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brookyone said:
IMO, without actual hockey hierarchy of those nations mentioned as not being present actually being at the round table representing themselves in the grand scheme doesn't qualify as being represented. Let's have a labor / management summit...except with no labor present.

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I personally feel improvement would have a better chance if all nations were truly involved in this particular "summit" and any that may follow.
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I've tried to stay out of all the bickering for the most part, but I wholeheartedly concur with the sections of brooky's post that I quoted. Improvement among other nations isn't going to occur without their buy-in and commitment, and their lack of presence at this summit is disheartening. HC and USAH can talk about providing support to the other nations all they want... it won't mean a thing if said other nations don't make an investment themselves, and the summit would have been a good opportunity to discuss what types of investment they should plan or were planning to make.
 
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While everybody is simmering down.....:) here's a good read.

The initiative to place Female Hockey Players, both overseas & in North America is IMHO crucial to the growth of the Women's game globaly.

The grass roots approach has worked in hockey since day one. It's how we teach our kids to play.

If opportunities like these are made available going forward, both on our shores and theirs...I see no reason why the grassroots approach won't work here as well.


http://www.womenshockeylife.com/
 
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brookyone said:
Argument? :rolleyes: What argument? I asked a question to which I did not know the answer. Christ...looking for an argument so bad you have to imagine one? :)

IMO, without actual hockey hierarchy of those nations mentioned as not being present actually being at the round table representing themselves in the grand scheme doesn't qualify as being represented. Let's have a labor / management summit...except with no labor present (that's an analogy...;)). Thanks for the detailed explanation with the attitude included. I especially like the implication / tone of your response indicating I was in some way having difficulty understanding what you were saying. Not true. The reality is you didn't understand what I was getting at. I personally feel improvement would have a better chance if all nations were truly involved in this particular "summit" and any that may follow. That's an opinion...get it? As has been evident in a number of your posts, you greatly overestimate your own perspicacity vs. that of other forum members. :)


About what exactly? Was I feeling poorly about something? If you can elaborate on what that was I'd appreciate that.

The "we pay for it" comment is puzzling. Are you feeling sorry for yourself or something?
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Other countries don't get it. That's why the people that are here are trying to figure out a way to help them, and the game. Because they get it. Other countries will come into play later, trust me. ;) We don't want them around at this juncture. By the way, you're fun.:)
 
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NJCPolarBear said:
My question was really WHY do the US colleges import so many carpetbagger Canadians in the first place? Don't tell me "talent"...there is plenty of talent right here in the US...and even if there are not quite the #'s here...who cares? We're talking about a NON-REVENUE SPORT like women's hockey....what difference does it make?

Many countries have rules that limit "foreigners" from playing there...I know in Japan, they strictly limit the # of Americans who can play pro baseball [maybe 2 per team max]...and I even think the Cannucks limit the number of Americans who can play that stupid brand of Canadian Football [not that any decent player would want to play there anyway].

The point is WHY do we as taxpayers allow our college sports teams to be dominated [most D1 teams are HALF Cannuck, some are more than 50%] by non-citizens who have never paid a dime to create or fund that college...a pure one-way street. While many of our girls are then deprived of the chance to play college hockey. It's crazy.

Stay in Canada and build your own College program.
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Late reply to this foolish post....

College scouts look for the "best" players to compliment their rosters. It is simply a fact that a large number of premier players are Canadian. Yes, we are Canadian....my daughter was scouted at a US prep school. 29 D1 schools saw her play and recruited her and her nationality was not a criteria that they looked at. She was selected based on her skills, attitude and academic excellence. The only people having an issue with Canadian enrollment are those who don't meet skill level to play NCAA hockey.
 
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myStuff said:
Late reply to this foolish post....

College scouts look for the "best" players to compliment their rosters. It is simply a fact that a large number of premier players are Canadian. Yes, we are Canadian....my daughter was scouted at a US prep school. 29 D1 schools saw her play and recruited her and her nationality was not a criteria that they looked at. She was selected based on her skills, attitude and academic excellence. The only people having an issue with Canadian enrollment are those who don't meet skill level to play NCAA hockey.
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Hey myStuff, you have the right stuff. Better late than never....:)
 
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myStuff said:
Late reply to this foolish post....

College scouts look for the "best" players to compliment their rosters. It is simply a fact that a large number of premier players are Canadian. Yes, we are Canadian....my daughter was scouted at a US prep school. 29 D1 schools saw her play and recruited her and her nationality was not a criteria that they looked at. She was selected based on her skills, attitude and academic excellence. The only people having an issue with Canadian enrollment are those who don't meet skill level to play NCAA hockey.
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Sometimes you should let 'foolish posts' lie.

You are talking about your daughter. Of course she was picked for her skills, attitude and academic excellence, for you to think anything but this is virtually impossible.

Using your personal experience as proof of perfectly unbiased recruiting decisions in not relevant.

In no way do I support the original 'foolish' post either.
 
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sillywench said:
Sometimes you should let 'foolish posts' lie.

You are talking about your daughter. Of course she was picked for her skills, attitude and academic excellence, for you to think anything but this is virtually impossible.

Using your personal experience as proof of perfectly unbiased recruiting decisions in not relevant.

In no way do I support the original 'foolish' post either.
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Then tell us your biased point of view. :) Obviously you have something more to say , why not say it?
 
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CanHockGuy said:
Then tell us your biased point of view. :) Obviously you have something more to say , why not say it?
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Did that already.

The only reason I commented here is that I think there is *some* level of Canadian bias occurring and can't seem to leave anything alone that discounts its existence. That level may be pretty minor, but I am fairly convinced that it actually exists.

Time alone will likely verify or disprove my little theories. I have no hockey 'cred' so you can safely ignore me.

I'm just a hockey lover who years ago found the sheer number of Canadians on US College teams a fascinating phenomena. I've looked at it as many different ways that I can and think that these numbers can not be explained by skill levels alone.

There are many factors besides a 'completely objective judgement' of skills of that could influence the choice of a canadian player over a us player.

And NO, I am not saying the guy's daughter was a beneficiary of any Canadian bias!
 
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sillywench said:
The only reason I commented here is that I think there is *some* level of Canadian bias occurring and can't seem to leave anything alone that discounts its existence. That level may be pretty minor, but I am fairly convinced that it actually exists.
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OK I admit it. As a Canadian I'm biased towards favoring Canadians. :D
 
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sillywench said:
Did that already.

The only reason I commented here is that I think there is *some* level of Canadian bias occurring and can't seem to leave anything alone that discounts its existence. That level may be pretty minor, but I am fairly convinced that it actually exists.

Time alone will likely verify or disprove my little theories. I have no hockey 'cred' so you can safely ignore me.

I'm just a hockey lover who years ago found the sheer number of Canadians on US College teams a fascinating phenomena. I've looked at it as many different ways that I can and think that these numbers can not be explained by skill levels alone.

There are many factors besides a 'completely objective judgement' of skills of that could influence the choice of a canadian player over a us player.

And NO, I am not saying the guy's daughter was a beneficiary of any Canadian bias!
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It's simple.... Like I said a long time ago....better player. Not to insult any other nation. Any other nation. :)
 
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