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2nd Term Part XI; Year 8, Part 1... Electioneering and Lame Ducking

Re: 2nd Term Part XI; Year 8, Part 1... Electioneering and Lame Ducking

Kepler said:
Real tax reform will bring it back down. The Middle Class grew under high progressive taxation and it shrank under Reagan-and-after low taxation.

Sometimes the truth is simple. The brainwashing of an entire generation of non-wealthy conservatives foisted a fiscal policy on all of us that merely moved middle class private wealth into wealthy private pockets. We've known how to reverse that for three decades; we just don't have the votes. Someday, we will. It's only a matter of how much damage the plutes can continue to do, and how much longer they can fool their foot soldiers before they get wise.

But eventually the non-wealthy right is going to figure it out. And they are going to be EXTREMELY angry.
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The non-wealthy right has already figured it out. They're just waiting for the non-wealthy left.

Think about it.

The non-wealthy white have already concluded that it doesn't matter who is in power, they are going to get raped by The Man, a collective into which they place the wealthy/Wall Street and government.

So, if you believe that, who are you going to vote for? The person who says I'm going to keep immigrants out (competitors for your job), I'm going to cut taxes, I'm going to cut down the size of government (i.e., the cost of public employees) and I'm going to get government off your back (which they interpret as at least giving them a fighting chance), OR, are you going to vote for someone who believes government can save you from all the evils of the world (it hasn't yet, why should I believe it will in the future), who wants to expand government and government regulation, and who is in favor of higher taxes and who generally wants to tell you how you should live, how you should operate your small business, and whether you can own a gun?

Not surprising Trump has supporters.
 
Re: 2nd Term Part XI; Year 8, Part 1... Electioneering and Lame Ducking

SJHovey said:
The non-wealthy right has already figured it out. They're just waiting for the non-wealthy left.

Think about it.

The non-wealthy white have already concluded
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Freudian slip?
 
Re: 2nd Term Part XI; Year 8, Part 1... Electioneering and Lame Ducking

Kepler said:
That's trickier. There is no statutory guidance because there really can't be. A nominee is just beholden to the rules of the party which is itself just a private club. The Democratic party by-laws say the DNC decides. The DNC could do anything it wanted to, in theory.
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Want a real Constitutional mess that's happened in the last ten years?

Remember this "oaf of office"?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...akes-oath-after-mistakes-at-inauguration.html

So Obama messed that up on first attempt, and before Biden took the VP oath, Bush and Cheney were relieved of office Constitutionally at noon Jan 20, and the 20th Amendment, Article II, provides when a President and VP fail to qualify (and that means take the official oath) the succession act sequence triggers. So, following that ...

If the Speaker (Pelosi) would've resigned, she'd have become President. That didn't happen.

So then if the Pres Pro Tempore of the Senate (Byrd) would've resign he'd have become President. Didn't happen either.

So there was a brief window, just after noon on Jan 20, 2009 where there's this void: Bush and Cheney are done per the Constitution; Obama messed up the oath; Biden hasn't taken it; Pelosi and Byrd didn't resign their positions in Congress.

Who's next in succession? SecState.

Well, meet the first black, the first woman, President of the United States: Condoleezza Rice. :D

She was succeeded by Biden who did execute his VP oath successfully before Obama had his do-over* and became President.


*There has to be a teleprompter joke in there somewhere. :D
 
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Re: 2nd Term Part XI; Year 8, Part 1... Electioneering and Lame Ducking

Kepler said:
No. First I heard about it, actually.

I'm sure the RWNJ were totally not racist about it.
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Just because it's the first you've heard of it doesn't mean ... ;)

So the RWNJ were racist because they were about putting a black woman into the Presidency? Got it. Check-check. :rolleyes:
 
The Sicatoka said:
Want a real Constitutional mess that's happened in the last ten years?

Remember this "oaf of office"?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...akes-oath-after-mistakes-at-inauguration.html

So Obama messed that up on first attempt, and before Biden took the VP oath, Bush and Cheney were relieved of office Constitutionally at noon Jan 20, and the 20th Amendment, Article II, provides when a President and VP fail to qualify (and that means take the official oath) the succession act sequence triggers. So, following that ...

If the Speaker (Pelosi) would've resigned, she'd have become President. That didn't happen.

So then if the Pres Pro Tempore of the Senate (Byrd) would've resign he'd have become President. Didn't happen either.

So there was a brief window, just after noon on Jan 20, 2009 where there's this void: Bush and Cheney are done per the Constitution; Obama messed up the oath; Biden hasn't taken it; Pelosi and Byrd didn't resign their positions in Congress.

Who's next in succession? SecState.

Well, meet the first black, the first woman, President of the United States: Condoleezza Rice. :D

She was succeeded by Biden who did execute his VP oath successfully before Obama had his do-over* and became President.


*There has to be a teleprompter joke in there somewhere. :D
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Problem:
The VP oath is administered before the President's.
 
Re: 2nd Term Part XI; Year 8, Part 1... Electioneering and Lame Ducking

Kepler said:
Real tax reform will bring it back down. The Middle Class grew under high progressive taxation and it shrank under Reagan-and-after low taxation.

