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2020 Patty Kazmaier

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ARM said:
As thirdtime's... pointed out, Fillier didn't play the first time Princeton and Harvard met.

It is a legitimate argument that Giguère has continued to produce as the talent surrounding her has dwindled. Wisconsin's trio has been more productive, but in recent weeks, there has been more than one call from Badger fans to reunite them on one line, suggesting that they may not have done as well in Giguère's situation.

This is a very difficult year if the committee really looks at each candidate in detail. If they just say, "Who has the most points?" ...
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I forgot that Fillier did not play in the first game. As you stated this is going to be one tough one to call a winner. So many that are really really deserving. All of us fans are biased towards our player(s). Again I think Giguère is as worthy as anyone based on her play and the lack of goal scoring talent that she is playing with. Hope she wins but if not I won't be pizzing and moaning. Although I might pizz and moan if she does not make the top 3 ;) .
 
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FWIW, this Gopher fan thinks Giguere is the correct choice for PK. It's not Watts, as she isn't even the best player on Wisconsin, which is Roque. And you could argue that Shirley is better as well.
 
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vicb said:
Again I think Giguère is as worthy as anyone based on her play and the lack of goal scoring talent that she is playing with.
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Giguère's situation is a little similar to Decker's in her senior year. Wisconsin won it all in 2011 when Decker was a sophomore, made the final her junior year when she won the Kazmaier, and Decker may have been even more outstanding as a senior, but she was about the only big offensive weapon that the Badgers had. Knight, Brooke Ammerman, and Prévost had graduated, Brittany Ammerman and McKeough were injured. Packer and Sylvester just weren't the same kind of players. Decker did great to produce 55 points in 35 games, but it is hard to stand out when your team is trending down (UW just missed the NCAAs after losing in the WCHA semi). This was also UM's undefeated season, so that's where most of the WCHA attention was focused, so the analogy severely breaks down there.

Clarkson is in kind of a similar boat in terms of winning it all two years ago, making the FF last year, and now being more of a bubble team. Coyne and Chu both won on teams that weren't in the top four, but neither of their teams even made the NCAA Tournament the year before they won, so the trend was upward. By and large, the winners have been on top-four teams at the time of the voting.
 
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ARM said:
Clarkson is in kind of a similar boat in terms of winning it all two years ago, making the FF last year, and now being more of a bubble team. Coyne and Chu both won on teams that weren't in the top four, but neither of their teams even made the NCAA Tournament the year before they won, so the trend was upward. By and large, the winners have been on top-four teams at the time of the voting.
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Clarkson's down, but they're also missing something like 8 players to injury and are still on the right side of the tournament bubble. Look at where BC is in comparison. Clarkson's probably right around where the Eagles are if Giguere isn't on the team, and that's being conservative.
 
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The streak ended today as David got the first CCT goal,

However, #GiggyJazzforPattyKaz potted her 35th for the GWG and we escaped Hanover with a 2-1 win.
 
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joecct said:
The streak ended today as David got the first CCT goal, Assisted by #GiggyJazzforPattyKaz

However, #GiggyJazzforPattyKaz potted her 35th for the GWG and we escaped Hanover with a 2-1 win.
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You forgot to mention
 
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Someone was CLUTCH today, 1G 3A and scored a sick 3 on 3 OT goal that doesn't count on the stat sheet, or she'd have 5 points today. The regular season scoring champ.
 
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Worth noting here that Watts broke the all-time Wisconsin assists record today.

The record had previously been held by Kaz winner Sara Bauer along with Kaz winner Meghan Duggan.

Just sayin'...
 
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ARM said:
Giguère's situation is a little similar to Decker's in her senior year. Wisconsin won it all in 2011 when Decker was a sophomore, made the final her junior year when she won the Kazmaier, and Decker may have been even more outstanding as a senior, but she was about the only big offensive weapon that the Badgers had. Knight, Brooke Ammerman, and Prévost had graduated, Brittany Ammerman and McKeough were injured. Packer and Sylvester just weren't the same kind of players. Decker did great to produce 55 points in 35 games, but it is hard to stand out when your team is trending down (UW just missed the NCAAs after losing in the WCHA semi). This was also UM's undefeated season, so that's where most of the WCHA attention was focused, so the analogy severely breaks down there.

Clarkson is in kind of a similar boat in terms of winning it all two years ago, making the FF last year, and now being more of a bubble team. Coyne and Chu both won on teams that weren't in the top four, but neither of their teams even made the NCAA Tournament the year before they won, so the trend was upward. By and large, the winners have been on top-four teams at the time of the voting.
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There is no doubt this is a talented, crowded Patty Kaz group full of great players. Giguère has continuously produced as the talent surrounding her has been at best satisfactory. Compared to her contemporaries, she has nowhere near the supporting cast this year others in the category have. I would totally agree that many others may not have done as well in Giguère's situation. In saying that she has had the biggest individual impact on her team this year.
 
Hockeynation said:
There is no doubt this is a talented, crowded Patty Kaz group full of great players. Giguère has continuously produced as the talent surrounding her has been at best satisfactory. Compared to her contemporaries, she has nowhere near the supporting cast this year others in the category have. I would totally agree that many others may not have done as well in Giguère's situation. In saying that she has had the biggest individual impact on her team this year.
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If it’s strictly an MVP award, she wins it hands down. No player is more important for her team. Period.
 
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Hockeynation said:
There is no doubt this is a talented, crowded Patty Kaz group full of great players. Giguère has continuously produced as the talent surrounding her has been at best satisfactory. Compared to her contemporaries, she has nowhere near the supporting cast this year others in the category have. I would totally agree that many others may not have done as well in Giguère's situation. In saying that she has had the biggest individual impact on her team this year.
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Watts has 49 assists, Giguere has 28. Who is more valuable to her team?
 
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Timothy A said:
Watts has 49 assists, Giguere has 28. Who is more valuable to her team?
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Giguere by a long shot. EG has carried this team on her back. She racked up the assists her first two years when she had Gabel. No one is more valuable to her team than Giguere.
 
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rochnycsc said:
Giguere by a long shot. EG has carried this team on her back. She racked up the assists her first two years when she had Gabel. No one is more valuable to her team than Giguere.
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It's not a team MVP thing, it's the best player in the game.
 
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It seems to me the award has morphed into a best player award, not the outstanding student athlete leadership award it was originally.

Now apparently the USCHO seventeen want to turn it into the MVP award.

Unless Northeastern loses the their league playoff, Clarkson is in the tournament, so is a player helping her team to the #7 seed the most valuable, or is the player helping her team to the regular season WCHA championship and #2 in the nation more valuable?

I haven't seen Cornell play, but when your top scorer is a defender with 8 goals and you've only lost one game all year, can I assume the goalie may have something to do with their success?
 
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pokechecker said:
Unless Northeastern loses the their league playoff, Clarkson is in the tournament, so is a player helping her team to the #7 seed (with very little scoring help around her) the most valuable, or is the player (Who abandoned her team for greener pastures) helping her new team (Loaded with scorers) to the regular season WCHA championship and #2 in the nation more valuable?
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Fixed your post. ;)
That first part of the statement is far from the truth. Clarkson needs to beat Colgate and maybe get to the ECAC Championship game to make the NC$$ Tourney. I'm not sure they can do it if they are down to 14 skaters with Giguere as their only primary scorer/set up player. They really could use Friesen and Pejzlova back from whatever is keeping them out of the lineup.
 
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