All Things Denver, XXVIII

[vizoroo]

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Wondering why Jesse's transfer to Regions Hospital? Regions has a specialized Spine Center headed by Board Certified Neurological and Orthopedic Surgeons.
I don't know who Jesse's doctor is, but I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't his surgeon.
Dr Rick Davis spent six years as Chief of Spine Surgery at Vanderbilt University Department of Orthopedics in Nashville, TN.
Dr. Davis has performed over 3000 spine surgeries, ranging from complex revision spine surgery, spine trauma, and minimally invasive surgery.
Dr. Davis has a special interest and significant experience in cervical spine problems, degenerative lumbar conditions (spinal stenosis/disc herniations) as well as complex revision spine surgery (failed spine surgery) and spine trauma. Dr. Davis also provided spine care for the Nashville Predators (NHL), Olympic hockey players, and Division I baseball and football athletes.
Dr. Davis has been named to Best Doctors Best List, a national organization that identifies high quality physicians and has been recognized as a Top Doctor in Nashville by the International Association of Orthopedic Surgeons.

FYI: Best Doctors physicians are best-in-class medical specialists selected by their clinical peers. As of 2009, the program includes about 5 percent of physicians across the United States covering more than 46 specialties and 405 subspecialties of medicine. Best Doctors identifies the expert(s) best qualified to work on each case.

Information from Regions and Best Doctors websites.

 

[vizoroo]

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Win the Gold Pan tonight and Viz will use it to bake us all some peach cobbler. Yum.

Mamaw Barnhill would be proud to know her recipe would be used for such a noble purpose.

 

[Puck Swami]

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Wondering why Jesse's transfer to Regions Hospital?

First, I don't have any inside information, so I am speculating here, so here goes:

1) The Atlanta Thrashers are involved in the surgical decisions, which may have had an impact in the change in neuro teams. They hold Jesse's NHL rights, and if they were adamant about something or someone they wanted, I'm pretty sure they are likely to get it.

2) Surgeons, especially neurosurgeons, usually aren't shy about expressing ego or medical opinions. These surgeries are often done in teams of specialists, and for any number of reasons, they may have come to a team conclusion that a team change was in Jesse's best interest.

3) His doctor, according to 9News in Denver is Dr. Alejandro Mendez, a neurosurgeon who is originally from Chile, and trained at the University of Minnesota.
http://www.healthpartners.com/locator/practitioner/detail.do?personnelId=24472

Let's hope the surgery goes well.

 

[Old Pio]

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First, I don't have any inside information, so I am speculating here, so here goes:

1) The Atlanta Thrashers are involved in the surgical decisions, which may have had an impact in the change in neuro teams. They hold Jesse's NHL rights, and if they were adamant about something or someone they wanted, I'm pretty sure they are likely to get it.

2) Surgeons, especially neurosurgeons, usually aren't shy about expressing ego or medical opinions. These surgeries are often done in teams of specialists, and for any number of reasons, they may have come to a team conclusion that a team change was in Jesse's best interest.

3) His doctor, according to 9News in Denver is Dr. Alejandro Mendez, a neurosurgeon who is originally from Chile, and trained at the University of Minnesota.
http://www.healthpartners.com/locator/practitioner/detail.do?personnelId=24472

Let's hope the surgery goes well.

My father was a cardio/thoracic surgeon and was a firm believer in his own abilities. Think about it: you're going to lie down on a table and let some guy carve you open and take something out or rearrange something. This is not the time for somebody to be biting their lip wondering if they're up to it. This is a time for a guy to say: "I've done 400 of these, and 401 won't be a problem. Now gimme that knife."

The Thrashers can only have something to say about what will be done and by whom if Jesse and/or his parents allow it. They can recommend, as it appears they have done, but they have zero to say about it except in an advisory capacity. Perhaps they've strongly advised in favor of the new team. Perhaps somebody in this chain of decision has a problem with a surgeon from Chile. Perhaps the new team and/or hospital has a better reputation (my guess) in dealing with these kinds of injuries.

