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2nd Term Part 5: Big Brotha

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Man arrested for pointing gun at Deputy

GILA BEND, AZ - Authorities arrested an Arizona Minuteman for allegedly pointing a rifle at a deputy over the weekend. According to court paperwork, 49-year-old Richard Malley and two other men who are part of the Minuteman militia were patrolling the desert just east of Gila Bend, along Interstate 8, Saturday night.

Two Maricopa County Sheriff's deputies were checking nearby mile posts often used for drug trafficking when they came across mile post 140, court papers said. When the deputies pulled up to the area, they reportedly flashed their high beams and honked their horn. Court papers say Malley thought a crime was occurring when the deputies showed up, so he felt the right to flash his rifle and a flashlight at one of the deputies. The deputy verbally identified himself as law enforcement, but Malley continued to point his rifle and asked the deputy to show identification, court documents said.

Malley then identified himself as a militia Minuteman but said he did not carry any identification, because he feared cartel members would learn his identity, according to court papers.
The deputy then showed Malley his patches, badge and the word "sheriff" across his chest. He then asked Malley to surrender his weapon, and Malley replied, "You aren't taking my weapons."
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"By ballot or bullet restoration is coming"

People like this are why neither political party is going to run a normal, sane candidate in 2016.
 
Rover said:
So....the supporters of one ideology are holding up signs in public calling for the removal or assassination of the President and its both sides fault equally? Got it. :confused:
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I apologize, I should've clarified:

Its my belief that their liberal counterparts (the ones who would compare W. to Hitler) are one of the biggest reasons that the Dems cannot and will not nominate anyone who knows how to balance a checkbook.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
I apologize, I should've clarified:

Its my belief that their liberal counterparts (the ones who would compare W. to Hitler) are one of the biggest reasons that the Dems cannot and will not nominate anyone who knows how to balance a checkbook.
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Didn't Clinton balance the budget?
 
ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
That he did, but look at what the party has turned into since then, particularly under Obama. There isn't a problem that they don't think they can spend their way out of.
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You mean the president that has actually reduced the deficit faster than Clinton did? Guilty as charged.
http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2021629583_krugmancolumndeficit18xml.html
 
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Exile brings up an interesting point. What exactly are you looking for out of a President/Congress, and how realistic is it?

For example, everybody wants bipartisanship but when its more advantageous to be a raving partisan than it is to cooperate that's not going to happen. Gerrymandered districts come to mind or turning out the base in a general election if you feel its the easiest path to victory.

So, spending. Deficit roughly at 600Bn a year, one half of what Obama inherited the year he assumed office. Its not completely transparent but figure 2011 budget deal + sequester has taken about 250Bn off. Tax hikes (payroll taxes, top earners, etc) took another 200Bn off. Economic growth + Agency and other bailout paybacks makes up the remaining 150Bn.

So, the questions are: 1) what more did you expect given current economic conditions, and 2) are you willing to put up with another long, deep recession if you try to make up 600Bn in deficit reduction via cuts implemented in one year? I'll let people answer the first one for themselves, but to the second question look no further than England for the effects of austerity on an economy similar to ours. Maybe you're okay with that, but that would be the reality (double digit recession and zero growth). Interestingly enough The Economist (hardly a liberal newsrag) has an article this week stating that the US has the most sustainable recovery of all the large economies out there. That's because its done by far the best job of finding the best combination of tax hikes & spending cuts to bring down deficits but not strangle growth.

So, 600Bn. A third of that is easy. Pass a law immediately stating any savings from winding down war spending (still 120Bn a year) goes to deficit reduction, not additional Pentagon spending. Allow Medicare to bargain for prescription drugs. Axe oil, AG, carried interest tax breaks. Tort reform on medical lawsuits.

The rest of it though is going to have to come gradually via growth whether you like it or not.
 
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Priceless said:
You mean the president that has actually reduced the deficit faster than Clinton did? Guilty as charged.
http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2021629583_krugmancolumndeficit18xml.html
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Anyone who references the dunce Krugman automatically loses any argument. His is the only Nobel in history worth less than Obama's. My neighbor the scrap dealer knows more about economics than Krugman does.
I'm not saying anything about Obama and the deficit btw. I think it's great that the sequester appears to be doing some good in spite of his big spending proclivities. I'm only saying that Krugman is a complete fool and newspapers should stop printing his narrow minded tripe, because there are actually idiots out there who believe him.
I'm not kidding about the scrap dealer. In fact I know more economics than "One Solution" Krugman does.
 
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Priceless said:
Who are the pure, unbiased sources of information in your opinion?
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Obviously anything Fox :rolleyes: I guess in your eyes only Fox or Murdoch related crap is biased, heaven forbid that a left wing leaning newspaper be biased, by god thats the truth.
 
walrus said:
Obviously anything Fox :rolleyes: I guess in your eyes only Fox or Murdoch related crap is biased, heaven forbid that a left wing leaning newspaper be biased, by god thats the truth.
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You took that about as seriously as I expected you would.

Are we going to add the Bangor Daily and Lewiston Sun to the list of places to bomb? What about the Brunswick Times Record? Any other places we should blow up?
 
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Rover said:
Exile brings up an interesting point. What exactly are you looking for out of a President/Congress, and how realistic is it?

For example, everybody wants bipartisanship but when its more advantageous to be a raving partisan than it is to cooperate that's not going to happen. Gerrymandered districts come to mind or turning out the base in a general election if you feel its the easiest path to victory.

So, spending. Deficit roughly at 600Bn a year, one half of what Obama inherited the year he assumed office. Its not completely transparent but figure 2011 budget deal + sequester has taken about 250Bn off. Tax hikes (payroll taxes, top earners, etc) took another 200Bn off. Economic growth + Agency and other bailout paybacks makes up the remaining 150Bn.

So, the questions are: 1) what more did you expect given current economic conditions, and 2) are you willing to put up with another long, deep recession if you try to make up 600Bn in deficit reduction via cuts implemented in one year? I'll let people answer the first one for themselves, but to the second question look no further than England for the effects of austerity on an economy similar to ours. Maybe you're okay with that, but that would be the reality (double digit recession and zero growth). Interestingly enough The Economist (hardly a liberal newsrag) has an article this week stating that the US has the most sustainable recovery of all the large economies out there. That's because its done by far the best job of finding the best combination of tax hikes & spending cuts to bring down deficits but not strangle growth.

So, 600Bn. A third of that is easy. Pass a law immediately stating any savings from winding down war spending (still 120Bn a year) goes to deficit reduction, not additional Pentagon spending. Allow Medicare to bargain for prescription drugs. Axe oil, AG, carried interest tax breaks. Tort reform on medical lawsuits.

The rest of it though is going to have to come gradually via growth whether you like it or not.
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I've come to the conclusion gridlock is the ideal. Congress is just a big committee. And the worst thing about committees is they feel they have to "do something" to justify their existence. Unfortunately, usually through the law of unintended consequences, "doing something" turns out to be a lot worse than doing nothing.
 
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