2nd Term Part 4: Donkeys, Elephants, and Porcupines

[5mn_Major]

Re: 2nd Term Part 4: Donkeys, Elephants, and Porcupines

The problem until the end of time will be that "my handout" is ok but yours is bad...

Which is why I distrust many today who call themselves 'fiscal conservatives'...because there are very few true fiscal conservatives. Most will say...ok, we really need to fund <enter personal pet project> because that's the one that's important. But we she cut everyone else's projects.

i.e., Bachmann is a big road spending nut and pushing for her own bridge to nowhere.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: 2nd Term Part 4: Donkeys, Elephants, and Porcupines

Which is why I distrust many today who call themselves 'fiscal conservatives'...because there are very few true fiscal conservatives. Most will say...ok, we really need to fund <enter personal pet project> because that's the one that's important. But we she cut everyone else's projects.

i.e., Bachmann is a big road spending nut and pushing for her own bridge to nowhere.

bridge to nowhere? *** are you talking about? That bridge is anything but a bridge to nowhere. Minnesota had a bridge fall, in case you forgot, and the one she's trying to replace (I'm almost positive) had a lower score then the one that fell.

 

[unofan]

And if everyone had the same attitude as the oklahoma senator, we wouldn't hand out money like it was free for every event because there would be more not effected by the event than effected by the event. I understand your sentiment but it doesn't change the fact that we continue to spend money we don't have and many people agree on that point. The problem until the end of time will be that "my handout" is ok but yours is bad, which is why none of them should exist in the first place.

Were you saying this when rick perry cut state firefighting funds, then ran to the feds when wildfires raged across his state the following year?

I also can't believe you're against disaster relief as a whole. That's kind of one of the core government functions, up there with national defense and a working judicial system.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2nd Term Part 4: Donkeys, Elephants, and Porcupines

And if everyone had the same attitude as the oklahoma senator, we wouldn't hand out money like it was free for every event because there would be more not effected by the event than effected by the event. I understand your sentiment but it doesn't change the fact that we continue to spend money we don't have and many people agree on that point. The problem until the end of time will be that "my handout" is ok but yours is bad, which is why none of them should exist in the first place.

Our entire system of government is based on handouts. Has been like that since the dawn of time. A series of you scratch my back I'll scratch yours. The fact that these knuckle dragging neophytes continually babble on about how pure they are when 9 times out of 10 they're the biggest of the gimme mine before I giver you yours crowd.

Hell, one of the smartest guys I know (and the richest) is known as the "guy with the angle". He always has an angle on everything he does for anyone making sure that he gets something in return. He never does anything without reciprocation. That's the way you get rich, and that's the way the system works and has worked forever.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: 2nd Term Part 4: Donkeys, Elephants, and Porcupines

Were you saying this when rick perry cut state firefighting funds, then ran to the feds when wildfires raged acrosd his state the following year?

I also can't believe you're against disaster relief as a whole. That's kind of one of the core government functions, up there with national defense and a working judicial system.

But everything is a disaster now. Don't we have insurance for a reason? Should the costs of every flood, tornado, hurricane, severe thunderstorm be covered by the government now? I thought we bought insurance to protect ourselves in case these things happened? I didn't realize it was the federal government's job to protect me from these things, I guess I'll just drop my home owner's policy now since I'm wasting hundreds of dollars a year on something the government will provide me if a disaster ever strikes my house...or will it only do that if its a national compelling story? Are you trying to tell me there arent thousands of events that effect some people's lives as much as yesterday's tornado or Hurricane Sandy but because there's no video and no national media, not one dollar is ever given?
http://www.fee.org/library/detail/not-your-to-give-2#axzz2TxN9kJY9

 

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: 2nd Term Part 4: Donkeys, Elephants, and Porcupines

Our entire system of government is based on handouts. Has been like that since the dawn of time. A series of you scratch my back I'll scratch yours. The fact that these knuckle dragging neophytes continually babble on about how pure they are when 9 times out of 10 they're the biggest of the gimme mine before I giver you yours crowd.

Hell, one of the smartest guys I know (and the richest) is known as the "guy with the angle". He always has an angle on everything he does for anyone making sure that he gets something in return. He never does anything without reciprocation. That's the way you get rich, and that's the way the system works and has worked forever.

and that makes it right...got it

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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and that makes it right...got it

Good luck changing it. Most major league sports owners would rather move their team to a community that will give them charity than build their facility themselves. I remember back in 1993 or so when the company I worked for was looking for a place to move the business the owner went to the location that gave him the best deal. Seems all businesses do that. Maybe the government isn't supposed to be like that and I agree with you I sure wish it wasn't. But, unfortunately it is and we have to live with it.

Now, you brought up an interesting discussion about where insurance and relief meet. I don't know what the answer to that one.

 

[Rover]

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You have federal assistance because insurance isn't covering public works or rescue efforts. Or for that matter are insurance claims instantaneous. So, you can live in a dirt hole for a couple of years while your claim gets reviewed (more in Katrina's case) or the feds can swoop in with a low interest loan and perhaps some temporary housing while you rebuild then pay back the loan when your claim gets settled.

