2024 Elections: One Last Chance for Democracy

[Handyman]

If anyone needed more evidence of who’s paying Nate Silver’s gambling debts…



“If you didn’t pay any attention whatsoever, you could say Trump might have won because he’s bigger.”

Good lord even Faux didn't spin it that hard...they at least had the balls to blame it on ABC while saying Trump was not good at all.

Nate needs to take Thiel's balls out of his mouth when he posts.

 

[Handyman]

Well if you did that you’d see an angry man frantically speaking and him doing that weird head tilt with the squinted eyes thing when Kamala was talking.

So I guess if one only cares about podium size, then yes, he won.

In the clips I saw he looked like he didn't have a neck. I am not sure he can hold his head up he slouches like my dad...

 

[Handyman]

I need to ask a dumb question- not about the debate, but I saw CC mention that VP Harris still needs to address the economic and Afghanistan decisions of the Biden admin. Fair enough about the economy- but that seem to be answering itself as we close to November.

As for the pull out- wasn’t this administration backed into a corner to exit Afghanistan because of dumpy declaring that we are leaving? And as they say, when you are that specific, people know when to attack. Also, in terms of US service personnel dying, have the dumpies ever address the dead from the secret Africa event where we found out that us service people died?

How does responsibility stick to Biden but not the moron? Especially considering his utter contempt for veterans?

The generals agree with you...I believe there was a statement released the other day when they endorsed Harris.

 

[aparch]

That whole statement, the wording, the photo, the “childless cat lady”, is one of the most cold blooded things I’ve ever seen.

There's a reason a subset of her fan base pour over every thing she does like Charlie Day's character in Always Sunny: because Miss Taylor Allison Swift is calculated and measured with her responses.
She's a chess grandmaster of social media.

Also give credit to Tree Paine. Because the Devil works hard, but Tree Paine works harder.

 

[Handyman]

Yeah, that’s what my daughter said (and she would know).

That whole statement, the wording, the photo, the “childless cat lady”, is one of the most cold blooded things I’ve ever seen.

And it 100% was coordinated...otherwise we are to assume she would have not done it had the debate gone badly. I think Harris knew she had that in her back pocket and that was the final nail in Trump's coffin.

And Leon...errr...Elmo is trolling for engagement with his little comment. he wants the Swifties to attack him to goose numbers because Twitter is cratering worse than Trump's underwear when Harris shook his hand.

 

[jericho]

So…it is about the size of the dog in the fight? ;

it is unless you’re Kristi Noem.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

The spin from Facebook Friend R's seems to be "Neither of these two are fit to lead the country. The American Citizens have lost!"

Two things here:

- These guys don't know each other. Given that they independantly have the exact same thought, does that mean this was a talking point on Fox/NewsMax/RWNJ Media?

- Are we reaching a point where we start to see at least a few RWNJ's stay home? As mentioned, the societal pressure is starting to mount on them and may be causing attrition.

Many of them will refuse to believe he's legitimately in cognitive decline, even though it's obvious. I've said recently that I predominately expect them to transition into playing victim. Unfair moderators and media piling on white men, Harris got the questions in advance, lawfare against Don is distracting him from preparing, the "uniparty" has the fix in, "airhead celebs" endorsing Harris, etc. Some old farts will pull their public displays of support (hats, flags, signs) if their kids stop talking to them, but I think many/most will still pull the lever for Cheeto purely out of ideology. It won't be with the enthusiasm of past years though, as they feel resigned to fate. Perhaps a handful of them do finally feel enough shame to just shut up and sit this one out. He's got 40% of the electorate locked in though.

 

[Handyman]

I would bet if the election were tomorrow he would get less votes than 2020...but yeah unless the next 2 months is him just drooling at rallies he will still way too well for comfort.

 

[RaceBoarder]

And just to be clear here:

I'm not saying that this is a cakewalk from here on out. In my anecdotal situation it's a couple of guys who have been all in since 2016 and they are showing signs of fatigue and tiring of the situation.

I'm sure most of them will pull the level for Cheeto. It's just fun to watch their world crumble down around them in real time.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

As for the pull out- wasn’t this administration backed into a corner to exit Afghanistan because of dumpy declaring that we are leaving?

Absolutely not.

Biden wanted to get out when he was VP. He couldn't convince Obama (who fell into the Lyndon B. Johnson trap of not wanting to be a perceived as a President who lost a war, so he upped the engagement -- during the Obama regime, drone attacks were 10x what they were during Bush's time). So, as soon as he became President, he immediately pulled the trigger.

The pullout itself was terribly managed. As someone who actually spent time in Afghanistan as a civilian contractor, I was greatly disappointed how the whole thing was managed. It was rushed without any perceived plan, abandoning most of our individual allies behind to fend for themselves.

(And as for Trump declaring we were getting out, that was true. He was also going to pull the trigger, but he was convinced to change his mind, so he never set anything in motion (other than the ridiculous release of thousands of Taliban prisoners with nothing in return). So, Biden was under no obligation leftover from the previous administration.)

