Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

He means her handlers, doesn't he? Like she even has clue other than cashing in

I agree. She had no idea what she was saying and her "writer" for her video response put that in there. She's going to get the fallout though.

 

[geezer]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

This grammatical disaster just might be slightly less important than you're all making it out to be. I heard Limbaugh using the same phrase in the same way on Monday (he was also blamed for the shootings) and to be honest, while I'm fairly literate, child-sacrifice accusations never came to mind. I assumed he meant "blood libel" in the sense that he was being wrongly accused of murders he had nothing to do with, same as Palin.

Or maybe you're right, and the world is ending.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

This grammatical disaster just might be slightly less important than you're all making it out to be. I heard Limbaugh using the same phrase in the same way on Monday (he was also blamed for the shootings) and to be honest, while I'm fairly literate, child-sacrifice accusations never came to mind. I assumed he meant "blood libel" in the sense that he was being wrongly accused of murders he had nothing to do with, same as Palin.

Or maybe you're right, and the world is ending.

So, in other words, again, the Right gets to redefine words however they want whenever they want?

I suppose.

I had not heard that Rushbo used the term, but I'm not surprised.

You've made O'Reilly's argument for him though. Good work.

 

[Priceless]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

So, in other words, again, the Right gets to redefine words however they want whenever they want?

I suppose.

I had not heard that Rushbo used the term, but I'm not surprised.

You've made O'Reilly's argument for him though. Good work.

Words are only important when they're used by important people, like the Dixie Chicks.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

Words are only important when they're used by important people, like the Dixie Chicks.

No kidding. That's a great reference for this discussion.

Just realized now that Giffords is Jewish. I wonder how that's going to be spun.

 

[trucker]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

Excellent response to Palin's missive from Congresswoman Gifford's cousin:

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2011/01/11/dear-sarah-palincousin-cong-giffords-speaks

As I am sure you are now aware, Congresswoman Giffords herself had expressed concern about your map in particular. She said: “We need to realize that the rhetoric, and the firing people up and ... for example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, the way she has it depicted, we're in the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they've got to realize that there are consequences to that action...”

Your response so far, has been to defend the images and language you use. In an e-mail to Mr. Glenn Beck you said, “Our children will not have peace if politicos just capitalize on this to succeed in portraying anyone as inciting terror and violence.”

Ms. Palin, the moment calls for more than this. I am a strong supporter of the First Amendment and of your right to defend your words and to challenge those who seek to connect them to the assassination attempt and murders in Tucson, Arizona. I also know that there is often a very long distance between words and actions.

But even if your map and your language had nothing to do with these murders or any others that might occur in the future, a compassionate response would acknowledge that possibility and indicate a willingness, in her honor, in honor of the people who died, to consider this concern.

 

[geezer]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

So, in other words, again, the Right gets to redefine words however they want whenever they want?

No, I'm just saying that I doubt most people know the etymology of the phrase, and are unlikely to be up in arms about it without the media's prodding. (translation: whoop-de-doo)
I actually think that by concentrating all their energy on taking out Palin and "talk radio" over this (the former being fully capable of discrediting herself, without the assist), the Democrats are missing an excellent argument for new gun controls. And I say that as a gun owner.
How an armed hero nearly shot the wrong man

edit: I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize for my thoughtless and inappropriate use of the archaic phrase "up in arms". As you all know, such language incites people to go out and shoot others. My bad.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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No, I'm just saying that I doubt most people know the etymology of the phrase, and are unlikely to be up in arms about it without the media's prodding. (translation: whoop-de-doo)
I actually think that by concentrating all their energy on taking out Palin and "talk radio" over this (the former being fully capable of discrediting herself, without the assist), the Democrats are missing an excellent argument for new gun controls. And I say that as a gun owner.
How an armed hero nearly shot the wrong man

You could be right. But, I doubt it. Gun control legislation would never get through the current House. The law that is real relevant here and never should have expired is the expanded magazine one. That's on Bush for signing it. Peoples lives could have been saved if he had a normal clip cause as soon as he ran out of ammo he was jumped by some heroic people.

We knew long before this that the expanded magazine's could cause this kind of carnage.

 

[Kepler]

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I actually think that by concentrating all their energy on taking out Palin and "talk radio" over this (the former being fully capable of discrediting herself, without the assist), the Democrats are missing an excellent argument for new gun controls. And I say that as a gun owner.
How an armed hero nearly shot the wrong man

Well, the "concentrating on Palin" meme has been played to death. Palin's whole routine is "Look at me! Look at me! Hey, why are you looking at me?"

I think the Dems have all but given up on gun control as one of those issues where the 75% who agree with you are mellow about it but the 25% who disagree with you are rabid, so there's no percentage in it.

I have never seen a "I'm for gun control and I vote" bumper sticker.

 

[geezer]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

Someone googled it.

 

[WeWantMore]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

This grammatical disaster just might be slightly less important than you're all making it out to be. I heard Limbaugh using the same phrase in the same way on Monday (he was also blamed for the shootings) and to be honest, while I'm fairly literate, child-sacrifice accusations never came to mind. I assumed he meant "blood libel" in the sense that he was being wrongly accused of murders he had nothing to do with, same as Palin.

Or maybe you're right, and the world is ending.

