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2024 Election Thread

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I have not paid for a news source in thirty years, which is the whole problem right there.

I will occasionally happen along cable or network news when trapped in a lobby or an airport, and I can't believe the level. It is pitched to 12-year olds. It's just painfully stupid. I know, I now, the George Carlin joke, but... maybe mass literacy and democracy were a mistake. Test all the kids at 6 and rescue the top 5%. Heck, the top 10%. The rest... I dunno... drugs, sports, and commerce, I guess.

The Greeks and the Aristos and the Illuminati and the Founders were right that only about 10% of the population is human and can handle anything less demeaning than money or violence. They just misidentified who the 10% were.
 
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fwiw as always:

Broad doubts about President Biden's age and acuity spell Republican opportunity in 2024: POLL

President Joe Biden's job approval rating hit a career low in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll and a broad 68% of Americans say he's too old for another term as president -- views that put him in a trailing position against top Republicans in early preferences for 2024.

Just 44% see Biden's potential opponent, Donald Trump, as too old. (Trump is 76; Biden, 80.) Beyond chronological age, Trump far surpasses Biden in being seen as having the mental sharpness and the physical health it takes to serve effectively as president, with wide doubts about Biden on both fronts.

Another difference looks equally problematic for Biden should Trump emerge as the Republican nominee: Americans by 54-36% say Trump did a better job handling the economy when he was president than Biden has done in his term so far.

Trump is not Biden's only challenge: Given his weaknesses, both Trump and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis lead Biden in preference for the presidency in 2024.

Indicative of those results, Biden's approval rating, battered by inflation, is just 36% in this poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates. That's down 6 percentage points from February and a point off Biden's previous low in early 2022. Fifty-six percent disapprove of his performance.
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Yeah we can't have too-old Biden, when we could have Trump (who is like 2 years younger).

These polls are nothing more than content fodder.
 
As Hitler says in Springtime for Hitler, "They try; oh how they try."

Nobody sane cares about Biden's age outside the Beltway. This is manufactured news cycle filler being fed by rightwing propaganda. My GOP friend is all over Biden is Too Old! all the time, it is continually force fed to conservatives in their Echo Chamber.
 
I bet the original plan (as it always is) was to pass the baton. Arrogance has sunk through just like it always does. All these people think they are irreplaceable.

Either way, if Biden is indeed the nominee I support him 100%. Cause the alternative is death.
 
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I bet the original plan (as it always is) was to pass the baton. Arrogance has sunk through just like it always does. All these people think they are irreplaceable.

Either way, if Biden is indeed the nominee I support him 100%. Cause the alternative is death.
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Well, also, to whom do you pass said baton?
 
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As Hitler says in Springtime for Hitler, "They try; oh how they try."

Nobody sane cares about Biden's age outside the Beltway. This is manufactured news cycle filler being fed by rightwing propaganda. My GOP friend is all over Biden is Too Old! all the time, it is continually force fed to conservatives in their Echo Chamber.
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He is absolutely 100% too old.

But I will still vote for him because I'm not a moron.
 
Another thing with these polls is that polling companies are really struggling how to convert the 800-1000 answers they got into a meaningful prediction. No one answers unexpected cold calls except a very... specific few people. Are they even calling cell phones? Are the people they're reaching - the people that actually answered an unknown phone number - giving serious answers? Has anyone under 30 ever even used the phone part of their cell phone?

I know I'm not saying anything you all don't know. While I'm sure professional polling agencies don't want to put out known-bunk results, are they using the same level of thoroughness they'd use 3 months before an election? Are they properly massaging the data using 2023 algorithms or are they still using 2022? Who knows.
 
At this point before the 2012 Election Obama was below Romney and "hypothetical GOP alternative" and the same sources were openly saying he shouldn't run for re-election. I forget was he re-elected?

It amazes me that people fall for the same BS literally every election cycle. "The Incumbent is vulnerable" followed by "this candidate is making noise in the Incumbents Party" (RFK Jr. in this case) followed by "numbers show enthusiasm is down for the candidate" are so paint by numbers and cliche people like Rachel Bitecofer have been debunking them before they happen. (she tweeted the Obama numbers last week knowing this was coming) Then nothing breaks the way the "experts" predict and everyone wonders why...when the answer is THE POLLS ARE CRAP AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN! The people interpreting them dont even analyze them anymore they barely read the info. Its like the nerds who play Fantasy Football but never watch the games and wonder why they never win. It is almost embarrassing that people still pretend they matter especially when they were proven pathetically wrong in the Midterms.

Speaking of RFK Jr. he decided he was going to continue to try and court the Faux crowd with his "Biden is murdering Ukrainian Troops" and "Vaccines are Bad" and "Hey remember my dad...he was cool right!" rhetoric. Hannity made a fool out of him I love a good cripple fight. https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1655747961253445639

(first clip is the troops, the follow up is his mumbling attempt to answer a question about flying on private jets despite being an environmentalist)

I used to love Cheryl Hines but jesus she is still married to this clown.
 
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And don't forget the primary challenger will pick up like 10% of the vote in the first primary, because no one really ever shows up to the primaries when your party is the incumbent to vote for the incumbent with any fervor, whereas the challenger will have a small cadre of motivated nutjobs, and then people will make a big deal out of it, even though it will as much as an impediment to the incumbent as a fly hitting your windshield.
 
https://twitter.com/RachelBitecofer/status/1655700216044208128

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It won't matter though. Really the only thing that matters in this election is (1) Biden doesn't actually have a serious medical emergency and (2) what happens in the country from about July 4, 2024 through election night. News and events prior to 7/4/24, unless they are literally Biden having a seizure or dying, will have absolutely no effect on the election, because the portion of the electorate that hasn't decided whether to vote yet is that stupid and forgetful.

As for the idea that Dump can't win because of the January 6 coup, Dubya's re-election in 2004 took care of that illusion for me. This country could elect anybody, with any history of crimes, with just the right combination of stupid events right before the election. There is absolutely no way to underestimate the American voter.
 
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I wonder what percentage of Americans really want a Biden / Trump matchup again?
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Irrelevant. This election comes down to the percentage of people who don't want Dump to be President ever again. If that number is > about 52%, our democracy survives for another 4 years.
 
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