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2024 Elections: One Last Chance for Democracy

Is it your contention we havent...because if so I wonder if you have ignored Democratic Politics the last 20 years. Sorry but they made their choice it is not our job to placate them and hope that changes anything. We did that, and history shows it goes nowhere.

Think of the programs put in place to help those people...think about who implemented them. When the mines are no longer safe or economically viable we make sure they have unemployment, health care and offer training for new jobs at no cost. When monopolies destroy their business we fight to protect them. When unionbusting happens or the unions go on strike it is us who walk the lines and fight for their rights to a phucking living wage. It doesn't change anything because their grievance has nothing to do with opportunity and everything to do with the fact that they don't like that their voice doesn't carry the weight that it used to. They would rather go broke than accept the fact that they live by the grace of the people they cannot even pretend not to despise whether it is Dems, Jews, Somalis, Latinos, Blacks, Gays, Women or people too young to know who the phuck Grover Nordquist is. They are never going to like us, because there is an entire infrastructure built to make sure they don't. As long as the Boomers are a thing, this will be the problem. Gen X is very different and Millennials have no interest in that kind of hatred.

Do you not remember early 2017 when all we did was wonder "why did these people turn their backs on us"? When every media outlet and big mouthed Dem was trying to understand asking the very questions you just posed? Hell we did it here! We all had those discussions until the Midterms in 2018 and what we learned was, we didn't do anything to cause this. The GOP gave license to people who were usually inward about their biases to speak openly about them. That is why every group saw discrimination against them rise...why White People marched in towns saying things that would have gotten them beat just a year earlier. This is not some new phenomenon, just like cops killing Black People it was always happening, now it is just out in the open forcing us to reckon with it.

To subscribe to your theory is to believe that prior to the rise of Hitler Antisemitism in Germany was not all that big of an issue when in reality most people will tell you Antisemitism of the time is what truly allowed for the rise of Hitler...he just gave them a way to couch it in German Nationalism so they could say it loud and proud.

I know you don't want to believe it, I never did either. I wanted to believe if we just did the right things, if we talked with empathy to the "disaffected voter" that they would see the error in their ways and come back home. They didn't in 2020 (we needed an historic Dem GOTV to outflank them...barely) and they won't now or ever again...not as long as we believe that everyone has a right to prosper. Most of my life the Dems have winked and nudged that crap...pretending to care about everyone else while making sure the White...errr...right people got the largest portion of every pie. The second they let a N!&&#r be President that was the end of that crap... then a woman...CYA! Now its both...its over!

It's not the GOP I'm worried about, I'm worried about herr dumpy and the next guy behind him.

The one thing he's doing that helps is that he's alienating every minority to go D, but all of the angry white guys?

You just want to let them fester into the next cult of personality that blames everyone else to make them happy?
 
Harris needs to go hard after Trump for his lying and self-serving doomsday false reality. She opened the door in the debate to branding him (to undecideds) as a liar.

From CNBC's Carl Quintanilla
Past 72 hours:
1. biggest ever one-month drop in online grocery prices
2. biggest ever one-week drop in shipping container rates
3. McDonald's extends $5 value meal
4. Disney cut ad-tier streaming price
5. Gasoline futures imply an imminent sub-$3 national average

Also lean in on the all the positives in the economy and how Trump's fear-mongering amplifies to negative views of the economy.
 
I read something interesting that I kind of buy into...short of DJT dropping below 13 Trump's option to sell hits this weekend I believe. Now if he sells he makes booku bucks but it also shows his company is rather worthless. (you don't cash out if the price is going to go up) The only way it has value is if he wins. If he thinks he is going to win he needs to not sell off to cash in at a much higher price.

So if he sells off it means he is convinced he won't win. He is cashing out cause if November goes bad that stock won't be worth anything. (And the stock craters when he does) He might be forced to hold until the end just so he doesn't look weak.
 
