Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

[Humanoid]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

IIRC, that endowment is the sum total of EVERY asset on the campus (facilities, staff positions, lab equipment, everything.) Almost all of it is earmarked for individual purposes. You can't use that money for other purposes without big important people getting all litigate-y and authorities getting all misappropriation of funds-y.

Your net worth is $500K, but $450K is your house and another $30K is your car, appliances, etc. And technically, they're held in trust as a gift so you can't even borrow against them. You just got slapped with a $100K judgment. Have fun.

The section on levies and fines on this website discusses if the money's coming out of athletics, if it will have any impact on the Pegula Ice Rink or other renovations. Pretty comprehensive look at the whole scandal's sanctions as well.

http://excalibursportspage.com/2012/07/23/the-penn-state-file/

 

[KnowItAll]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

On the other hand, say goodbye to some academic programs.



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gee, maybe the football coaches could be paid what a football coach SHOULD be paid... in a world where football is not on an altar.

and where does the NCAA get off telling Penn State that they need to put the interests of kids ahead of football?

do they really put the interests of the illiterate graduates ahead of the all mighty dollar?
really?

I personally know three completely illiterate student athletes, and my sister was a tutor/room procter for UofArizona basketball, she can name more than three.

 

[KnowItAll]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

Just my 10,000 ft view of the issues, I think a lot of people are guilty of many things in this situation. My point was the American culture shift to "guilty until proven innocent". I have no doubt that some crimes have been committed, but I don't support the fact that so many aspects of this process are putting the cart ahead of the horse. And no, I never attended PSU, I don't care about PSU but I think even the worst criminal has rights. Trust me, I would have every reason to hate PSU when it comes to college hockey because if there was no PSU, none of what we saw unfold in the world of hockey during the last 12 months would have come to pass.

In short, I feel that today's culture has gone back to the days of the Salem witch trials. Burn them now and ask questions about who is really guilty of what later. Grab your torches and pitchfoks. Bring your crowbar and tear down the statues. Serve up the death penalty. Get the wreckingball and tear down the stadium... and with only part of the story in your hands. In today's world of the Internet, email, Twitter, etc, everyone wants to play judge and jury as soon as they have 10% of the information regarding any situation.

Ryan J

you said it all.
how many of us actually know what happened with Skittles Hoodie and the son of the judge??? and then how many of have an opinion... and a strong opinion?

 

[KnowItAll]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

This is nothing like the day care molestation trials, which hinged on the testimony of young children coached to give the "correct" answers. I'm pretty sure that every victim (and probably every witness) who testified against Sandusky was an adult - totally different ballgame. His convictions will not be overturned.

and not all of the convictions in the Fells Acres day care were overturned.
a guilty verdict does not mean he did it, and a not guilty means that the state did not prove its case.... oj

 

[KnowItAll]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

He was convicted on 48 counts in a court of law, and none of his rights were violated. With the convictions, he's now lost most of those rights. So please, save it.

why does he have to save it?
cause you said?
come on, people, learn to discuss things and share ideas.
(I can just see the "oh no you dii int", so I figure I am wasting key strokes on you)

 

[Dirty]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

gee, maybe the football coaches could be paid what a football coach SHOULD be paid... in a world where football is not on an altar.

and where does the NCAA get off telling Penn State that they need to put the interests of kids ahead of football?

do they really put the interests of the illiterate graduates ahead of the all mighty dollar?
really?

I personally know three completely illiterate student athletes, and my sister was a tutor/room procter for UofArizona basketball, she can name more than three.

I like that you don't know how to spell proctor.

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

why does he have to save it?
cause you said?
come on, people, learn to discuss things and share ideas.
(I can just see the "oh no you dii int", so I figure I am wasting key strokes on you)

I think the time for discussing whether or not Sandusky is innocent or guilty has come and gone. He was found guilty in a court of law. I think "discussion" on whether or not the victims were faking/lying about the allegations to get money is tasteless in my opinion.

 

[willythekid]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

I think the time for discussing whether or not Sandusky is innocent or guilty has come and gone. He was found guilty in a court of law. I think "discussion" on whether or not the victims were faking/lying about the allegations to get money is tasteless in my opinion.

Bingo.

 

[altazo]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

I don't know if all this will affect PSU hockey or not. I imagine in some round about way it has to.