Practicing medicine for an athlete is different from the rest of us. Athletes want to resume their activities asap and some procedures may be used to help that process that wouldn't be applied to ordinary folks. In Jesse's case, I'm pretty sure he and his family would want to keep the option of getting back to hockey at least theoretically open. Remember Robbie Bina, and how he was determined to get back to hockey despite his injury. An average person would wave adios to his liesure activities if it gave him a better chance at a long term, complication free recovery. Athletes might be inclinced to take more of a chance. IIRC, Akins wanted to return to DU to play hockey and the university wouldn't permit it.

 

[Puck Swami]

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My father was a cardio/thoracic surgeon and was a firm believer in his own abilities. Think about it: you're going to lie down on a table and let some guy carve you open and take something out or rearrange something. This is not the time for somebody to be biting their lip wondering if they're up to it. This is a time for a guy to say: "I've done 400 of these, and 401 won't be a problem. Now gimme that knife."

The Thrashers can only have something to say about what will be done and by whom if Jesse and/or his parents allow it. They can recommend, as it appears they have done, but they have zero to say about it except in an advisory capacity. Perhaps they've strongly advised in favor of the new team. Perhaps somebody in this chain of decision has a problem with a surgeon from Chile. Perhaps the new team and/or hospital has a better reputation (my guess) in dealing with sports injuries.

Practicing medicine for an athlete is different from the rest of us. Athletes want to resume their activities asap and some procedures may be used to help that process that wouldn't be applied to ordinary folks. In Jesse's case, I'm pretty sure he and his family would want to keep the option of getting back to hockey at least theoretically open. Remember Robbie Bina, and how he was determined to get back to hockey despite his injury. An average person would wave adios to his liesure activities if it gave him a better chance at a long term, complication free recovery. Athletes might be inclinced to take more of a chance. IIRC, Akins wanted to return to DU to play hockey and the university wouldn't permit it.

The Chilean is the new surgeon, I believe. He's a Regions/Health Partners doctor, which is the new Hospital for Jesse in St. Paul. And I think the the Thrashers probably would hold significant weight in the decision, since Jesse wants to play again and Atlanta holds his rights. If my kid were an aspiring pro player, I'd sure be listening very carefully to the desires of his NHL rights holder's physicians...

 

[Old Pio]

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The Chilean is the new surgeon, I believe. He's a Regions/Health Partners doctor, which is the new Hospital for Jesse in St. Paul. And I think the the Thrashers probably would hold significant weight in the decision, since Jesse wants to play again and Atlanta holds his rights. If my kid were an aspiring pro player, I'd sure be listening very carefully to the desires of his NHL rights holder's physicians...

They don't get to call the shots. I guess where I'm differing with you is this business of them "holding Jesse's rights." That gives them no special status and certainly gives them no rights in deciding how Jesse should be treated. They can advise and his parents can take their advice or not as they see fit. Experience, particularly in these kinds of injuries, with such huge potential downside, is the currency of the realm. As I say, my guess is Atlanta strongly recommended the new guys on the basis of their track record. But I doubt Jesse's parents are feeling any pressure to follow a course of treatment primarily because it would please the Thrashers. And I also doubt the Thrashers would recommend anything not in Jesse's best interests. I can't imagine anybody involved here has any agenda other than getting this young man up and around with no lingering after effects and an unlimited future.

 

[du78]

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Some interesting interviews from the Denver Post prior to last night's game.

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[vizoroo]

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Interview with Jesse's doctor. It's on on Jesse's thread.
Thanks to Driftryder for this video.


http://www.kare11.com/video/default...ting+hit/48173211001/48322959001/663078603001

 

[Old Pio]

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Interview with Jesse's doctor. It's on on Jesse's thread.
Thanks to Driftryder for this video.


http://www.kare11.com/video/default...ting+hit/48173211001/48322959001/663078603001

It's great to hear Jesse's voice, although he sounded like he'd been medicated (not exactly surprising) plus wearing that halo is torture. And from the doctor's remarks, it sounds like they think if things go as planned, Jesse can resume his hockey career. And that's a miracle. There will be some painful rehab involved, but he'll be up to it. Fingers crossed for tomorrow.

