2nd Term Part 4: Donkeys, Elephants, and Porcupines

[brookyone]

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/21/appeals-court-arizona-abortion-ban-is-flatly-unconstitutional/

 

[Old Pio]

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Austrian school economics? Chalk me up as a no.

Statism rules? Let the kids go to Cuba and help harvest the cane. Or maybe North Korea, where they can learn how to pick kernels of corn out of manure.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Austrian school economics? Chalk me up as a no.

ok, apparently stories can have no value to anyone if from the other side. I watch the videos and read many of the links of crap the lefties post...but I get no time from you, glad to know we can take the time to understand the other's point of view and disagree...nevermind for trying to use a good story to help explain my point...even though the story isn't complete accurate.

 

[Priceless]

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"Oklahoma University Medical Center and the university's Children's Hospital saw 94 patients injured by the tornado and other weather events since Sunday, and none have died at the facilities" Sounds like they had that covered without FEMA. Other area hospitals also received numerous patients, including facilities run by the Norman Regional Health System.

OK. We have it from Shirtless. No disaster relief funds needed for Oklahoma.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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OK. We have it from Shirtless. No disaster relief funds needed for Oklahoma.

Ever heard of charity? Isn't this the kind of thing the red cross does? Didn't Kevin Durant just donate a million dollars to the relief effort? Isn't that the way this country is suppose to work? Why do we need the government to do it? Seriously. People donate their time and money to efforts like this all the time. I don't understand why the FEDERAL government needs to be involved. Is that such a bad position to have?

 

[Old Pio]

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May I suggest, sincerely and respectfully, that we suspend this arguing about the proper role of the federal government in disaster relief until after the children who are dead and dying are recovered?

 

[MountieBoyOz]

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May I suggest, sincerely and respectfully, that we suspend this arguing about the proper role of the federal government in disaster relief until after the children who are dead and dying are recovered?

That's something I can agree with.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

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The scariest thing is that we built schools in Oklahoma with no storm shelters. From what I read today all the new schools get them but a lot of the older schools don't have them and the reason given was cost. Apparently after the last storm in the area they started adding them to the designs.

I guarantee you I wouldn't live in Tornado alley or have my kids go to school in tornado alley without one. Here in Minnesota we don't get nearly as many tornado's but we do have basements in our homes.

Adding a storm shelter to a home down there costs thousands of dollars. Newer homes get built with them now, but most homes down there don't have any basement of shelter to speak of.

This is the hospital in Moore, OK. How do you propose they provide emergency medical care?

Moore isn't out in the middle of nowhere. That hospital isn't the only one within a reasonable distance to Moore...

 

[unofan]

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Ever heard of charity? Isn't this the kind of thing the red cross does? Didn't Kevin Durant just donate a million dollars to the relief effort? Isn't that the way this country is suppose to work? Why do we need the government to do it? Seriously. People donate their time and money to efforts like this all the time. I don't understand why the FEDERAL government needs to be involved. Is that such a bad position to have?

Yes, yes, maybe (I don't know), no, because we're not a 3rd world shiathole but the world's only remaining superpower, and yes (sorta - it's not bad per se, but why should people have to rely on charity in a country as rich as the U.S. - shouldn't we expect more given all we've got?)

 

[unofan]

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May I suggest, sincerely and respectfully, that we suspend this arguing about the proper role of the federal government in disaster relief until after the children who are dead and dying are recovered?

Respectfully, no. Now is the perfect time to argue about this, because if not now, it will be ignored. See also, gun control, the dept. of homeland security, the patriot act, etc.

 

[Old Pio]

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Respectfully, no. Now is the perfect time to argue about this, because if not now, it will be ignored. See also, gun control, the dept. of homeland security, the patriot act, etc.

Politicizing the corpses of children seems to be something of a specialty.
Can't even wait for an accurate body count can you? Gotta follow Rahm's dictum and take advantage of every crisis.

 

[Old Pio]

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You expect "Teets" Battaglia to plead the fifth. But not a high ranking IRS official, whose only concerns, presumably are transparency and applying the laws even handedly.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/la-pn-top-irs-official-fifth-amendment-20130521,0,1022231.story

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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You expect "Teets" Battaglia to plead the fifth. But not a high ranking IRS official, whose only concerns, presumably are transparency and applying the laws even handedly.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/la-pn-top-irs-official-fifth-amendment-20130521,0,1022231.story

As far as we know, he's an American citizen. We may disagree with this and would like information, and some of us may imply information, but I'm going to defend his ability to do this, because that is what is protected by the Bill of Rights.

 

[Old Pio]

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As far as we know, he's an American citizen. We may disagree with this and would like information, and some of us may imply information, but I'm going to defend his ability to do this, because that is what is protected by the Bill of Rights.

