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2024 Elections: One Last Chance for Democracy

Jimjamesak said:
The only way anything is to change is if everything fails. There’s this belief that things won’t be as bad because there will be people to stop things, to moderate things. “A lot of it was just campaign bluster” was what I was told. And in fairness, they’re mostly right. In the past there have been people that have moderated things. No more. It has to stop. It has to fail and fail spectacularly. It needs to get bad. Huge tariffs, skyrocketing inflation, 30, 40, 50% unemployment, people’s families being rounded up, women dying of miscarriages. It has to be widespread and affect everyone.

And I realize that I myself will be affected and that the people I love will be affected. It’ll suck and it’ll be terrible, but it is honestly the only way for the world to actually change.
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That’s Harvard MBA philosophy at a macro level.

Here’s the break from Harvard MBA theory being applied within desperate companies and instead applying it to a nation’s population: Unintended suffering brings about long-term change - eventually. Intended, forced suffering brought about by governmental acts, those incite mass uprisings by people with little or nothing to lose. It won’t be limited to race riots, though they may begin that way.
 
rufus said:
We'll, to be fair, their cult leader has spent 8 years telling them China would pay those tariffs.

Just like Mexico paid for that wall.

And dumbasses on here lecturing us how we shouldn't call them stupid, how that's no way to appeal to them. Ok, maybe they aren't 'stupid'. Maybe they have an actually education and some semblance of intelligence.

But they're ignorant as fuk. As I said, they know nothing about how anything works, but think they're experts on everything. Economics, foreign relations, public health, you name it. And they won't take any correction or fact-checking. They just know, and you can't convince them otherwise.
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That’s why everything has to fail spectacularly. They need a real lesson that can’t be glossed over and ignored in their bubble. They not only need to touch the hot pot, they need the boiling water dumped on them.
 
Jimjamesak said:
That’s why everything has to fail spectacularly. They need a real lesson that can’t be glossed over and ignored in their bubble. They not only need to touch the hot pot, they need the boiling water dumped on them.
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Do you really believe they'll believe it then? I don't. There is too much evidence to the contrary. What you're talking about would have to be the equivalent of Hurricane Katrina nationwide.
 
If any of you think for a second when things go to $hit it won't be the gays, trans, and Chinese fault, and HOLLYWOOD ELITE!!!, then idk what to tell you. The first rule of a cult is always the leader can't be wrong.
 
Bronco said:
If any of you think for a second when things go to $hit it won't be the gays, trans, and Chinese fault, and HOLLYWOOD ELITE!!!, then idk what to tell you. The first rule of a cult is always the leader can't be wrong.
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So we just keep doing this endless cycle where the Republicans go in and try to **** things up but get checked, then Democrats try to fix things but it’s not done fast enough so then Republicans get elected again and the cycle repeats?

Let them get what they voted for and let them get it good and hard. Then tell them that they’re getting what they voted for loud and often, no empathy, no coddling.
 
Jimjamesak said:
So we just keep doing this endless cycle where the Republicans go in and try to **** things up but get checked, then Democrats try to fix things but it’s not done fast enough so then Republicans get elected again and the cycle repeats?

Let them get what they voted for and let them get it good and hard. Then tell them that they’re getting what they voted for loud and often, no empathy, no coddling.
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Yes. Cause as a whole, the American public are stupid.
 
Jimjamesak said:
So we just keep doing this endless cycle where the Republicans go in and try to **** things up but get checked, then Democrats try to fix things but it’s not done fast enough so then Republicans get elected again and the cycle repeats?

Let them get what they voted for and let them get it good and hard. Then tell them that they’re getting what they voted for loud and often, no empathy, no coddling.
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Until the Democrats figure out how to talk to working people, yep. Every time. Raceboarder perfectly explained the situation and instead of most people here going, yeah that's the problem, instead we have a good old avocado toast comment.
 
Jimjamesak said:
The one thing that this election has done is that my empathy is almost gone. In fact, it’s almost reversed. I want suffering and pain, I want this world to descend into a hellscape. Give the people the world they vote for or are too apathetic to fight against.
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Seek Help.
 
Bronco said:
Until the Democrats figure out how to talk to working people, yep. Every time. Raceboarder perfectly explained the situation and instead of most people here going, yeah that's the problem, instead we have a good old avocado toast comment.
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To be honest, those are the people that need the harsh lesson too. I know plenty of them and they're all saying the same thing: "It's not gonna be that bad, they're not going to implement all that stuff. They'll never get it passed." The "both sides are bad/I stood up for genocide/Democrats ignore working people" folks who sat it out and helped usher this BS in deserve all the pain as well.

