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2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
It got Arizona in the news, which I suspect was the plan all along.
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And never mind that it was introduced because of the wedding photography and wedding cake cases in neighboring Colorado and New Mexico, states where sexual orientation is a protected basis.

Clearly there was no discriminatory animus behind it whatsoever.
 
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Bob Gray said:
As Paul Bender, former dean of the ASU Law School and an often cited source of commentary on legal matters in Arizona, the bill "My summary is, it means almost nothing."
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Is this supposed to be an argument in FAVOR of the bill? As a libertarian-leaning conservative, I'd much rather that laws were only passed only because there was a substantive need for the law. Based on many of your other comments, I'm a bit surprised that you don't feel the same way.
 
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LynahFan said:
Is this supposed to be an argument in FAVOR of the bill? As a libertarian-leaning conservative, I'd much rather that laws were only passed only because there was a substantive need for the law. Based on many of your other comments, I'm a bit surprised that you don't feel the same way.
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No, just saying it's not a big deal one way or another and the furur over it was just plain silly. Personally I don't have an issue with what the bill did, but I don't think it's necessary. Realistically, even if it had passed now, with the way things are going, it'd be overturned a little ways down the road.
 
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Businesses have the right to serve who they want today. Just as with a buyer, no business is forced to have a transaction they don't want. However, a business cannot stop from selling you or treat you differently based on discrimination. And if they refuse service, they need proof on the discrimination piece.

The law in fact has very little real world application and its application will probably almost never occur. The primary implications are to 1) nationally either get dems riled up or make the GOP look bad depending on your pov 2) be a another piece of legislation that makes AZ look bad 3) charge up the LGBT community and sympathizers.

Regardless, progress marches on.
 
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Just curious, but has a liberal state ever tried to pass a law that discriminates against Christians, whities, or crabby old people?

I'll defer to Fishy or someone like that on this one...

;)
 
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Rover said:
Just curious, but has a liberal state ever tried to pass a law that discriminates against Christians, whities, or crabby old people?

I'll defer to Fishy or someone like that on this one...

;)
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I was thinking the same thing.

The supposed war on Christianity... where is it? :confused:
 
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Rover said:
Just curious, but has a liberal state ever tried to pass a law that discriminates against Christians, whities, or crabby old people?

I'll defer to Fishy or someone like that on this one...

;)
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I would guess that with a little bit of digging people could come up with examples of statutes or municipal ordinances or rules enacted by public Universities and the like that took some action specifically targeted at churches or religious groups. Probably things like efforts to tax a church, the forbidding of religious organizations from holding meetings in public meeting rooms, even though other groups are permitted to use the rooms, etc...

However, I suspect those instances would be few and far between, and probably dated, because politicians, if nothing else, are still politicians, and targeting large voting groups for punishment usually isn't on their agenda.
 
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Rover said:
Just curious, but has a liberal state ever tried to pass a law that discriminates against Christians, whities, or crabby old people?

I'll defer to Fishy or someone like that on this one...

;)
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How about your affirmative action pieces of legislation, or your race quotas?
 
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It's only descrimination when the bad guys do it, so by definition nothing they do is discriminatory.
 
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Bob Gray said:
It's only descrimination when the bad guys do it, so by definition nothing they do is discriminatory.
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It's rare that a man sees himself as the villian in life.
 
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St. Clown said:
It's rare that a man sees himself as the villian in life.
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True, but with maturity and perspective, people can realize that those who see things differently than us aren't inherently bad guys.
 
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Bob Gray said:
True, but with maturity and perspective, people can realize that those who see things differently than us aren't inherently bad guys.
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Depends of what exactly they see differently. Some things are in fact black and white.
 
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I agree with the 'American Conservative' website. Putin should not be a hero for conservatives:

The Right’s Putin Problem
The Russian president is an autocratic right-wing nationalist, not a model for American conservatives.
The American Conservative

The counterintuitive argument that Putin should be considered a hero of American conservatives probably originated with the founder of this magazine who asked last year whether in “the culture war for mankind’s future,” Russian President Vladimir Putin was “one of us,” speculating that the former member of the Soviet Communist Party and ex-KGB agent was, well, a paleoconservative.

Other conservative-leaning pundits perpetuated the meme. Matt Drudge called Putin the “leader of the free world,” while Victor Davis Hanson, who in what sounded like a bizarre S&M fantasy, ruminated that “Putin is almost Milton’s Satan–as if, in his seductive evil, he yearns for clarity, perhaps even a smackdown, if not just for himself, for us as well.”

More recently, the British Spectator magazine published a big “think” piece suggesting that Putin actually hopes to become the “the leader of global social conservatism.” The Daily Show even ran a spoof titled, “Better Off Red,” which portrayed Russia as the new “conservative paradise.”

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-rights-putin-problem/
 
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St. Clown said:
It's rare that a man sees himself as the villian in life.
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Truer words are almost never spoken.

Nonetheless, the Games Committee notes that you did misspell "villain". Sadly, that will cost you the requisite USCHO Express Credibility Points™. ;)
 
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Think we need a new thread on foreign policy? The Ukraine / Crimea looks like it's getting dicey. But will we remember the outrage(!) in a week?
 
joecct said:
Think we need a new thread on foreign policy? The Ukraine / Crimea looks like it's getting dicey. But will we remember the outrage(!) in a week?
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Will Joe ever post something other than a question? Will the derp brigade come out in full force? Will the joker continue his dasterdly hi jinks? Find out next week. Same bat time, same bat channel.
 
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