2024 Elections: One Last Chance for Democracy

[Handyman]

Harris has secured 1489 of the delegates. 75% of the delegates she needs.

 

[rufus]

Florida gets a little closer.

"roommates"

 

[First Time Long Time]

Pete and Chasten have two kids...they adopted twins. Not that the GOP cares about legal adoption for LGBTQ+.

And Kamala is a step-mom. Then again I've seen that as something being used against her to say she's not black enough... These people are without shame

 

[Handyman]

"roommates"

Yeah I wondered about that too...notthatthereisanythingwrongwiththat

 

[Handyman]

And Kamala is a step-mom. Then again I've seen that as something being used against her to say she's not black enough... These people are without shame

It's disgusting...and it will be their undoing.

 

[dxmnkd316]

As far as VP, if it were me I'd pick Pete, but I'm biased. I caucused for him 4 years ago, would happily do so again, and I still think he'll make a great presidential nominee someday. But my god, as an attack dog VP, you really couldn't get any better as long as you let him off the leash.

Realistically, though, I think it's Shapiro's to lose. Even if VP's don't matter a whole lot in terms of actually bringing states or regions along with them, any marginal bonus in PA would be a godsend given that both sides have very few paths to victory without PA.

Mark Kelly is better off staying in the Senate and holding that seat, especially while Sinema's is still up in the air, and while I appreciate southern governors like Cooper and Brashear bucking geographic trends, they aren't going to bring their states with them and they're also better utilized as a check on their respective state legislatures than being a VP that doesn't do much else.

My money is on Shapiro and Whitmer
*chasm*
next tier is Walz, Pete, Bashear
*1 AU*
everyone else

I'm with you on Pete. He is everything a VP should be.

I agree and think it would be a terrible move to pick Bashear, Cooper, or Kelly. For various reasons, local and national. You lose winners in those states AND they don't move the needle.

Whitmer is going to be a brilliant messenger for eviscerating JV Dunce on abortion and divorce. Shapiro is the best strategic pick. Almost guaranteed to need PA in any scenario and we desperately need help there.

 

[Handyman]

Whitmer is co-chairing the campaign I doubt she is going to be the Veep.

If Bashear has no intention to run for Governor he makes sense to tap him.

I would prefer Shapiro stick in Pennsylvania longer but who am I?

 

[RaceBoarder]

Break this down a step further with regard to Shapiro:

- What votes is Dump gaining in PA that he didn't have in 2020? Why are those votes coming forward?

then

- Who does Shapiro bring to the table as far as "new to us" voters? Is he the only way to reach those people?

Personally, I want Pete for the reasons others have stated. But if there is strategic value, I'm willing to make that play cause of the situation.

 

[BassAle]

Does the VP pick HAVE to be someone who will eventually run?

Definitely not. You can always pick someone with no intention to run like Dick Cheney!

I do agree with you though, 8 years as governor of PA would set Shapiro up just fine for a presidential run. I think the VP experience would be more critical for Pete. Mayor then transportation secretary, where does he go from there? If he wants to be in the conversation in 8 years the VP spot could be his best bet.


if Pete isn’t either in Kamala’s cabinet or her VP then he probably ends up as host of a show in MSNBC or CNN and that’s not great for player development

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

My money is on Shapiro and Whitmer
*chasm*
next tier is Walz, Pete, Bashear
*1 AU*
everyone else

I'm with you on Pete. He is everything a VP should be.

I agree and think it would be a terrible move to pick Bashear, Cooper, or Kelly. For various reasons, local and national. You lose winners in those states AND they don't move the needle.

Whitmer is going to be a brilliant messenger for eviscerating JV Dunce on abortion and divorce. Shapiro is the best strategic pick. Almost guaranteed to need PA in any scenario and we desperately need help there.

No offense but I don’t get what walz adds. We are not a swing state. Hes boring. He was doing what Whitmer does long before she was, and gets a tenth of the attention. Which is fine. Of course he’d be replaced by a dem because the state GOP here couldn’t hit water if they fell out of a boat

he’s another politician who does a fantastic job but isn’t charismatic and won’t be a draw.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Does the VP pick HAVE to be someone who will eventually run? I mean, I understand getting as many younger people as much experience as soon as possible is good for the party. But it's not like VPs have an undefeated track record throughout history of winning the Presidency; Governors are still more of a sure thing. I would also like someone like Shapiro to get more time as governor of PA and with that be much stronger 8 years from now; though I also understand the immediacy of this moment. Someone like Cooper being 67 I can see being too old; is Kelly at 60 too old though? I prefer someone Shapiro's age of 50 over Kelly's of 60, but do we have to go with the assumption that will be the nominee in 8 years? There's certain experience you gain from being VP, don't get me wrong, but 4-8 years of governor of a big/swing state might be the one thing that's better on your resume.

