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2nd Term Part 5: Big Brotha

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/16/rnc-debate-boycott_n_3765989.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

BOSTON, Aug 16 (Reuters) - Delegates to a summer meeting of the Republican National Committee are scheduled to vote Friday on a possible boycott of 2016 presidential debates sponsored by CNN and NBC if the networks go ahead with plans for special programs on Democrat Hillary Clinton.

Republican leaders last week sent letters of protest to both networks complaining that a planned CNN documentary and an NBC miniseries amount to political ads for the former secretary of state, who is seen as a likely 2016 contender for the White House.

The vote is scheduled for the last day of a three-day gathering called "Making it Happen," where Republicans are discussing ways to use technology and other means to connect with a wider range of voters, following Mitt Romney's failure to unseat incumbent Democratic President Barack Obama in November.

CNN officials have said their documentary, due to appear in theaters and on television in 2014, is not yet complete, while NBC said its mini-series is being produced by an entertainment unit, which is independent of the news division.
 
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How are they just getting this story? I'd heard about this sometime last week.

It's a childish move, on may accounts, but since when did that stop politicians of either party from doing some stupid stunt?

They were threatening to do it. Today they are doing it.
 
The repubs have no one who can beat her, all they have is a bunch of idiots who think the majority of people care about their social agenda. Be nice to have an independant run who actually had a platform of a fiscal tightwad and pushed that non stop

walrus speaks the truth! Never thought I'd write that... :D

What pundidiots as well as most of the lamestream media won't mention is that people will vote for Hillary due to the historic nature of her candidacy. To argue differently would be like stating that Catholics weren't that interested in seeing JFK elected President. Not saying any of this is right, it just is.

That was something overlooked in Obama's election. Older Americans who pulled the lever 3 times for Reagan-Bush I most likely voted for him. They voted for him because his election, regardless of him personally, signified that all those struggles of the 50's and 60's for Civil Rights had ultimately been victorious. All the beatings, jailings, murders in some cases, etc weren't for naught. Drove conservatives nuts, probably because they were never that into civil rights in the first place(I kid, I kid ;)) but people aren't robots. These things matter.

Now, take a look at Hillary. A bedrock supporter of the current Republican party is older married women. The very people who came of age in the 60's-70's. Its not realistic to think these people aren't going to be attracted to her candidacy, knowing full well it could the last time in their lifetimes they get this close to seeing a woman President. Couple that with the almost certainty that the GOP will nominate a hard right social issue warrior, and yet another piece of the GOP coalition, such as it is, breaks away at least for this election.

So, why Hillary? Two reasons:

1) Aside from Biden who else can stake a claim for the Dems? She's got the most experience, paid her dues, already ran once, etc. She also represents a continuation of the most successful Presidency in most people's memories. Sometimes the heir does end up winning the general election(Reagan, GWB).

2) In the general election, the Democrats can nominate a potted plant and win 250 electoral votes. I know this because they have nominated two potted plants (Gore, Kerry) who did just that. Meanwhile, the high water mark for Repubicans electorally in the last 6 (!) elections is 286. Now perhaps the party becomes more popular 3 years from now, or Republican Jesus gets the nomination, but assuming that doesn't happen she doesn't need to keep that much of the Obama coalition to win. As I'm guessing Rand Paul is the nominee it'll be a lot easier than that.

Final note: Chris Christie. IMHO he's the only potential candidate who can change the daunting electoral math. Presumably he puts NJ and PA in play. Doubt he plays well down South but maybe he grabs Rubio to put Florida in his column. This all sounds good, but he'd still have to draw a straight flush as NJ and PA haven't gone Republican since 1988 I believe.

More likely than not he doesn't make it out of the primary though, and I doubt he runs this time. Let some lunatic like Paul get nominated and then crushed. Serve out your term as governor, which ends in Jan 2018, which is perfect timing to pivot towards a Presidential run against a now 73 year old Hillary in 2020. Sorta sets up a reverse of the 1992 election theme of handing off to a younger generation (think Christie will still be in his 50's even by that point).
 
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I have to agree with John Oliver here. It's WAY too early to start talking about the 2016 election. We have a long way to go.