I just hope all the NCAA sanctions and penalties were made completely clear to that Sandusky loser today so he can think about it for the rest of his life. I honestly doubt he feels bad about the children he hurt, but probably feels terrible that he hurt the homoerotic program that allowed him to prey on them.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

I like that you don't know how to spell proctor.

can't make this **** up

 

[Skeeterman]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

I'm sure potential hockey recruits will be begging to play at infamous Penn state, in the not so happy valley.

 

[pgb-ohio]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

I don't know if all this will affect PSU hockey or not. I imagine in some round about way it has to.

Agreed. As a preliminary matter, I have my doubts as to whether "no cuts to other sports" is really enforceable. But even assuming that it is, I've got to believe that all PSU sports are looking at a pay freeze and a hiring freeze for the full five years. Getting any new budget item approved will probably be close to mission impossible. I'm not against the fine, but there's no question that countless innocent people will be hurt by it. Their only crime? Penn State was their employer or potential employer.

 

[4four4]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

We really never know if this scandal hurts the PSU hockey program. The only way they can go is up.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

Agreed. As a preliminary matter, I have my doubts as to whether "no cuts to other sports" is really enforceable. But even assuming that it is, I've got to believe that all PSU sports are looking at a pay freeze and a hiring freeze for the full five years. Getting any new budget item approved will probably be close to mission impossible. I'm not against the fine, but there's no question that countless innocent people will be hurt by it. Their only crime? Penn State was their employer or potential employer.

I'm sure there are many people that can say that their only crime was working for Enron, or WorldCom...this is no different. You work for scumbags, you'll probably get burned, even if you have no clue that they're scumbags.

 

[pgb-ohio]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

In general, I agree with your sentiment. But I am concerned about the employees from the lower part of the food chain. In the typical case, the guy has had one handshake with the University President, and no contact at all with the Football program. He truly had no clue, and there's nothing plausible he could have done differently.

Again, I'm not against the fine, regardless of the collateral damage. But those who are simply caught in the crossfire do have my sympathy, FWIW.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

Seriously, does it really matter from a hockey standpoint? Penn State is going to be a cellar dwellar in the Big Ten for the forseeable future either way.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

Dont know. Some analysts are calling this worse than a death penalty.

I get punishment. I get sending messages. The potential of taking down a school for a generation (or more) seems a bit much for the limited scale of the scandal. IMO too much collateral damage.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

Dont know. Some analysts are calling this worse than a death penalty.

I get punishment. I get sending messages. The potential of taking down a school for a generation (or more) seems a bit much for the limited scale of the scandal. IMO too much collateral damage.

Limited scale? The school harbored a child rapist for at least 14 years, almost suredly much longer than that (though possibly without knowledge before that). What would be worse? Serial killers? A terror cell? Seriously, this is almost as bad as it gets.

 

[bunt_q]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

Exactly. Harbored and enabled. The popularity of the Penn State football program was the lollipop factory that provided Sandusky his bait.

As for the collateral damage, I heard this comparison on the radio last night and it made perfect sense to me. Say a father of three commits a murder. His children are going to grow up without a father. They are collateral damage caught in the crossfire of their father's crime. But that doesn't mean we hesitate to punish. We don't even take his children into account at sentencing because the punishment and the victims are more important than the collateral damage. That's the situation with the players at Penn State today - they are the children left behind when the parents get punished.

 

[fangers]

Re: Any chance the Penn State scandal has an impact on hockey?

Agree with the reactions above to "limited scale". If this is limited, would hate to see what is considered "large scale".

And while I can emphasize with the players, they're being given more lattitude regarding their transfer options than players do when a coach jumps ship for another school or their school hit with other sanctions. And the fact that their potential new schools can get a waiver to exceed scholarship limits is something that wasn't offered the UAH guys when it was thought the program being dropped from DI.

And some thought I was off-base when I talked about the culture and the need for that culture to change - guess I wasn't the only one who thought that. In reference to the earlier question asked of me - what type of culture change would have to take place for me - I do think that the steps the new president and AD have taken are steps in the right direction, and coupled with the monitoring and other requirements levied by the NCAA I think the majority of my fears as a parent in that area would be addressed. Now how the fines and other loss of revenue affect the academics and hockey program are another question.