Yes and no. Depends if you think the death of trump is the death of Trumpism. If yes, then no. If no, then yes.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Break this down a step further with regard to Shapiro:

- What votes is Dump gaining in PA that he didn't have in 2020? Why are those votes coming forward?

then

- Who does Shapiro bring to the table as far as "new to us" voters? Is he the only way to reach those people?

Personally, I want Pete for the reasons others have stated. But if there is strategic value, I'm willing to make that play cause of the situation.

I think it's the never trumpers slowly returning via osmosis

 

[dxmnkd316]

No offense but I don’t get what walz adds. We are not a swing state. Hes boring. He was doing what Whitmer does long before she was, and gets a tenth of the attention. Which is fine. Of course he’d be replaced by a dem because the state GOP here couldn’t hit water if they fell out of a boat

he’s another politician who does a fantastic job but isn’t charismatic and won’t be a draw.

Right, I definitely agree with the first part of your post, which is why I put a chasm between him and the others. He's a good politician and a recognizable name in the Midwest but not much beyond that. Maybe a couple people have heard of him in PA.

I disagree with your comment on his charisma. He oozes sincerity while still maintaining that Aw Shucks veneer.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

The Representative from Bari Weiss has thoughts...

“Man who worships invisible sky daddy demands visual proof” lmao

 

[jericho]

Isn’t Mitch out in three years? Choose Beshear to keep his name there. Make Pete SecDef,watch everyone go berserk because the Defense Secretary is married to a man. In 3 years, Beshear steps down to run for and possibly flip Mitch’s seat, and you make Pete or Shapiro VP if he wins. If not, just appoint him VP again.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Harris now has a majority of delegates

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Right, I definitely agree with the first part of your post, which is why I put a chasm between him and the others. He's a good politician and a recognizable name in the Midwest but not much beyond that. Maybe a couple people have heard of him in PA.

I disagree with your comment on his charisma. He oozes sincerity while still maintaining that Aw Shucks veneer.

lol, just saw this on the socials:

“Harris' campaign has requested vetting materials from potential VPs, including Cooper (NC), Kelly (AZ), Shapiro (PA), Whitmer (MI), Walz (MN) + Pritzker (IL), according to a person familiar. Beshear told CNN he hasn't been asked to submit info at this point.”

 

[ericredaxe]

My money is on Shapiro and Whitmer
*chasm*
next tier is Walz, Pete, Bashear
*1 AU*
everyone else

I'm with you on Pete. He is everything a VP should be.

I agree and think it would be a terrible move to pick Bashear, Cooper, or Kelly. For various reasons, local and national. You lose winners in those states AND they don't move the needle.

Whitmer is going to be a brilliant messenger for eviscerating JV Dunce on abortion and divorce. Shapiro is the best strategic pick. Almost guaranteed to need PA in any scenario and we desperately need help there.

Cooper is term limited and not running for governor. You do lose winners in KY PA and AZ for sure in those states.

Not saying it is a good thing , but the country is still in a place where you probably need a straight white male as one of the two names on the ticket.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Cooper is term limited and not running for governor. You do lose winners in KY PA and AZ for sure in those states.

Not saying it is a good thing , but the country is still in a place where you probably need a straight white male as one of the two names on the ticket.

I'm just not sure that's true. The people who care about that aren't voting for a black woman to begin with and it's extremely unlikely they're voting for a democrat even if they're white and male.

 

[dxmnkd316]

lol, just saw this on the socials:

“Harris' campaign has requested vetting materials from potential VPs, including Cooper (NC), Kelly (AZ), Shapiro (PA), Whitmer (MI), Walz (MN) + Pritzker (IL), according to a person familiar. Beshear told CNN he hasn't been asked to submit info at this point.”

the slightest bit surprised about Pete but honestly it makes sense. We need states and he doesn't do it this time around.

Pritzker I've only seen mentioned in a few discussions. I still think it's Shapiro or Whitmer. Otherwise I think all of this makes sense and is in line with the consensus