Besides, by then Obama will have declared Martial Law, suspended the Constitution and instituted Sharia Law to consolidate his nefarious power.
 
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The repubs have no one who can beat her, all they have is a bunch of idiots who think the majority of people care about their social agenda. Be nice to have an independant run who actually had a platform of a fiscal tightwad and pushed that non stop

If a candidate did that in any party, let alone an independent, they would be ignored. The average person doesnt care about spending or the debt ceiling...they care about social platitudes and how much they can get from said candidate. You could put Clint Eastwood's empty chair up against that candidate with a sign containing a pithy slogan and it would trounce the fiscal tightwad 3-1.

Put it this way, a fiscal tightwad is going to cut farm subsidies probably in the first hundred days...why the hell would Iowa or Nebraska vote for him/her? My guess is tax rebates for big business will be a major selling point...there goes Wall Street. Chances are programs like FEMA will get sliced and diced...why would anyone in Florida or Tornado Alley or anywhere else that gets disaster relief vote for him? Social Security and Medicare are next...there goes the retired vote. Foreign Aid to Israel and other allies will be reigned in...that will kill the Jewish/Christian vote. I could go on and on...

For that candidate to have any shot he will have to compromise his principles on some spending, which will call into question his/her whole platform and destroy him/her. If the one thing you have to go on is fiscal responsibility but you begin to weaken on that the sharks will devour. If that candidate decided to say cut farm subsidies but still let Wall Street get away with below average tax rates they will be ripped to shreds as frauds and they wont last past the first debate.
 
If a candidate did that in any party, let alone an independent, they would be ignored. The average person doesnt care about spending or the debt ceiling...they care about social platitudes and how much they can get from said candidate. You could put Clint Eastwood's empty chair up against that candidate with a sign containing a pithy slogan and it would trounce the fiscal tightwad 3-1.

Put it this way, a fiscal tightwad is going to cut farm subsidies probably in the first hundred days...why the hell would Iowa or Nebraska vote for him/her? My guess is tax rebates for big business will be a major selling point...there goes Wall Street. Chances are programs like FEMA will get sliced and diced...why would anyone in Florida or Tornado Alley or anywhere else that gets disaster relief vote for him? Social Security and Medicare are next...there goes the retired vote. Foreign Aid to Israel and other allies will be reigned in...that will kill the Jewish/Christian vote. I could go on and on...

For that candidate to have any shot he will have to compromise his principles on some spending, which will call into question his/her whole platform and destroy him/her. If the one thing you have to go on is fiscal responsibility but you begin to weaken on that the sharks will devour. If that candidate decided to say cut farm subsidies but still let Wall Street get away with below average tax rates they will be ripped to shreds as frauds and they wont last past the first debate.

Well said. This is oddly why I support the sequester. It was the only way to put in spending cuts to sacred cows like the defense budget. Now it obviously needs to be retooled, but in that redo is where you can make some choices under the guise of "if we do nothing it'll be even worse". This is the same way taxes were finally hiked on the wealthy at the start of the year.

So, you want to ease say transportation cuts? Great, get rid of oil company tax breaks then, etc.
 
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A bipartisan (yes, really!) effort to cut government spending.


Every year, think tanks, auditors, investigators, and even Uncle Sam’s own Government Accountability Office crank out report after report concluding the same thing - too many federal government programs are inefficient, costly, ineffective or all of the above.

And yet every year, these conclusions are largely ignored. As a consequence, the federal government unnecessarily wastes billions of dollars a year while many government programs continue to operate without concrete goals or standards for success.

Well, I want to put an end to that and save your hard-earned tax dollars from waste – while also protecting middle class priorities.

That's why Republican Senator Mark Kirk and I recently partnered to put forth the Government Transformation Act, which has been incorporated into No Labels’ Make Government Work! initiative that was unveiled late last month.

More at link.
 
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I don't understand why Hillary doesn't have the full support of all or nearly all party members.

Can't speak for the party. But IMO she's not likely to bring new thinking to the role and doesn't really have great leadership charisma. My guess is that she'd attract even more warfare from the GOP than can usually be expected.

Does she have your support? If not, why would you say that?
 
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The repubs have no one who can beat her, all they have is a bunch of idiots who think the majority of people care about their social agenda.