 

[vizoroo]

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Joe Colborne got 2 goals last night in a Providence OT victory over Kevin Dineen's Portland Pirates. Big Joe is now 3-5-8 +6

 

[Pablo]

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So uhhhh......What happened last night? Not a word about a 9-2 shellacking? I wasn't able to listen to the game, because some genius decided that DU should broadcast their games on a radio station (87.7) that doesn't even exist on many radios (including mine).

It sounds like CC came to play, and DU was maybe emotionally spent??? It's disappointing to lose in that manner, particularly when the talent gap between the two teams seemed so large on Friday night. I guess with college hockey, you just have to throw certain assumptions out the window, and just wait to see what happens.

So I think we're .500 after the brutal schedule. All things considered, it's not a bad place to be. A few impressive victories under the belt to demonstrate the team's potential. Plus, a couple of good learning experiences (i.e., butt kickings) to make the team realize that they still have much to work on. GO PIONEERS!

 

[Old Pio]

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So uhhhh......What happened last night? Not a word about a 9-2 shellacking? I wasn't able to listen to the game, because some genius decided that DU should broadcast their games on a radio station (87.7) that doesn't even exist on many radios (including mine).

It sounds like CC came to play, and DU was maybe emotionally spent??? It's disappointing to lose in that manner, particularly when the talent gap between the two teams seemed so large on Friday night. I guess with college hockey, you just have to throw certain assumptions out the window, and just wait to see what happens.

So I think we're .500 after the brutal schedule. All things considered, it's not a bad place to be. A few impressive victories under the belt to demonstrate the team's potential. Plus, a couple of good learning experiences (i.e., butt kickings) to make the team realize that they still have much to work on. GO PIONEERS!

Swami says DU hit the wall last night, and I think we did, too. It's been such an emotional week, with so much uncertainty and concern, that getting smacked around didn't really register. Sort of like the scene in "Christmas Story" where Ralphie beats the crap out of Scut Farcus. He's like a man possessed. Then, when his mom comes to help him, he breaks down. I think we're a little like Ralphie.

Plus, I think we're all just waiting to hear how the surgery goes tmorrow and what Jesse's prognosis is.

 

[Dmann]

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So when will we know something? oh and bump!

 

[dggoddard]

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So when will we know something? oh and bump!

I signed Jesse's Banner for you and du78. I think you owe me a free sailboat ride in Maine someday.

Just based on the MSP Channel 11 video yesterday, the Chilian doctor seems to be very confident. I don't know if you caught the first sentence he said, but it was something like "This [injury] was nasty for hockey." Possibly there could be language issue here, but I'd be interested to hear him expand on that statement. Does he mean that these kind of injuries are going to happen again? Because if that's what he's saying, then its totally unacceptable. Rule changes and safety equipment will have to be considered.


http://www.kare11.com/video/default....1/663078603001

 

[Dmann]

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I signed Jesse's Banner for you and du78. I think you owe me a free sailboat ride in Maine someday.

Thank you for that! I and I'm sure lots of us on this board have felt helpless. I saw that interview with the Chilean Doctor, unfortunately, I couldn't open the link this time. I found it encouraging that he was talking about playing hockey again!! Wow!! I can't wait to hear how the sugery went. Oh yes and a free charter is in order!

 

[Dmann]

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. I don't know if you caught the first sentence he said, but it was something like "This [injury] was nasty for hockey." Possibly there could be language issue here, but I'd be interested to hear him expand on that statement. Does he mean that these kind of injuries are going to happen again? Because if that's what he's saying, then its totally unacceptable. Rule changes and safety equipment will have to be considered.
http://www.kare11.com/video/default....1/663078603001

I just got the link and I think he was saying that even for hockey this was a nasty injury or hit. You could tell he has spent a lot of time in this country by some of the slang he was using such as "nasty' and when refering to the vertabrae, "this guy". So no, I didn't read any more into that. He probably studied in the US and picked up younger slang while here.

 

[du78]

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While we wait to hear about Jesse's surgery, I thought I'd throw in a little hockey talk. DU got through the grueling first 10 games at 4-4-2 with 8 games against NCAA tourney teams and 2 against their arch-rival, CC. A .500 record after the first 10 games was kind of where a lot of people thought this young DU team would be at. Coupled with the injuries, the .500 record was pretty good. The freshmen have been baptized by fire and have come through pretty good.