In fairness, yes the DNC needs a house cleaning and a push to the left as well.
 
Jimjamesak said:
To be honest, those are the people that need the harsh lesson too. I know plenty of them and they're all saying the same thing: "It's not gonna be that bad, they're not going to implement all that stuff. They'll never get it passed." The "both sides are bad/I stood up for genocide/Democrats ignore working people" folks who sat it out and helped usher this BS in deserve all the pain as well.

In fairness, yes the DNC needs a house cleaning and a push to the left as well.
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Listen to the little Authoritarian Statist. Go you little Tyrant!

The DumbFukcary is off the charts.
 
RaceBoarder said:
Now I get that damn alert EVERY WEEK when I go to Wal-Mart (oh, and I was fully priced out of the prominent supermarket chain in the Chicago area, so there is also a drop in quality of goods involved here as well).

Um, food? Stuff for my lunch runs about $5-6/day. A 12-pack of pop is $6-7. Usually $7-8 for a protein for a solid dinner. $10 goes towards two "Fruit assortments" for snacking when not at work. Eggs are $2-3. Another $15-20 in "quick" dinner items that I make 3-4 days/week. $15 in whatever "household" items are needed. I don't like coffee, so I do do a daily Rockstar/Monster for my daily caffeine fix, so $8.50/week there.

Stuff adds up quick when you don't have the time/skill to dedicate to cooking all week and need to accommodate being a Type-1 diabetic.
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I like how you're getting blamed for buying food in (presumably) a city where they jack up the prices. My weekly bill for groceries varies a bit but it's similar. If you're buying real food to cook like meat, produce, you run out of a spice or two, sauces/salsa, rice/beans, that can easily add up to $70, I think my last bill was more like $40 because I hadn't cooked some of the stuff from a previous week where I spent more like $70-$80.

I also get hellofresh for four meals a week without any premium add-ons but that's $60 every week. I could just cut out that expense I guess but it gives me some variety in what I eat. If I were to go to the store and buy the ingredients separately it wouldn't be any cheaper mainly because of the spices involved and I'd probably end up wasting some of the produce. This is still way cheaper than going out to eat or getting doordash which before 2020 I could do fairly regularly and still save some money.

If you ever get tired of Monster you might want to look into gfuel, it's one of those powders you mix into a shaker with water and ice and they have a ton of different really good flavors (candy, sour, iced tea, various lemonade, etc). I think it averages out to like $1 per scoop (2 scoops is equivalent to one monster roughly, 300 mg caffeine) but you can get discounts like 20% off with a creator code and they do have a bunch of 2 for 1 sales throughout the year that I typically wait for. Mainly recommending this because it's probably cheaper and I think it tastes way better than Monster and those types of energy drinks.
 
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Fun rumor that is floating around soccer circles: The incoming Dump Administration plans to use registration data from US Youth Soccer to help identify undocumented immigrants for detention.
 
Jimjamesak said:
The only way anything is to change is if everything fails. There’s this belief that things won’t be as bad because there will be people to stop things, to moderate things. “A lot of it was just campaign bluster” was what I was told. And in fairness, they’re mostly right. In the past there have been people that have moderated things. No more. It has to stop. It has to fail and fail spectacularly. It needs to get bad. Huge tariffs, skyrocketing inflation, 30, 40, 50% unemployment, people’s families being rounded up, women dying of miscarriages. It has to be widespread and affect everyone.

And I realize that I myself will be affected and that the people I love will be affected. It’ll suck and it’ll be terrible, but it is honestly the only way for the world to actually change.
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History agrees. The only time either party kept long term trifectas in DC in the last century was the FDR New Deal after Hoover presided over the Great Depression. Otherwise, it only lasts 2-4 years and goes back to divided.
 
Jimjamesak said:
I work for a living and largely live paycheck to paycheck. Yeah, things have gotten more expensive. It sucks and I hate it.

But look me in the eye and tell me that the people you and I work with would respond positively to a proposed leftist platform. They would either deride it as evil socialism or complain that it would be a half measure and not good enough.

Yeah, we’re a demographic that is being left behind. But we aren’t exactly helping ourselves by pouting and staying home every time we don’t get exactly what we want.
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The number of people willing to throw away good or even great because it's not perfect really pisses me off.
 
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