Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

[Old Pio]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

Reports seemed to suggest it was that 2007 incident where she responded to an inane question from him in Spanish.


(Which was clearly a devious plot by Sarah Palin).

Not much as far as "stimuli" are concerned. Perhaps she made a telepathic crack about losers who wear red thongs.

If this is all it takes to explain or rationalize an act of madness, then we're all in big trouble.

 

[walrus]

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Reports seemed to suggest it was that 2007 incident where she responded to an inane question from him in Spanish.


(Which was clearly a devious plot by Sarah Palin).

Or Fox news or Glenn Beck, or Rush or......

 

[Foxton]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

Tell us what the stimuli was?

I thought I went on to mention the political climate of us vs. them. Let me go back and check to see if that's still there, I'll get back to you.

 

[walrus]

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I thought I went on to mention the political climate of us vs. them. Let me go back and check to see if that's still there, I'll get back to you.

So you actually think he paid attention to that? From what I've heard his friends didn't think so

 

[Foxton]

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So you actually think he paid attention to that? From what I've heard his friends didn't think so

Paid attention to what? That target thing? No I said it was the tone of the bickering back and forth. I mentioned the target to give an example of people pointing to ridiculus minutia to show why this person or that person helped bring about this. It's the sum of everything, not just one part.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Paid attention to what? That target thing? No I said it was the tone of the bickering back and forth. I mentioned the target to give an example of people pointing to ridiculus minutia to show why this person or that person helped bring about this. It's the sum of everything, not just one part.

So you honestly think the tone of the bickering back and forth had something to do with it? On what evidence?


And can you find a time when there wasn't bickering back and forth?

 

[walrus]

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Paid attention to what? .

The bickering. I'd say he was obsessed with a pretty young congresswoman

 

[Foxton]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

So you honestly think the tone of the bickering back and forth had something to do with it? On what evidence?

Only anecdotal, I'd put a strong emphasis on who he went after, and how such things usually are about politics.

And can you find a time when there wasn't bickering back and forth?

Nope.

 

[Priceless]

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And can you find a time when there wasn't bickering back and forth?

9/12

 

[Old Pio]

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You know, on a certain level you have to admire people who, despite the absence of any evidence, cling to their "Sarah Palin made him do it explanation," or some derivative there of. The evidence indicates because Ms. Giffords didn't or couldn't provide an acceptable answer to a crazy man's insane unintelligable question, the dude decided he had to kill her, and spent the next four years getting there. In addition, he also thought it would be a good idea to snuff out as many other lives as possible. And this behavior we want to attribute to "bickering?"

Well, "bickering" is the centerpiece of our political system. We "bicker" in TV spots, speeches, public appearances and debates. We "bicker" in our federal and our state legislatures. That's what a democracy is all about on some level, "bickering." And it really trivializes this horrendous event to call it the result of "bickering."

The fall back position here, once the slander of Palin has been completely repudiated, is to justify this impulse to blame everyone except thong boy, is "bickering." Enough, please enough.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Only anecdotal, I'd put a strong emphasis on who he went after, and how such things usually are about politics.

Nope.

What anecdotes though? All the ones I've seen really don't seem to point that way at all.

 

[Slap Shot]

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My only problem with Palin is that she can't win.

If that's your only problem with her then the bar has really been lowered. (No, I would not even begin to try and blame her for the AZ shooting.)

 

[Foxton]

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What anecdotes though? All the ones I've seen really don't seem to point that way at all.

He was into gov't conspiracies, he had an unreasonable thing for strict adherence to the constitution, he focused on a politician in a state that has had a lot of attention this past year. (Yes he had a thing with her from before that but he also didn't do anything up until earlier this month.)

Most of us here are not obsessed with politics... but I would hazard to guess that we all are exposed to some form of the right and left political media machine especially if you're at all interested in politics. Yet we're supposed to believe that this guy had little to no contact with it as one of his friends said? That's as contradictory as his youtube book list.

So here is an unstable guy who is interested in the gov't and politics to some extent, observing things in one of the most highly political and partisan times in his life, before going out to kill a politician. It seems pretty reasonable that the media that works off of sensationalism and controversy might have played just tiny bit in influencing his actions.

It's not even possible to have a reasonable discussion about this on any highly visible level without the opposite "side" jumping on simple words used to describe things. Inflammatory words like also and quickly.

 

[Patman]

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It's not even possible to have a reasonable discussion about this on any highly visible level without the opposite "side" jumping on simple words used to describe things. Inflammatory words like also and quickly.

Words imply things and imbue meaning... and of course if you spend most of your life and career in writing they tend to be picky about such things.

 

[Old Pio]

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He was into gov't conspiracies, he had an unreasonable thing for strict adherence to the constitution, he focused on a politician in a state that has had a lot of attention this past year. (Yes he had a thing with her from before that but he also didn't do anything up until earlier this month.)

Most of us here are not obsessed with politics... but I would hazard to guess that we all are exposed to some form of the right and left political media machine especially if you're at all interested in politics. Yet we're supposed to believe that this guy had little to no contact with it as one of his friends said? That's as contradictory as his youtube book list.

So here is an unstable guy who is interested in the gov't and politics to some extent, observing things in one of the most highly political and partisan times in his life, before going out to kill a politician. It seems pretty reasonable that the media that works off of sensationalism and controversy might have played just tiny bit in influencing his actions.

It's not even possible to have a reasonable discussion about this on any highly visible level without the opposite "side" jumping on simple words used to describe things. Inflammatory words like also and quickly.

In this spasm of speculation, guesswork, question-begging and Magic 8-Ball consultations, where does posing naked in a red thong with a gun in your crack fit in? As to your pointless question about "also" and "quickly," it's called context dear boy, context.

 

[Proud2baLaker]

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In this spasm of speculation, guesswork, question-begging and Magic 8-Ball consultations, where does posing naked in a red thong with a gun in your crack fit in? As to your pointless question about "also" and "quickly," it's called context dear boy, context.

Ok, Ive read the article you posted earlier about the pictures he took of himself. Now I agree the guy is crazy but they never said in that article that he had a gun in his crack. It was near it but not in it. Just curious if you heard or read that somewhere else.

 

[WeWantMore]

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If that's your only problem with her then the bar has really been lowered. (No, I would not even begin to try and blame her for the AZ shooting.)

Excellent. Name some problems with her. And keep in mind we were talking in the context of the Republican nominee for president.

 

[Foxton]

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In this spasm of speculation, guesswork, question-begging and Magic 8-Ball consultations, where does posing naked in a red thong with a gun in your crack fit in? As to your pointless question about "also" and "quickly," it's called context dear boy, context.

You know that's a wonderful question and I'm sure it keeps you up really late at night while you think long and hard about it.

 

[walrus]

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Excellent. Name some problems with her. And keep in mind we were talking in the context of the Republican nominee for president.

She is not very well spoken. She isn't the brightest bulb on the tree. Fiscally conservative? I doubt it. Socially conservative, over the top.

 

[WeWantMore]

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She is not very well spoken. She isn't the brightest bulb on the tree. Fiscally conservative? I doubt it. Socially conservative, over the top.

Right, I guess I lumped the first two into her not being able to win. Though some might take issue with the intelligence thing, I don't know enough to judge either way frankly.

As to her fiscal conservativism, fair enough to have doubts, but again, we're talking in comparison to the other candidates. I'd say she's to the right of Obamacare-lite fan Mitt Romney, and Christian Democrat Mike Huckabee.