That is exactly who I was referencing in that bit. If Minneapolis is "Little Mogadishu" than Willmar is "Bite Sized Borama" ;)

(second biggest city in Somalia)

It could be little Mogadishu, I saw Josh Hartnett the other day and as we all know he’s been wandering streets of Mogadishu ever since his Blackhawk went down
 
My absolute favorite take down of one of his rants was where he was taking a bite of deep dish pizza and quipped that he made it to Chicago and "you know what they say, come for the pizza, stay because you got shot."
which was *immediately* lambasted because he filmed it in a pizza chain in a suburb 40 minutes from the City of Chicago.

Literally no one says that - about pizza or getting shot there. :p
 
You just want to let them fester into the next cult of personality that blames everyone else to make them happy?

As Buttigieg says, if we do X, they're going to call us godless communists. If we do the opposite of X, they're still going to call us godless communists. So let's do what we think is best since they're going to fester into the next cult of personality regardless. They're the ones telling everyone else to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. Well, physician, heal thyself.
 
It could be little Mogadishu, I saw Josh Hartnett the other day and as we all know he’s been wandering streets of Mogadishu ever since his Blackhawk went down

Well played!

BTW I know Harris lost bigly but:

https://www.threads.net/@amy_siskin...QGzkF3FYQRYaWyr14H0GZ6jzCJjOZnrTl5S7ge4aHzlgw

NEW: Harris campaign announces it raised $47 million in the first 24 hours after her Tuesday debate with Trump. The $47 million sum came from nearly 600,000 individual donors! LFG!!!

That is 1/3 of what Trump raised in all of August :cool:
 
As Buttigieg says, if we do X, they're going to call us godless communists. If we do the opposite of X, they're still going to call us godless communists. So let's do what we think is best since they're going to fester into the next cult of personality regardless. They're the ones telling everyone else to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. Well, physician, heal thyself.

All of this!
 
Like for terrorism, all that really does is add to the white nationalist numbers. Not a great idea if we want to purge that cancer.

This country has an entire history of people picking up and moving elsewhere to look for better opportunities. From the earliest settlers, continuously pushing westward seeking better land or opportunity, from the slaves heading north to the big cities looking for work, from people fleeing the Dust Bowl for California.

If people aren't able to make a living where they are, they are always free to pursue their dream elsewhere. That's part of what made this country what it is.

If they choose to wallow in their sorrow and self pity, that's on them. It ain't for the gubmint or anyone else to improve their lot in life for them. Except, when the gubmint tries, it's usually met with a disdainful dismissal.The old Craig T. Nelson quote "I've been on food stamps and welfare, what'd the government ever do for me?"
 
But enough about Willmar, MN.

My mom was born, raised, and now is back living in Willmar. She’s a Democrat, never voted Republican in her life…and she says the Somalis are a “problem.” Okay, mom.
Their downtown is amazing…truly amazing. Rural white people shops surrounded by Somali shops and Somalis everywhere on the streets. I love it! Thanks, Jenni-O!
Marshall and Willmar dominated cross country and track back when I was in high school, thanks to the Somalis. Willmar might have even won nationals in cross country one year. We were in their conference. I finished 11th out of around 150-160 runners…all 7 Willmar guys finished ahead of me…6 Somalis and one white guy lol.

https://vault.si.com/vault/2006/12/11/home-on-the-prairie

An article on the team I was thinking of. Didn’t win but qualified for nationals. Abdi Awale and Kaafi Adeys were cool dudes.
 
There are people on social media who do those types of spreadsheets and such...I will see if I can find them. Plenty of stats people like Tom Bonier and Simon Rosenberg follow those trends as well. Rosenberg was the one shouting from the rooftops a month or so before the Midterms saying there is no Red Wave based on the actual polling. (beyond the headlines)

The aggregators like 538 et al. do try to include recency in their weighting, which serves the same theoretical purpose as rolling averages.

It will all work out.

I hope people don't freak out if the numbers don't budge. My intuition is Dump's numbers are completely insulated from reality and have been for at least 5 years. There have been so many Red Lines he has crossed paying no price with the cult, why would they suddenly become aware now?

I expect we are talking about turnout rates now. And those don't really come across in polling.
 
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