Sometimes the truth is simple. The brainwashing of an entire generation of non-wealthy conservatives foisted a fiscal policy on all of us that merely moved middle class private wealth into wealthy private pockets. We've known how to reverse that for three decades; we just don't have the votes. Someday, we will. It's only a matter of how much damage the plutes can continue to do, and how much longer they can fool their foot soldiers before they get wise.

But eventually the non-wealthy right is going to figure it out. And they are going to be EXTREMELY angry.
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The middle class grew when we bombed all of our competitions' ability to manufacture goods, their ability to transport goods, in the early 1940's meanwhile we were largely unaffected. This allowed us to grow our economy and worldwide economic dominance. Domestic workers were required to manufacture these goods, making the economy of the 40's through 70's much different than the one that followed, when the rest of the world finally started to recover their abilities to produce and emerging markets finally started to get their houses in order to make use of their own resources. It's not the same world now as it was then. Yesterday's problems and answers aren't necessarily today's.
 
St. Clown said:
The middle class grew when we bombed all of our competitions' ability to manufacture goods, their ability to transport goods, in the early 1940's meanwhile we were largely unaffected. This allowed us to grow our economy and worldwide economic dominance. Domestic workers were required to manufacture these goods, making the economy of the 40's through 70's much different than the one that followed, when the rest of the world finally started to recover their abilities to produce and emerging markets finally started to get their houses in order to make use of their own resources. It's not the same world now as it was then. Yesterday's problems and answers aren't necessarily today's.
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So do we bomb them again??
 
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joecct said:
So do we bomb them again??
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No, there are too many manufacturing nations to bomb now. Manufacturing is no longer isolated to our enemies and allies susceptible to our enemies by way of proximity. We'd have to directly bomb our allies and nations with whom we're simply friendly. And China, but they'd likely try to bomb us in return. That would be inconvenient to the plan.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Not a chance.
I'm just intrigued that the "1%" has gone from 35% to 40% of wealth holding under Mr. Obama. I thought he was all about the 99%.
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The D's haven't controlled both the House and Senate since 2011 and let's not pretend the R's didn't c-block Obama at every turn since.
 
Re: 2nd Term Part XI; Year 8, Part 1... Electioneering and Lame Ducking

The Sicatoka said:
Not a chance.
I'm just intrigued that the "1%" has gone from 35% to 40% of wealth holding under Mr. Obama. I thought he was all about the 99%.
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That's just plain funny. When the patient is near death in ICU with brain and spinal injuries from a beating she took from her date, the first objective is to just keep her alive. Worry about dance moves once you save her life and, if things go well, get her to walk.
 
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Slap Shot said:
The D's haven't controlled both the House and Senate since 2011 and let's not pretend the R's didn't c-block Obama at every turn since.
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I always enjoy the excuse, "well, we'd have liked to have done something. We just didn't have the power."

As I've posted in other threads, anyone who believes either party is truly interested in changing that is kidding themselves. The R's will just straight up tell you they're not going to change it, while the D's keep running the con that they will.

It's been going up since about 1976. Both parties have had plenty of opportunity to do something about it if they really wanted to.
 
Re: 2nd Term Part XI; Year 8, Part 1... Electioneering and Lame Ducking

SJHovey said:
I always enjoy the excuse, "well, we'd have liked to have done something. We just didn't have the power."

As I've posted in other threads, anyone who believes either party is truly interested in changing that is kidding themselves. The R's will just straight up tell you they're not going to change it, while the D's keep running the con that they will.

It's been going up since about 1976. Both parties have had plenty of opportunity to do something about it if they really wanted to.
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This is the same story conservatives/Republicans always come up with when they leave the Country in shambles (2008), destroy the middle class (Trickle Down), and start International Commitments that can't be left (Iraq, Afghanistan).

Please, just stop.
 
Re: 2nd Term Part XI; Year 8, Part 1... Electioneering and Lame Ducking

SJHovey said:
I always enjoy the excuse, "well, we'd have liked to have done something. We just didn't have the power."

As I've posted in other threads, anyone who believes either party is truly interested in changing that is kidding themselves. The R's will just straight up tell you they're not going to change it, while the D's keep running the con that they will.

It's been going up since about 1976. Both parties have had plenty of opportunity to do something about it if they really wanted to.
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In terms of concentration of wealth at the top, obviously the GOP won't oppose it: it's their mission statement. The Republican Party is a machine for making the rich richer and everybody else poorer. It's what they're for.

The Democrats do rely on a variety of excuses. My solution is to give them complete control of all three branches so they have no more excuses. It worked out well the last time we tried it. Confiscatory taxation on incomes above $10M and inheritances above $5M, with exceptions for legitimate business owners, would be enough to restore much of the fairness to our economy. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with the free market in America as long as large scale capitalism is regulated and wealth accumulation is broken up at the generational divide.
 
Re: 2nd Term Part XI; Year 8, Part 1... Electioneering and Lame Ducking

How bout it, Barry?

Two of the most prominent human rights organisations in the United States are about to launch a campaign for the presidential pardon of Edward Snowden.

The American Civil Liberties Union and Amnesty International are ready to launch the "Pardon Snowden" campaign. They are urging President Barack Obama to act before he leaves office in January 2017.
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