It's a she. She is a high ranking official of the IRS. And congress has a constitutional obligation to provide oversight. Tax matters originate in the Ways and Means committee. She should answer the questions or resign. She has no constitutional guarantee of federal employment. She's not a Chicago hood trying to evade responsibility for mob killings. If she ultimately faces criminal charges for her actions, then she can plead the fifth 'till the cows come home. We pay her salary. She works for us. And we have a right to know about the skullduggery in her department. Answering the questions might even make a subsequent criminal prosecution more difficult or even impossible. Give her immunity. I don't care. Answer the questions or get out. If she wants to act like "Momo" Giancanna, let her do it on her own nickel.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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It's a she. She is a high ranking official of the IRS. And congress has a constitutional obligation to provide oversight. Tax matters originate in the Ways and Means committee. She should answer the questions or resign. She has no constitutional guarantee of federal employment. She's not a Chicago hood trying to evade responsibility for mob killings. If she ultimately faces criminal charges for her actions, then she can plead the fifth 'till the cows come home. We pay her salary. She works for us. And we have a right to know about the skullduggery in her department. Answering the questions might even make a subsequent criminal prosecution more difficult or even impossible. Give her immunity. I don't care. Answer the questions or get out. If she wants to act like "Momo" Giancanna, let her do it on her own nickel.

OK, she. Is she an American? Yes, she is. She has every right to not incriminate herself. People do bad things every day, but she still is protected by the Constitution. You don't selectively say people get certain rights and other people don't.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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This is one of the few times you'll see me defending this guy, but to think, the discrimination that he, I, and many other people in this world have to face. http://www.anythinglefthanded.co.uk/newsletters/lhc-nl-201305.html#1

 

[Rover]

OK, she. Is she an American? Yes, she is. She has every right to not incriminate herself. People do bad things every day, but she still is protected by the Constitution. You don't selectively say people get certain rights and other people don't.

I'm not happy about it either, but Flag is correct (cue the Twilight Zone music!). If there's a pending criminal investigation by the Justice Department you can't expect someone to face a hostile public interrogation that can be used against you. Goes to show the folly of some of these investigations. Instead of Congress, which is essentually useless, trying to get to the bottom of this, let the professionals do their investigation first. As much as I'd like to see Issa get slapped around yet again by one of his witnesses (I notice he didn't have the b@lls to schedule a public hearing with Pickering over his Benghazi investigation), another dog and pony show is the last thing the country needs.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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I'm not happy about it either, but Flag is correct (cue the Twilight Zone music!). If there's a pending criminal investigation by the Justice Department you can't expect someone to face a hostile public interrogation that can be used against you. Goes to show the folly of some of these investigations. Instead of Congress, which is essentually useless, trying to get to the bottom of this, let the professionals do their investigation first. As much as I'd like to see Issa get slapped around yet again by one of his witnesses (I notice he didn't have the b@lls to schedule a public hearing with Pickering over his Benghazi investigation), another dog and pony show is the last thing the country needs.

And I tend to agree with you on this one...the right really needs to pick and choose it's battles and actually wait until there is confirmed blood in the water before attacking on any of these issues. I'm sure some of the right will claim that if they don't press the issue on all these little things, the MSM won't pick it up and press the issue to get to the truth but it just doesn't seem worth it to any of these people to actually find hard facts and complete the loop before going public. That makes no sense to me.

 

[pirate]

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And I tend to agree with you on this one...the right really needs to pick and choose it's battles and actually wait until there is confirmed blood in the water before attacking on any of these issues. I'm sure some of the right will claim that if they don't press the issue on all these little things, the MSM won't pick it up and press the issue to get to the truth but it just doesn't seem worth it to any of these people to actually find hard facts and complete the loop before going public. That makes no sense to me.

Well, what is their day job? I mean, what would they do if they didn't have steroids or BCS or honoring the 3rd place team at the national knitting festival or some witch hunt to attend to? Either they have huge empty slots on the calendar that are filled with this type of BS or they are avoiding their real job to focus on politics, media issues and vote gathering. I know which one I believe it is.

It's like the difference between Lindsay Lohan and Glen Close...they are in the same business but one of them thinks you enhance your position by being seen, getting your name out there etc and one thinks you do it by perfecting and practicing your craft.

If you were a mediocre actress, or didn't want to spend your time in workshops and training, you might just take the easy path of risque photos, being seen in the right places etc.

Most of the idiots in DC have chosen the Lohan path. They believe it is better to grandstand 3 issues that are poorly thought out but resonate with the voters than to solve any one issue. If you only have 4 years, how many issues could you possibly solve...so they are trying to look like they are doing things while all they are doing is making sure they get seen on the tabloids, red carpets and E! enough to get voted onto the People Top 400 list.

 

[Rover]

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I don't think Congress, any Congress that is, should hold hearing on a pending criminal investigation unless they're investigating themselves. I'm sure I'm part of the feeding frenzy sometimes too, but its just too unproductive. If Issa and his committee wants to fish around Benghazi that's fine as there's no criminal investigation of the CIA or State Dept. Doesn't mean I don't think he's an idiot, but that's within their power to do so. If there's a final determination that the AP/etc searches were legally obtained, and then Congress wants to look into the reasonableness of the law, again that's within their rights. But this IRS thing they need to leave alone, as hard as it may be, until the real investigators are done doing their work. Its not like some of these showboaters can't just do the Sunday talk show circuit if they're that desperate for attention.