look on his face.
WeAreNDHockey
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It's too bad they don't love their tax dollars as much as they say then. Instead of proven ways to reduce crime, like Head Start and drug intervention programs, they instead want to take $$$ from those things and give it to things like more prisons (and more privately run prisons of course) and D.A.R.E. programs, even though there is no empirical evidence that shows prisons and D.A.R.E. are effective and decades of evidence that show Head Start and alternative sentence programs ARE effective. Of all the things that rankle me the one I hate most (OK after underachieving Notre Dame hockey teams) is hypocrisy. And it is nothing but hypocrisy to scream about federal funding of Head Start and not scream equally loudly about the ineffectiveness of D.A.R.E. But wait a minute, the D.A.R.E. programs are run by guys with guns.... By the way, I am a libertarian leaning full 2nd amendment supporting nut job. I'm just smart enough to know there are some problems we can't solve as individuals and taxes in and of themselves are not the problem.
It's too bad they don't love their tax dollars as much as they say then. Instead of proven ways to reduce crime, like Head Start and drug intervention programs, they instead want to take $$$ from those things and give it to things like more prisons (and more privately run prisons of course) and D.A.R.E. programs, even though there is no empirical evidence that shows prisons and D.A.R.E. are effective and decades of evidence that show Head Start and alternative sentence programs ARE effective. Of all the things that rankle me the one I hate most (OK after underachieving Notre Dame hockey teams) is hypocrisy. And it is nothing but hypocrisy to scream about federal funding of Head Start and not scream equally loudly about the ineffectiveness of D.A.R.E. But wait a minute, the D.A.R.E. programs are run by guys with guns.... By the way, I am a libertarian leaning full 2nd amendment supporting nut job. I'm just smart enough to know there are some problems we can't solve as individuals and taxes in and of themselves are not the problem.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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I must be the only person on the planet to have never seen Footloose. It's not on purpose, either -- it's just never crossed my path.
I must be the only person on the planet to have never seen Footloose. It's not on purpose, either -- it's just never crossed my path.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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When I was at Stanford I knew a couple visiting scholars from Europe who were at Hoover. They were quite right-leaning. They couldn't understand why the American right was so broadly against programs like Head Start (to this day still the gold standard for poverty reduction, despite having its funding choked off in large part because it was working and gave the lie to the GOP's "social programs doesn't work" BS). They felt those programs were actually quite conservative, because they concentrated on opportunity rather than result. They also felt, because they were staunch anti-communists, that early education and child care were the best ways to short-circuit leftist radicalism by "taking the edge off" the free market (the idea being that people instinctively recoil from an economic system that dooms children who never had a chance).
When I was at Stanford I knew a couple visiting scholars from Europe who were at Hoover. They were quite right-leaning. They couldn't understand why the American right was so broadly against programs like Head Start (to this day still the gold standard for poverty reduction, despite having its funding choked off in large part because it was working and gave the lie to the GOP's "social programs doesn't work" BS). They felt those programs were actually quite conservative, because they concentrated on opportunity rather than result. They also felt, because they were staunch anti-communists, that early education and child care were the best ways to short-circuit leftist radicalism by "taking the edge off" the free market (the idea being that people instinctively recoil from an economic system that dooms children who never had a chance).
Handyman
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I just finally got my girlfriend to watch it...it took a lot of shaming from me and her family/friends
I just finally got my girlfriend to watch it...it took a lot of shaming from me and her family/friends
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
It's a typical 80's teenager movie. This time it pits a Chicago boy whose mother moves him to a rural Indiana(?) town where a very conservative church has taken control of the town's social structure; John Lithgow plays the pator. One of the things that his character was able to have enacted into city ordinance is a ban on public dances. Chicago boy Kevin Bacon doesn't like that, adding to his big-city-fish-out-of-water protagonist rubbing up against the small-town-status-quo antagonists.
It's a typical 80's teenager movie. This time it pits a Chicago boy whose mother moves him to a rural Indiana(?) town where a very conservative church has taken control of the town's social structure; John Lithgow plays the pator. One of the things that his character was able to have enacted into city ordinance is a ban on public dances. Chicago boy Kevin Bacon doesn't like that, adding to his big-city-fish-out-of-water protagonist rubbing up against the small-town-status-quo antagonists.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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The only important question is, is the love interest cute?
The only important question is, is the love interest cute?
WeAreNDHockey
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It's an ugly thought but I believe many on the far right in this country DON'T recoil from a system that dooms children who never had a chance, unless one of those children eventually sticks a gun in their faces if they happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Since the vast majority of violent crime is poor versus poor urban crime, many on the right don't actually experience it in any other place than on their TV, computer or devise screens. Like I said an ugly thought to consider but I can't come up with any other logical explanation for why they believe funding for things that have been proven to work is money poorly spent.
It's an ugly thought but I believe many on the far right in this country DON'T recoil from a system that dooms children who never had a chance, unless one of those children eventually sticks a gun in their faces if they happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Since the vast majority of violent crime is poor versus poor urban crime, many on the right don't actually experience it in any other place than on their TV, computer or devise screens. Like I said an ugly thought to consider but I can't come up with any other logical explanation for why they believe funding for things that have been proven to work is money poorly spent.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Black people. That's why they don't like spending money on it.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
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Yes, she was, but not your type - Lori Singer. She was skinny back before it was the mainstream look that it is today in Hollywood, though not quite as skinny as today's youngsters in Hollywood - a still healthy looking skinny.
Yes, she was, but not your type - Lori Singer. She was skinny back before it was the mainstream look that it is today in Hollywood, though not quite as skinny as today's youngsters in Hollywood - a still healthy looking skinny.
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In 80's terms (i.e. big hair and about ten pounds of make-up).
In 80's terms (i.e. big hair and about ten pounds of make-up).
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