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2022 Beijing Olympics: Don't Mention the Slaves

So what are the chances the rest of the non-Russian field in the Ladies Figure Skating just straight up boycotts the competition?

It’s going to be hilarious because all three Russian competitors have the same coach, meaning there’s a chance they’re doping as well. And the Russians are expected to sweep the medals.
 
Jimjamesak said:
So NBC pays billions for Olympics rights, billions for NFL rights and spot in the Super Bowl rotation, millions to ABC to trade for this Super Bowl to get a lead in to Olympics coverage and they're showing fucking ice dancing?
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Ice Dancing is probably the third highest-ratings Winter Olympic sport in the USA behind Figure Skating and the X Games Garbage. People eat it up.

TBF, it's pretty awesome now that it's indistinguishable from pairs.
 
If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd think Putin said he would hold off invading Ukraine till after the Olympics if she was allowed to "compete."
 
Jimjamesak said:
So what are the chances the rest of the non-Russian field in the Ladies Figure Skating just straight up boycotts the competition?

It’s going to be hilarious because all three Russian competitors have the same coach, meaning there’s a chance they’re doping as well. And the Russians are expected to sweep the medals.
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Even though all the screeching around this is hilarious since everybody spends all their time figuring out how to circumvent the rules, I gotta say it doesn't matter who the Russian skaters' coach is, it is the entire Russian Olympic program that is pumping lethal drugs into their lab brats. At least when the US does it it's under the auspices of medical supervision and carefully designed to be in complete accordance with the rules. We may molest them, but we check for counter-indicators too so that makes it okay.
 
Kepler said:
Even though all the screeching around this is hilarious since everybody spends all their time figuring out how to circumvent the rules...blah blah blah
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Kepler said:
Even though all the screeching around this is hilarious since everybody spends all their time figuring out how to circumvent the rules, I gotta say it doesn't matter who the Russian skaters' coach is, it is the entire Russian Olympic program that is pumping lethal drugs into their lab brats. At least when the US does it it's under the auspices of medical supervision and carefully designed to be in complete accordance with the rules. We may molest them, but we check for counter-indicators too so that makes it okay.
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If the West is indeed cheating as you imply, that really does put an exclamation point that our system is better. Over the Winter and Summer games, not only are the sum of the US athletes better than the USSR, the system we "use" can't be detected. The US wins the ideological war.

In terms of the molestation charges, I'd wager that the US is one of a handful of countries where that will eventually come out. I kind of doubt you'd ever hear it from the Soviets, and we all know the PRC hides it, even when it's exposed. Another win for the West.

The one part of the system that the West is inferior is getting to the judges- as it seems that the Soviets and Chinese are best at the judged events (gymnastics, skating, diving, etc) except for the X-Games events.
 
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MichVandal said:
The one part of the system that the West is inferior is getting to the judges- as it seems that the Soviets and Chinese are best at the judged events (gymnastics, skating, diving, etc) except for the X-Games events.
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Uh the US has medaled in every Women’s Gymnastics team competition since 1992 and has every Individual All Around Gold Medal since 2004.
 
So the IOC and the ISU seemed to be going ahead with the “let her compete but pretend she doesn’t exist” plan:

1. No medal ceremony for the Team Competition in Beijing.

2. If Valieva medals then there won’t be a medal ceremony in Beijing for the Ladies Figure Skating.

3. If Valieva finishes the short program in the Top 24 and advances then whoever is in 25th will also advance.
 
Solid interview with Tara Lipinski and Johnny Weir on the subject.

Basically, the whole subject boils down to Valieva being 15 and having “protected” status and shouldn’t be held fully responsible. Lipinski and Weir talk about that while Valieva is “protected” it’s not an excuse and she should still be banned from competition. They talk about having been tested themselves from young ages (Weir at 13, Lipinski at 11 or 12) and Weir talks about having to account for every hour of his day, every day for years while competing. Both talk about that, when they were sick, their parents had to call a hotline to see if they could actually take their medication.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Uh the US has medaled in every Women’s Gymnastics team competition since 1992 and has every Individual All Around Gold Medal since 2004.
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That may be a result of some former commie following... LOL....

But sure. Take out gymnastics.

We used to be a dominant diving program, but the very young chinese diving program....

My point, though, is for the real athletic, non-judged events, we do much better than the Soviets and Chinese- so if we are actually cheating, that means our system is far superior than the USSR, since we've still not been caught. Whereas the Soviets have been caught so much- when do we expect them to be actually representing themselves???

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Gotta give us some credit, Kep.
 
MichVandal said:
Gotta give us some credit, Kep.
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We run the world. If we didn't win it would be a shock.

But no, you guys are right, we are the sole world empire in history that hasn't exploited everything to our advantage. We are the exception. Everyone cheats except us.

I will never understand how people can look at a flag and say "this one pattern is different from all the others that ever were." Nationalists scream like a scalded baby and whine "you're saying we're BAD" when all I am saying is we're the same.

Hagiography challenged feels like demonization.
 
MichVandal said:
since we've still not been caught. Whereas the Soviets have been caught so much- when do we expect them to be actually representing themselves???
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I say all of this is solved the instant we take the country name off the athlete.

We don't "cheat." We control the rules. We are the world's white collar criminal -- when we do it, it's legal.

The Russians are incompetent plus they don't care -- so they gallumph their way from one cheating scandal to the next, with a middle finger. It's probably better for their ruling elite when they get caught because then they get to play the victim. Think of how the Right in our country gets stronger when they get convicted, because their authoritarians rally round the family pocket full of shells. The Russians do the same thing -- Moscow loves it when they can scream about American hypocrisy.

We work differently. America is about winning and monetizing winning, so everything is gold-plated and we made sure the professional barrier was destroyed. We rally our patriots with victories. So we set the rules and then we win by them.

China's going to be even worse than Russia. They're going to cheat because they don't care, but then they're going to do their weird passive aggressive combination of bribery and sulking so nobody calls them on it. But just as we could outspend Russia 10:1, eventually China will be doing that to us, so America is going to have to find a new way to peacock.

Personally, I'd rather live in an America world empire than anybody else's. At least so far we seem to have the most fun, even though we are also second only to the British in denying that we are the Big Bad.
 
Kepler said:
We run the world. If we didn't win it would be a shock.

But no, you guys are right, we are the sole world empire in history that hasn't exploited everything to our advantage. We are the exception. Everyone cheats except us.

I will never understand how people can look at a flag and say "this one pattern is different from all the others that ever were." Nationalists scream like a scalded baby and whine "you're saying we're BAD" when all I am saying is we're the same.

Hagiography challenged feels like demonization.
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Remind me why you spend any time on the Olympics?
 
MichVandal said:
Remind me why you spend any time on the Olympics?
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The nougat?

The Olympics are fun. I enjoy them, I just don't stroke myself using the flag. I find ample resources all across the world's athletes (hello, Tonga).

Jingoists think their way is the only way. That is their issue, not mine.
 
Kepler said:
The nougat?

The Olympics are fun. I enjoy them, I just don't stroke myself using the flag. I find ample resources all across the world's athletes (hello, Tonga).

Jingoists think their way is the only way. That is their issue, not mine.
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You know, it could be something a simple as you have no idea who to root for, so you root for your country.

And do you really have to put down people who don't bother to learn much more about the game than just the countries playing? No need to be an aaa hole. It's perfectly fine to keep your contempt to yourself.

Pretend to better than everyone else all you want. Just know it's not accurate.
 
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