However, for emergency medical care, repairing roads, gas lines, etc, private companies aren't going to do that. That's where the gubmint steps in.

 

[joecct]

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Meanwhile the Ft. Hood perp who committed "workplace violence" is still on the government payroll.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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You have federal assistance because insurance isn't covering public works or rescue efforts. Or for that matter are insurance claims instantaneous. So, you can live in a dirt hole for a couple of years while your claim gets reviewed (more in Katrina's case) or the feds can swoop in with a low interest loan and perhaps some temporary housing while you rebuild then pay back the loan when your claim gets settled.

However, for emergency medical care, repairing roads, gas lines, etc, private companies aren't going to do that. That's where the gubmint steps in.

Or my tuition dollars can pay for a free education for those who had been going to Tulane.

 

[Priceless]

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However, for emergency medical care, repairing roads, gas lines, etc, private companies aren't going to do that. That's where the gubmint steps in.

We built that?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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We built that?

The scariest thing is that we built schools in Oklahoma with no storm shelters. From what I read today all the new schools get them but a lot of the older schools don't have them and the reason given was cost. Apparently after the last storm in the area they started adding them to the designs.

I guarantee you I wouldn't live in Tornado alley or have my kids go to school in tornado alley without one. Here in Minnesota we don't get nearly as many tornado's but we do have basements in our homes.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: 2nd Term Part 4: Donkeys, Elephants, and Porcupines

You have federal assistance because insurance isn't covering public works or rescue efforts. Or for that matter are insurance claims instantaneous. So, you can live in a dirt hole for a couple of years while your claim gets reviewed (more in Katrina's case) or the feds can swoop in with a low interest loan and perhaps some temporary housing while you rebuild then pay back the loan when your claim gets settled.

However, for emergency medical care, repairing roads, gas lines, etc, private companies aren't going to do that. That's where the gubmint steps in.

So hospitals don't do emergency medical care? The federal government needs to step in and repair city roads? The gas company doesn't have a responsibility to repair its own gas lines?

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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http://www.fee.org/library/detail/not-your-to-give-2#axzz2TxN9kJY9

Did anyone read the link I provided?

 

[Priceless]

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So hospitals don't do emergency medical care? The federal government needs to step in and repair city roads? The gas company doesn't have a responsibility to repair its own gas lines?

This is the hospital in Moore, OK. How do you propose they provide emergency medical care?

 

[Old Pio]

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And the further point is, after the 60's and the Dems heroic leadership on civil rights, all the racists found a home in....you guessed, the GOP! Do me a favor and review Jesse Helms greatest hits and get back to us.

Also, I'm not sure what your obsession is with sexual relations between consenting parties, but you do realize not being able to tell the difference between consensual and non consensual contact (Studds vs Foley) will get you a listing on a sex offender registry, right Opie?

As is customary, you're begging the question. Since Foley never had sexual relations with a page, consensual or otherwise, I'm at a loss to understand why you keep bringing it up as dispositive. You're either badly misinformed (judging by your recitation of "historical facts" that's a distinct possibility) or being just a teensy bit dishonest. Foley was creepy, to be sure, and guilty of violating your Eleventh Commandment about not being a hypocrite. But thinking about or wanting sexual contact with a page simply is not the same as actually "doing it" with a page. Notwithstanding your strenuous efforts claiming that it is. You insist the sex between Studds and at least one page was consensual. Like it makes any difference. It would, I think, be analogous to a host father having "consensual" sex with an exchange student. Consent is not the issue. Violation of trust is the issue.

But there you were, heroically resisting the temptation to "judge" Studds as the repulsive sexual predator he was. But so nuanced that you voted against him because he'd lost his "legislative effectiveness."

 

[WisconsinWildcard]

Re: 2nd Term Part 4: Donkeys, Elephants, and Porcupines

So hospitals don't do emergency medical care? The federal government needs to step in and repair city roads? The gas company doesn't have a responsibility to repair its own gas lines?

As far as emergency medical care I think many of the hospitals are swamped and funding is necessary to bring in temporary emergency medical personnel to handle the excess. Additionally, identifying bodies is unpleasant, but necessary and very few cities have the resources to handle a large influx into a coroners office.

 

[unofan]

Did anyone read the link I provided?

At FEE, young people—and educators who work with them—will find an exciting and optimistic introduction to the Austrian and classical liberal traditions in free market economics as well as opportunities to connect with other young people and free-market organizations around the world.Read more:*http://www.fee.org/about/#ixzz2TxqsaJul

Austrian school economics? Chalk me up as a no.

 

[Old Pio]

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Senator Byrd comes to mind. Mr KKK himself

Certainly a great moment when the former Klan wizard talked openly about "white n-words."

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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This is the hospital in Moore, OK. How do you propose they provide emergency medical care?

"Oklahoma University Medical Center and the university's Children's Hospital saw 94 patients injured by the tornado and other weather events since Sunday, and none have died at the facilities" Sounds like they had that covered without FEMA. Other area hospitals also received numerous patients, including facilities run by the Norman Regional Health System.