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2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

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You don't believe Lurch, I mean Kerry

Nope. I also don't believe McCain and Graham when they say we can control Putin. I think maybe our Senators should start laying off the crack and getting real.
 
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Nope. I also don't believe McCain and Graham when they say we can control Putin. I think maybe our Senators should start laying off the crack and getting real.

Maybe they should be smart enough to S TFU and not say stuff they don't mean
 
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Maybe they should be smart enough to S TFU and not say stuff they don't mean

That would be bliss. Almost as unlikely as them acknowledging reality.

John Kerry said yesterday, "You just don't, in the 21st Century, behave in 19th Century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped-up pretext."

You know, I like John Kerry. I really do. But, the US can't say things like this anymore. We went into Iraq. That right there gives Putin pretty close to a blank check.
 
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The biggest turn of events from this is going to be other future countries declining to turn in their WMD's in some sort of trade-off. The Ukranian's probably wish they had kept some of the nukes in 1994.
 
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The biggest turn of events from this is going to be other future countries declining to turn in their WMD's in some sort of trade-off. The Ukranian's probably wish they had kept some of the nukes in 1994.

They should have joined NATO. I believe the Baltic states are in and if Putin ever invaded them I'd be all for bombing away. Unfortunately for the Ukraine they're not part of a western military alliance so the rules get a lot more iffy.
 
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They should have joined NATO. I believe the Baltic states are in and if Putin ever invaded them I'd be all for bombing away. Unfortunately for the Ukraine they're not part of a western military alliance so the rules get a lot more iffy.
Completely agree. Short of proving massive human rights violations and/or genocide, I don't see any case for military intervention - nor even assistance, really. Ah well, our stock market needed a correction anyway... :-/
 
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Completely agree. Short of proving massive human rights violations and/or genocide, I don't see any case for military intervention - nor even assistance, really. Ah well, our stock market needed a correction anyway... :-/

We didn't really do anything in Rwanda, did we?
 
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I notice he doesn't mention how we could've just skipped the whole Iraq thing altogether.

Neocons are clueless.

Because Bush bashing is really relevant now. But it's all you and this jumped up "community organizer" got. Pathetic.
 
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Because Bush bashing is really relevant now. But it's all you and this jumped up "community organizer" got. Pathetic.

Outside the nonthingy Benghazi turned out to be, what foreign policy decision has Obama made that even remotely approaches the idiocy of the Iraq Invasion?
 
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Eugene Robinson, whom I rarely agree with, hits the nail on the head with the Ukraine issue..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...311-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html?hpid=z1

There is evidently nothing you and Robinson and the rest of the defenders of the faith can't blame on Iraq, and by extension, Bush. Your empty suit has been president now for five years. And in terms of foreign and military policy, he has spent most of that time weakening America and encouraging our enemies. Yet at this late date all you can think to do is protect his shabby reputation and lay the blame elsewhere. This "brilliant scholar," smartest guy in the room, has encouraged Putin and other thugs from day one. "Reset button." "Smart power." "Leading from behind." Bowing and scraping (literally) before various world dictators. Huge cuts to our military. Apology tours. "No reason for America to feel exceptional" Apologizing for weeks about a video he knew had nothing to do with the murders of four Americans.

It has been a graduate level course of liberal Democrat, post Vietnam policy. And we are weaker and less influential and the world is more dangerous as a consequence. Yet, somehow, it's all Bush's fault. Can't you people, just this one time, put down the Obama campaign signs and join the rest of the adults in discussing what we can and should do here? This is serious business. Far more important than protecting the reputation of our feckless president. In the last election, you were all prancing around intoxicated with his brilliance in clipping Bin Laden. Well, that was then and this is now. And the SEALS or a couple of drone strikes can't fix this. Defending Obama like the Texicans did at the Alamo can't, either. And neither can sending Susan Rice out with more lies.
 
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Outside the nonthingy Benghazi turned out to be, what foreign policy decision has Obama made that even remotely approaches the idiocy of the Iraq Invasion?

"This is your brain on monomania."
 
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There is evidently nothing you and Robinson and the rest of the defenders of the faith can't blame on Iraq, and by extension, Bush. Your empty suit has been president now for five years. And in terms of foreign and military policy, he has spent most of that time weakening America and encouraging our enemies. Yet at this late date all you can think to do is protect his shabby reputation and lay the blame elsewhere. This "brilliant scholar," smartest guy in the room, has encouraged Putin and other thugs from day one. "Reset button." "Smart power." "Leading from behind." Bowing and scraping (literally) before various world dictators. Huge cuts to our military. Apology tours. "No reason for America to feel exceptional" Apologizing for weeks about a video he knew had nothing to do with the murders of four Americans.

