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America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies
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Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies
We could do retina scans and DNA testing also. I think the point is, how much documentation do you need before the cure becomes more trouble than the problem. If somebody is going to go through the trouble of faking their birth certificate, wouldn't they be just as likely to fake a photo ID?
More on the state public option:
http://www.politico.com/livepulse/1009/The_Carper_onepager.html?showall
Looks like states would apply to set up with some seed capital money, then would have to be self sufficient. Would need approval from gov and legislature. So, what other objections would there be to this?
We could do retina scans and DNA testing also. I think the point is, how much documentation do you need before the cure becomes more trouble than the problem. If somebody is going to go through the trouble of faking their birth certificate, wouldn't they be just as likely to fake a photo ID?
More on the state public option:
http://www.politico.com/livepulse/1009/The_Carper_onepager.html?showall
Looks like states would apply to set up with some seed capital money, then would have to be self sufficient. Would need approval from gov and legislature. So, what other objections would there be to this?
Handyman
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Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies
I never thought I would say this but...way to go Lindsey Graham!
I never thought I would say this but...way to go Lindsey Graham!
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies
is there a part of that bill which now allows states to print their own hard currency??
"One Barney Bill
Backed by the full faith and credit of the People's Republic of Massachusetts"
is there a part of that bill which now allows states to print their own hard currency??
"One Barney Bill
Backed by the full faith and credit of the People's Republic of Massachusetts"
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies
Why do we need the federal gov't to enact state law?!?!?! God, i mean, that's the big obvious one. Tenth amendment alone invalidates this one.
Why do we need the federal gov't to enact state law?!?!?! God, i mean, that's the big obvious one. Tenth amendment alone invalidates this one.
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies
A quick photo ID check is like a no brainer. It's not like its going to cost the gov't a bunch of money to implement. Heck, you have to show a photo ID to fly nowadays, and that's for US Citizens. What's the big deal about not wanting to do the extra step to try and verify an immigrant's status?
We could do retina scans and DNA testing also. I think the point is, how much documentation do you need before the cure becomes more trouble than the problem. If somebody is going to go through the trouble of faking their birth certificate, wouldn't they be just as likely to fake a photo ID?
A quick photo ID check is like a no brainer. It's not like its going to cost the gov't a bunch of money to implement. Heck, you have to show a photo ID to fly nowadays, and that's for US Citizens. What's the big deal about not wanting to do the extra step to try and verify an immigrant's status?
leswp1
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Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies
I understand what you are saying but how are you going to deal with all the people who do not have photo id like kids? Birth certificate covers everyone.
I understand what you are saying but how are you going to deal with all the people who do not have photo id like kids? Birth certificate covers everyone.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies
screw 'em!
screw 'em!
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies
My kids have passports, so we're good.
My kids have passports, so we're good.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies
C'mon Les
You know they aren't going to deal with it, come one come all
C'mon Les
You know they aren't going to deal with it, come one come all
leswp1
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Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies
I think I have managed a few rants in that direction: see previous posts. It is stupid. Why waste extra time and money for more documentation. Why aren't they talking about what they will do if someone isn't documented rather than fluffing around how to find out?
And Yay to Graham for voicing what needs to be said!
I think I have managed a few rants in that direction: see previous posts. It is stupid. Why waste extra time and money for more documentation. Why aren't they talking about what they will do if someone isn't documented rather than fluffing around how to find out?
And Yay to Graham for voicing what needs to be said!
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies
Ummm...sparky, its voluntary. The feds aren't forcing the states to do a public option. They're making some upfront capital available IF the governor and the legislature choose to do so. Again, what's the problem with that? Say you like in a state called Knuckledraggerland, with Gov. Neanderthal, Speaker Caveman and Senate President Neoconartist. Obviously for ideological reasons these people aren't going to enact a public option.
Photo ID is a right wing excuse to deny people something, be it health care, voting rights, etc. As has been said, everybody has a birth certificate. Unless there's massive instances of fraud that requires something additional for verification, what exactly is the point of adding more costs and layers of paperwork?
Ummm...sparky, its voluntary. The feds aren't forcing the states to do a public option. They're making some upfront capital available IF the governor and the legislature choose to do so. Again, what's the problem with that? Say you like in a state called Knuckledraggerland, with Gov. Neanderthal, Speaker Caveman and Senate President Neoconartist. Obviously for ideological reasons these people aren't going to enact a public option.
Photo ID is a right wing excuse to deny people something, be it health care, voting rights, etc. As has been said, everybody has a birth certificate. Unless there's massive instances of fraud that requires something additional for verification, what exactly is the point of adding more costs and layers of paperwork?
unofan
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Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies
It's more of an issue of some form of verification. I don't care what kind, and I'll take your word for it that they have to show a birth certificate.
But I still get a little wierded out when I show up to vote and just say my name and they check me off without any proof whatsoever that I am who I say I am. (They might ask me to confirm my address, but that's not exactly hard information to find/make up).
It's more of an issue of some form of verification. I don't care what kind, and I'll take your word for it that they have to show a birth certificate.
But I still get a little wierded out when I show up to vote and just say my name and they check me off without any proof whatsoever that I am who I say I am. (They might ask me to confirm my address, but that's not exactly hard information to find/make up).
Kepler
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Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies
Me too.
I understand the aversion to mandates of documentation -- an invitation to disenfranchisement in the form of endless polling station litigation (challenge everybody at polling stations in neighborhoods where you want to drive the vote down and just slow down the throughput).
But it does creep me out that anybody could claim to be me as long as they know my address.
Me too.