The next 10 games appear to be an easier part of the schedule.

Nov. 12-13 Minnesota State at home

Nov. 19-20 Bemidji State at home

Nov. 26-27 Denver Cup against Lake Superior State and Air Force

Dec. 3-4 Minnesota Duluth on the road

Dec. 10-11 Alaska Anchorage on the road

On paper, I see a possible 8 to 9 wins in the next 10 games. DU will have all their injured/ill players back within the next week or two except for Jesse. Minnesota Duluth will be the toughest opponent followed by Air Force. Winning 1 to 2 games against UMD and AFA is very possible. Minnesota State, Bemidji State and Alaska Anchorage are bottom dwellers in the WCHA and those 6 games are certainly winnable. LSSU is another bottom feeder in the CCHA, a win against them is also very possible. The next 10 games brings DU into the Christmas break. With a good possibility of 8 or 9 wins, DU could be 12-6-2 or 13-5-2 at Christmas. In the WCHA they could up their record from 3-2-1 to 10-3-1 by winning the 3 series against the lower division teams and splitting with Duluth. The talent is there and after the grueling 10 games to open the season, the young kids are well experienced already.

 

[dggoddard]

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I think the under/over for DU in the next 10 games would be 7-2-1. Matching that record or better would be a very good result. However, with the Martin situation they might stumble once or twice more than expected.

DU really looked naked on the PK without Martin out there this weekend against CC. You just always took for granted that #14 has been out there on almost every Penalty Kill for the last 3 1/4 seasons.

Its too bad that we can't slide Matt Donovan up to wing for the next few weeks and stick with our other six Dmen. I bet Dono would be a point a game player or better if he played offense.

 

[Old Pio]

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While we wait to hear about Jesse's surgery, I thought I'd throw in a little hockey talk. DU got through the grueling first 10 games at 4-4-2 with 8 games against NCAA tourney teams and 2 against their arch-rival, CC. A .500 record after the first 10 games was kind of where a lot of people thought this young DU team would be at. Coupled with the injuries, the .500 record was pretty good. The freshmen have been baptized by fire and have come through pretty good.

The next 10 games appear to be an easier part of the schedule.

Nov. 12-13 Minnesota State at home

Nov. 19-20 Bemidji State at home

Nov. 26-27 Denver Cup against Lake Superior State and Air Force

Dec. 3-4 Minnesota Duluth on the road

Dec. 10-11 Alaska Anchorage on the road

On paper, I see a possible 8 to 9 wins in the next 10 games. DU will have all their injured/ill players back within the next week or two except for Jesse. Minnesota Duluth will be the toughest opponent followed by Air Force. Winning 1 to 2 games against UMD and AFA is very possible. Minnesota State, Bemidji State and Alaska Anchorage are bottom dwellers in the WCHA and those 6 games are certainly winnable. LSSU is another bottom feeder in the CCHA, a win against them is also very possible. The next 10 games brings DU into the Christmas break. With a good possibility of 8 or 9 wins, DU could be 12-6-2 or 13-5-2 at Christmas. In the WCHA they could up their record from 3-2-1 to 10-3-1 by winning the 3 series against the lower division teams and splitting with Duluth. The talent is there and after the grueling 10 games to open the season, the young kids are well experienced already.

I like the way you think. It would be great to get Beau into the scoring mix--one of these days. . . . And this team needs some good news on Jesse to help get some closure on this unfortunate episode. The return of the injured and ill will provide a boost, of course. UMD will be tough, especially on their teeny tiny ice (for the last time).

You know, the more we read about Jesse's injury the clearer it becomes that he dodged a bullet. I guess we've known it all along, but seeing talk about paralysis gave me cold chills. I know we'll continue to send our thoughts and prayers to this remarkable young man who has represented us with such class as he begins his rehabilitation.

 

[vizoroo]

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DU is #15 on the USCHO poll and #16 on the INCM rankings.
I suppose a drop was to be expected considering we were embarassed by CC Saturday night, but I like to think Friday night was more like the DU team we will see the rest of the season.

It will be intersting to see the line combinations when we have most of the players back on the ice.