Pretty much. I know it can prove extremely difficult to forecast these things this far in advance, but assuming she runs she's going to walk to the nomination. From there, for the reason you state, no clue who is going to beat her since I doubt someone who is more moderate on the social crap could make it out of the primary.
 
My guess is that she'd attract even more warfare from the GOP than can usually be expected.

I don't see how this is possible. GOP opposition to a Democratic President has nothing to do with whether the Dem is white, black, male, female, a northerner, a southerner, old, young, left handed, or anything else for that matter.

Simply put, a lot of people on the right who were young adults when Reagan came along thought every President was going to be like him from then until the end of time. Now these same people are 60-70 something year old crabby geezers who will latch onto anything no matter how ridiculous to oppose any Democratic President. Knuckledraggers are right about one thing, opposition to Obama isn't based on racism, its based on watching a dying ideology (conservatism, or neo-conservatism if you'd like) slip further and further into irrelevance. Who ever would have thought, 30 years ago, that Republicans would vote for 1) a tax hike on the rich, and 2) a 1.5T cut in defense spending and do it with a smile? Or approve gays in the military? How would you like it if, during the 2016 election season, you look back across the years and the only Republican President in the previous 24 years is freakin' George W Bush!?! :eek: I mean, no wonder they're angry all the time.
 
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I don't see how this is possible. GOP opposition to a Democratic President has nothing to do with whether the Dem is white, black, male, female, a northerner, a southerner, old, young, left handed, or anything else for that matter.

Simply put, a lot of people on the right who were young adults when Reagan came along thought every President was going to be like him from then until the end of time. Now these same people are 60-70 something year old crabby geezers who will latch onto anything no matter how ridiculous to oppose any Democratic President. Knuckledraggers are right about one thing, opposition to Obama isn't based on racism, its based on watching a dying ideology (conservatism, or neo-conservatism if you'd like) slip further and further into irrelevance. Who ever would have thought, 30 years ago, that Republicans would vote for 1) a tax hike on the rich, and 2) a 1.5T cut in defense spending and do it with a smile? Or approve gays in the military? How would you like it if, during the 2016 election season, you look back across the years and the only Republican President in the previous 24 years is freakin' George W Bush!?! :eek: I mean, no wonder they're angry all the time.
About the same as you felt with Jimmy Carter for the period 1969 - 1993.
 
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Can't speak for the party. But IMO she's not likely to bring new thinking to the role and doesn't really have great leadership charisma. My guess is that she'd attract even more warfare from the GOP than can usually be expected.

Does she have your support? If not, why would you say that?

Yeah, I think she could be a decent pick based on her experience and the wisdom that comes with it. She's not someone you'd want to cuddle with, but who cares? But I think "new thinking" is way overrated so oddly, she might be a conservative choice.
 
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Our governor is an embarrassment.

Gov. Paul LePage told a group of Republicans last week that President Obama "hates white people," according to two state lawmakers who say they heard the remark directly.

The governor made the comment during a Maine Republican Party fundraiser on Aug. 12 at the home of John and Linda Fortier in Belgrade. According to the invitation, the fundraiser was a "meet and greet" for LePage and first lady Ann LePage, and an opportunity to meet Rick Bennett, the new party chairman.

The lawmakers, both Republicans, confirmed the comment when asked by a Portland Press Herald reporter but asked that their names be withheld for fear of political retribution.

Each said LePage talked about how Obama could have been the best president ever if he had highlighted his biracial heritage. LePage said the president hasn't done that because he hates white people.

"Yeah, he said it," said one of the lawmakers. "It was one little thing from a speech, but I think most people there thought it was totally inappropriate."

How's that rebranding effort going?
 
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Gotta love those anonymous sources in a rag owned by Sussman, other anonymous sources are saying he said no such thing. Can't wait for the campaign between him and Michaud. I want a front row seat to any debate.
 
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Gotta love those anonymous sources in a rag owned by Sussman, other anonymous sources are saying he said no such thing. Can't wait for the campaign between him and Michaud. I want a front row seat to any debate.

Maybe he can add the KJ to the list of newspapers he wants to blow up.
 
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As I've always said, the best argument against having conservatives run the govt is what happens when they're actually in power. Inevitably its a disaster.
 
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