I agree with that, and I'm hardly outraged about it. My issue is that I just don't think it was a terribly savvy thing for Palin to do. As someone on MSNBC just said, it's a 1400 word statement, and by using those two words, she allowed that to be the focus, when the rest of the statement is actually decent. Even if the term is relatively commonplace, some common sense would have been nice. Some aide saying, hey let's use a different word here.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Someone googled it.

All those references are so obscure it's no wonder I had never heard the term before. When I read it today I immediately started looking it up because I wanted to know what it meant.

Case in point. The bigger the stage the more "careful" you should be.

And WeWantMore is right. The statement overall was pretty good but all anyone is EVER going to talk about now are those two words. I've always thought/said that context matters.

 

[trucker]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

What bothers me more about her statement than that term is how she says people "are blaming her" for the incident. No one with an ounce of credibility is blaming her and anyone who is should be called out. People are raising the possibility that her words and images could be a contributing factor that might push a nutcase over the edge. To totally dismiss this possibility is ignorant.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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What bothers me more about her statement than that term is how she says people "are blaming her" for the incident. No one with an ounce of credibility is blaming her and anyone who is should be called out. People are raising the possibility that her words and images could be a contributing factor that might push a nutcase over the edge. To totally dismiss this possibility is ignorant.

Exactly. But, no one plays the persecution complex better than Sarah, Rush, or O'Reilly. No one.

 

[geezer]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

What bothers me more about her statement than that term is how she says people "are blaming her" for the incident. No one with an ounce of credibility is blaming her and anyone who is should be called out. People are raising the possibility that her words and images could be a contributing factor that might push a nutcase over the edge. To totally dismiss this possibility is ignorant.

What really bothers me about Sarah Palin is, did you see those shoes she had on when she made her statement? Hideous! I don't know why Sarah Palin thinks she can get away with this sort of nonsense. Sarah Palin is ruining America by trying to get all the attention from everyone. What can we possibly do to make Sarah Palin shut up?

 

[Markt]

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No, I'm just saying that I doubt most people know the etymology of the phrase, and are unlikely to be up in arms about it without the media's prodding. (translation: whoop-de-doo)
I actually think that by concentrating all their energy on taking out Palin and "talk radio" over this (the former being fully capable of discrediting herself, without the assist), the Democrats are missing an excellent argument for new gun controls. And I say that as a gun owner.
How an armed hero nearly shot the wrong man
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Or, "Responsible gun owner properly identifies target, and subdues him without drawing his weapon."

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

What bothers me more about her statement than that term is how she says people "are blaming her" for the incident. No one with an ounce of credibility is blaming her and anyone who is should be called out. People are raising the possibility that her words and images could be a contributing factor that might push a nutcase over the edge. To totally dismiss this possibility is ignorant.

Glad hear you think Nobel laureat Paul Krugman doesn't have "an ounce of credibility," since he began blogging about Palin's "responsibility" here even before we knew for certain Ms. Giffords had survived. The problem with "raising the possibility that her words and images could be a contributing factor, etc etc" is its selectivity. Who's first on the list the lefties want to smear? Why, Sarah Palin, of course. So let's indict her as "responsible" because she uses the same language and symbols as every other politician does. Yeah, that'll fix her. Besides, there's no evidence any nutball anywhere was ever was "pushed over the edge" by anything any politician said or wrote.

Hinkley wanted Reagan dead because of Jodie Foster. Mark Chapman wanted John Lennon dead because he thought he was the Catcher in the Rye. What should be do about that? You volunteering to be the dude who gets to monitor our culture for "violations" of whatever rules we put in place, stupidly thinking we can outsmart the next psychopath?

 

[Old Pio]

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Exactly. But, no one plays the persecution complex better than Sarah, Rush, or O'Reilly. No one.

Sharpton? Jackson? Any friggin' Kennedy, born or unborn?

 

[trucker]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

Glad hear you think Nobel laureat Paul Krugman doesn't have "an ounce of credibility," since he began blogging about Palin's "responsibility" here even before we knew for certain Ms. Giffords had survived. The problem with "raising the possibility that her words and images could be a contributing factor, etc etc" is its selectivity. Who's first on the list the lefties want to smear? Why, Sarah Palin, of course. So let's indict her as "responsible" because she uses the same language and symbols as every other politician does. Yeah, that'll fix her. Besides, there's no evidence any nutball anywhere was ever was "pushed over the edge" by anything any politician said or wrote.

Hinkley wanted Reagan dead because of Jodie Foster. Mark Chapman wanted John Lennon dead because he thought he was the Catcher in the Rye. What should be do about that? You volunteering to be the dude who gets to monitor our culture for "violations" of whatever rules we put in place, stupidly thinking we can outsmart the next psychopath?

If she hadn't put a "scope" over Gifford's district we wouldn't be having this conversation.

And is it too much to ask of a Presidential candidate to use responsible langauge and imagery?

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

Well, the "concentrating on Palin" meme has been played to death. Palin's whole routine is "Look at me! Look at me! Hey, why are you looking at me?"

I think the Dems have all but given up on gun control as one of those issues where the 75% who agree with you are mellow about it but the 25% who disagree with you are rabid, so there's no percentage in it.

I have never seen a "I'm for gun control and I vote" bumper sticker.

D*mn that pesky second amendment