It has been a graduate level course of liberal Democrat, post Vietnam policy. And we are weaker and less influential and the world is more dangerous as a consequence. Yet, somehow, it's all Bush's fault. Can't you people, just this one time, put down the Obama campaign signs and join the rest of the adults in discussing what we can and should do here? This is serious business. Far more important than protecting the reputation of our feckless president. In the last election, you were all prancing around intoxicated with his brilliance in clipping Bin Laden. Well, that was then and this is now. And the SEALS or a couple of drone strikes can't fix this. Defending Obama like the Texicans did at the Alamo can't, either. And neither can sending Susan Rice out with more lies.


Nice rant.

I'm thinking that the poster you went off on most likely did not vote for Obama. Call it a hunch.

Oh yeah, and one can think that Bush was an utter failure AND think the same about Obama. These are not mutually exclusive conclusions.
 
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Nice rant.

I'm thinking that the poster you went off on most likely did not vote for Obama. Call it a hunch.

Oh yeah, and one can think that Bush was an utter failure AND think the same about Obama. These are not mutually exclusive conclusions.

Got your finger on the important stuff as usual, eh? It's all about me? It's all about who joecct voted for? Anything other than the congenital lack of leadership from this administration. And if you're suggesting you hold similar views about Bush and Obama, you've done a marvelous job of obscuring this "fact."
 
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There is evidently nothing you and Robinson and the rest of the defenders of the faith can't blame on Iraq, and by extension, Bush. Your empty suit has been president now for five years. And in terms of foreign and military policy, he has spent most of that time weakening America and encouraging our enemies. Yet at this late date all you can think to do is protect his shabby reputation and lay the blame elsewhere. This "brilliant scholar," smartest guy in the room, has encouraged Putin and other thugs from day one. "Reset button." "Smart power." "Leading from behind." Bowing and scraping (literally) before various world dictators. Huge cuts to our military. Apology tours. "No reason for America to feel exceptional" Apologizing for weeks about a video he knew had nothing to do with the murders of four Americans.

It has been a graduate level course of liberal Democrat, post Vietnam policy. And we are weaker and less influential and the world is more dangerous as a consequence. Yet, somehow, it's all Bush's fault. Can't you people, just this one time, put down the Obama campaign signs and join the rest of the adults in discussing what we can and should do here? This is serious business. Far more important than protecting the reputation of our feckless president. In the last election, you were all prancing around intoxicated with his brilliance in clipping Bin Laden. Well, that was then and this is now. And the SEALS or a couple of drone strikes can't fix this. Defending Obama like the Texicans did at the Alamo can't, either. And neither can sending Susan Rice out with more lies.

Sooo..what is there more of in Opie's post? Stupidity or hatred? I think its about 50/50. :D

So, lets get something out of the way right off the bat. Where was Opie's rant when Russia pulled this in Georgia back in 2008? The only difference I can see is that his hero, George W Bush was in office then, so that makes it okay. :rolleyes:

Now, I realize neoconartists and old people, of which righties tend to be both, are playing with themselves to the thought of a new Cold War, because it brings them back to their heyday of the early 1980's when the world made a lot more sense to them. Unfortunately, this is not the United States problem. Ukraine has an army. I'd suggest they use it. Otherwise, they can wait for crippling sanctions to take effect on Russia's fragile economy. Putin isn't dealing from a position of strength here. His market for his country's exports is Europe, and if they start squeezing him there's not a lot of other options.

Not every problem necessitates boots on the ground or A-bombs being dropped. Sometimes you need to just sit back, apply non-military pressure, and then let the problem child (in this case Vlady) figure his own way out of this mess. When unemployment hits 50% because his country is now a pariah state, he'll be climbing down from this in a hurry.
 
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When unemployment hits 50% because his country is now a pariah state, he'll be climbing down from this in a hurry.
Oops. MICEX up 5% today - so much for pariah state...
 
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Oops. MICEX up 5% today - so much for pariah state...


Wait a minute, you're ADVOCATING having policy dictated by one day events????

You'll get a kick out of CNBC commentary however. Apparently it was the market reaction that caused Putin to declare there'd be no military attack in Ukraine...:eek:
 
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