I understand the aversion to mandates of documentation -- an invitation to disenfranchisement in the form of endless polling station litigation (challenge everybody at polling stations in neighborhoods where you want to drive the vote down and just slow down the throughput).
But it does creep me out that anybody could claim to be me as long as they know my address.
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dropthatpuck
In Vino Veritas
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies
You really need to step outside of the Ministry of Truth for a little fresh air once in a while.
Everyone has photo ID and its the only way to demonstrate you are who you are. Any HS frosh that has messed with ID's can attest to this.
OTOH, leave it to the Dems to come up with "Motor Voter", et al, in order to recruit more of the weak-minded by promising utopia, jobs and all the mary jane you can smoke in a month - for FREE!!
ETA...and let's not forget ACORN and similar leftist efforts like handing out free smokes to bums on the street and nips of Jack to the peeps on reservations in exchange for votes.
You really need to step outside of the Ministry of Truth for a little fresh air once in a while.
Everyone has photo ID and its the only way to demonstrate you are who you are. Any HS frosh that has messed with ID's can attest to this.
OTOH, leave it to the Dems to come up with "Motor Voter", et al, in order to recruit more of the weak-minded by promising utopia, jobs and all the mary jane you can smoke in a month - for FREE!!
ETA...and let's not forget ACORN and similar leftist efforts like handing out free smokes to bums on the street and nips of Jack to the peeps on reservations in exchange for votes.
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moe24
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Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies
You have to be kidding me. I really hope you don't actually believe that. Photo ID is such a basic requirement for so many things in life. It's nothing more the proving you are who you say you are. It's not like anyone over 18 years old (who isn't a complete lazyass) doesn't have either a driver's license or a free state ID card.
You have to be kidding me. I really hope you don't actually believe that. Photo ID is such a basic requirement for so many things in life. It's nothing more the proving you are who you say you are. It's not like anyone over 18 years old (who isn't a complete lazyass) doesn't have either a driver's license or a free state ID card.
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies
You really need to take a vacation or have a stiff drink. You're way too wound up and I fear I may have to call the secret service on you again.
Regarding photo ID's Kep and Uno for voting, while its certainly possible to use someone else's address, the problem is how would you know if 1) that person already voted or 2) if they were in line behind you waiting to vote. Either way, you're under arrest if you get that wrong. Its certainly possible to do "cemetery voting" as in you impersonate a recently deceased person who's still on the rolls, but really, how widespread would anything like that be? You always hear stories but I'm not sure there's been too many actual cases. IIRC absentee ballots actually have a higher rate of fraud.
You really need to take a vacation or have a stiff drink. You're way too wound up and I fear I may have to call the secret service on you again.
Regarding photo ID's Kep and Uno for voting, while its certainly possible to use someone else's address, the problem is how would you know if 1) that person already voted or 2) if they were in line behind you waiting to vote. Either way, you're under arrest if you get that wrong. Its certainly possible to do "cemetery voting" as in you impersonate a recently deceased person who's still on the rolls, but really, how widespread would anything like that be? You always hear stories but I'm not sure there's been too many actual cases. IIRC absentee ballots actually have a higher rate of fraud.
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies
You're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist in any widespread form, so I question the true motives of anybody pushing this. Show me where massive amounts of fraudulent votes are making it into the system because of people without photo ID? You and people you know may have one, but not everybody does. Why then are we making it harder for people to exercise their right to vote? Say you do start requiring photo ID's. What photos are allowed? Only current licenses? What if you move from out of state? What if you move within a state? Usually they put a sticker on the back of your license with your new address, while the old one is still on the front. Do we then disqualify those people from voting???
On the other hand, some politicians push this for nefarious reasons. I'd rather not play into their hands.
You're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist in any widespread form, so I question the true motives of anybody pushing this. Show me where massive amounts of fraudulent votes are making it into the system because of people without photo ID? You and people you know may have one, but not everybody does. Why then are we making it harder for people to exercise their right to vote? Say you do start requiring photo ID's. What photos are allowed? Only current licenses? What if you move from out of state? What if you move within a state? Usually they put a sticker on the back of your license with your new address, while the old one is still on the front. Do we then disqualify those people from voting???
On the other hand, some politicians push this for nefarious reasons. I'd rather not play into their hands.
unofan
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Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies
It doesn't have to be widespread to have an effect. Between Bush in 2000 and Franken in 2008, when an election is settled by tenths, hundredths, or thousandths of a percent, every little bit helps. (Ignoring instances of widespread fraud like 1960 Chicago)
It just strikes me as odd that you need a photo ID to board a plane, may need one to buy a pizza (if paying by credit card), but then only need knowledge of 2 facts (name and address) to vote.
It's one thing if we're talking about small town or actual neighborhood voting, where the person manning the rolls really could know everyone and not need a photo ID. But in any city of actual size where a single polling station will see 10,000+ voters, seems like something more should be required.
It doesn't have to be widespread to have an effect. Between Bush in 2000 and Franken in 2008, when an election is settled by tenths, hundredths, or thousandths of a percent, every little bit helps. (Ignoring instances of widespread fraud like 1960 Chicago)
It just strikes me as odd that you need a photo ID to board a plane, may need one to buy a pizza (if paying by credit card), but then only need knowledge of 2 facts (name and address) to vote.
It's one thing if we're talking about small town or actual neighborhood voting, where the person manning the rolls really could know everyone and not need a photo ID. But in any city of actual size where a single polling station will see 10,000+ voters, seems like something more should be required.
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dropthatpuck
In Vino Veritas
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies
Please do. We all got a chuckle here in the office after your first call. Speaker phones are fun.
Please do. We all got a chuckle here in the office after your first call. Speaker phones are fun.
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