 

[Handyman]

I mean the military disagrees with you...they say Trump set the terms and pulled people out first. When Biden stuck to the plan there was less than 3k troops still there.

Biden could have stayed but went with the deal Trump put in place.

(I can't speak for civilians only what the military has said)

 

[Jimjamesak]

And just to be clear here:

I'm not saying that this is a cakewalk from here on out. In my anecdotal situation it's a couple of guys who have been all in since 2016 and they are showing signs of fatigue and tiring of the situation.

I'm sure most of them will pull the level for Cheeto. It's just fun to watch their world crumble down around them in real time.

TBF, it’s relevant if even 1-2% stay home. He needs every single person from his base.

 

[Handyman]

Gavin Newsome last night was the best press agent anyone could ever have. And he gets what these debates really mean.

NBC News on the other hand...good lord. They almost seemed to blame Trump instead of complimenting her. Nice work Chucky and Kristen

 

[Bronco]

I logged into facebook today for the first time in a year. No political discourse from any of the family that were the most adamant Trump supporters last time. Just stupid non-political memes.

I was very tempted to post something about having a concept of a plan for dinner tonight, but I didn't want to kick the beehive.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

I mean the military disagrees with you...they say Trump set the terms and pulled people out first. When Biden stuck to the plan there was less than 3k troops still there.

Biden could have stayed but went with the deal Trump put in place.

(I can't speak for civilians only what the military has said)

Okay, there were withdrawals in 2020 getting down to ~2,500 troops like you stated. I thought Trump halted a lot of that, but he only did for a short period of time, then restarted it.

Biden could have stopped there (and did hint during the campaign he may), but Biden was known to want out back in 2014 (Obama announced such a plan then, but changed his mind). I still maintain that even if Trump did set the path in motion, no matter what state the situation was when Biden took over, he would have done a full withdrawal anyway. If Trump did nothing, Biden would have started it. If Trump did something (which I now see he did), Biden would have finished it. Biden wanted out, so I will still maintain the main onus is on him.

 

[Handyman]

TBF, it’s relevant if even 1-2% stay home. He needs every single person from his base.

Yep. He cannot afford to lose anyone especially in the battleground states. His act won't win new voters it's all about keeping his coalition. If he loses even 1% with the way registration is favoring the Dems...he is toast.

And the non Trump Administration GOP knows it (obviously they still support him they are just rank and filers in lower positions) they are almost resigned the House is lost and are begging for money to flip the Senate. Problem is he can't raise anything and what little he does raise he keeps. That lack of ad spending in every state but Pennsylvania and I think GA is a gambit they can't afford if he doesn't win.

Not saying that will matter in two months...but unless he improves his game I would be willing to bet the Dems get the whole thing (50-50 Senate) and this time I don't see them playing nice like Biden tried to do.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

this time I don't see them playing nice like Biden tried to do.

No way, fck that noise. If they get the trifecta (still a big "if"), end the filibuster and ram the D agenda through.

 

[Handyman]

Okay, there were withdrawals in 2020 getting down to ~2,500 troops like you stated. I thought Trump halted a lot of that, but he only did for a short period of time, then restarted it.

Biden could have stopped there (and did hint during the campaign he may), but Biden was known to want out back in 2014 (Obama announced such a plan then, but changed his mind). I still maintain that even if Trump did set the path in motion, no matter what state the situation was when Biden took over, he would have done a full withdrawal anyway. If Trump did nothing, Biden would have started it. If Trump did something (which I now see he did), Biden would have finished it. Biden wanted out, so I will still maintain the main onus is on him.

Correct. Biden could have but also knew if he did he would have been hammered for keeping the war going...something the Dems and especially the Progressives were highly against. From all accounts he knew he would take a hit but also knew the war was unwinnable and as you said, wanted out anyways.

 

[aparch]

We're cooked as a nation.

https://www.threads.net/@theeverywhereist/post/C_yAtmRvBrV/

 

[Handyman]

No way, fck that noise. If they get the trifecta (still a big "if"), end the filibuster and ram the D agenda through.

They definitely will on some things (**cough**Abortion**cough**) and this time there won't be a Manchin or Sinema to screw it up. If Tester is the farthest Right the Dems go (and I get emails from him every few days about his abortion stance) Faux is going to be spending a lot of time shocked at how well the economy is going and how happy the populace is.

Harris is not Biden...Biden remembers a time when the Senate was so snooty they didn't care about the petty stupid stuff and they could actually get work done. Harris had a firsthand look at the crap that was pulled in the name of bipartisanship and is not going to have any of that. As one uber Lib commentator I watch made mention of last night...you never heard Harris preaching how she would work with Republicans. Biden wanted to heal the divide and it cost him dearly. She is playing a different game.

My guess is she will break Biden's numbers on judges too...and if she gets a couple SC chances well methinks Scooby is going to be dancing down Hennepin Avenue!

(again this is all hypothetical)