2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

[unofan]

Once again, not everybody follows politics closely. Most Americans are, what's the word I'm looking for?, stupid. They buy a candidate like they buy books, movies, or food: for stupid reason. If you're a pol you need to factor them in or you lose.

If your product doesn't sell you can't blame the consumer. It's your fault.

Picture the average American in your head. Then remember roughly fifty percent of the population is dumber than that.

 

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

Once again, not everybody follows politics closely. Most Americans are, what's the word I'm looking for?, stupid. They buy a candidate like they buy books, movies, or food: for stupid reason. If you're a pol you need to factor them in or you lose.

If your product doesn't sell you can't blame the consumer. It's your fault.

No I am saying the ones in dx's scenario (the voters who stay home from the Left) will blame everyone but themselves for Trump winning.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

Yeah and the people who voted for uncle touchy on the basis of ~electability~ won't accept any of the blame if he loses either but let's not mention that...

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

No I am saying the ones in dx's scenario (the voters who stay home from the Left) will blame everyone but themselves for Trump winning.

That scenario is a myth. People who are checked in vote and lefties are more checked in than others. The people who don't vote are Bettman's "casual fans." The people who have no idea what the electoral college is and no political ideology, and who think "both sides are bad." They technically qualify as centrist but it's more accurate to call them detached, alienated, or hostile.

 

[Rover]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

Let me see if I have this straight. The person who ends up appealing to the majority of the Dem electorate via the primaries probably shouldn't be the nominee because they might not inspire enough Dems to vote? Umm...okay, so we should really be choosing whoever finishes 2nd? 3rd? 5th?

Its not like we're back to a floor fight at the convention and a smoky back room here. The Dem nominating contest will be even more democratic in 2020 as more states are getting away from caucuses and moving to primaries. Whoever wins that (Bernie, Biden, Harris, Warren, etc) is our best bet to win the Presidency.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

If the electorate is dumb enough to vote for one of the worst possible choices based on the idea that he's the most likely to beat Trump, and he loses, then they reap what they sow. But you want to have it both ways where the people who were dumb enough to vote for Trump deserve what they get and somehow it doesn't apply to dumb liberals who are equally as vapid.

At this point a head of cabbage could probably beat Trump but Biden might put that theory to the test if he wins because his history of voting for garbage like TPP, being racist about busing/crime bill, his inappropriate touching, having a fossil fuel exec as his climate adviser, is all going to get both-sides'd to death by you know who.

 

[Rover]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

If the electorate is dumb enough to vote for one of the worst possible choices based on the idea that he's the most likely to beat Trump, and he loses, then they reap what they sow. But you want to have it both ways where the people who were dumb enough to vote for Trump deserve what they get and somehow it doesn't apply to dumb liberals who are equally as vapid.

No actually you're projecting here trix. What you're saying is clearly Bernie is the best choice, and if he wins the nomination he will inspire the progressives to vote...AND the moderates need to fall in line and vote as well (which I agree with).

BUT, if Bernie loses to say Biden, then the electorate is stupid, have nominated the wrong person, and although you personally may vote for him, progressives are completely justified in staying home and NOT falling in line, even though that's exactly what you expect the mods to do if your guy wins.

Does that about sum it up?

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

Nobody said anything about it being ok for progressives to stay home, that's you projecting.

 

[Rover]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

Nobody said anything about it being ok for progressives to stay home, that's you projecting.

Comments from progressives like this contradict you...

At this point a head of cabbage could probably beat Trump but Biden might put that theory to the test if he wins because his history of voting for garbage like TPP, being racist about busing/crime bill, his inappropriate touching, having a fossil fuel exec as his climate adviser, is all going to get both-sides'd to death by you know who.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

I'm saying what will happen, not what should happen. These are two very different things you dunce.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

The voice of the #metoo movement right here...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Joe Biden was working hard to undermine the ACA's contraception mandate at the very moment that Susan G. Komen cut off Planned Parenthood, setting off a firestorm.<br><br>The blowback convinced the WH Biden was wrong on the politics of abortion: <a href="https://t.co/a191unFWA7">https://t.co/a191unFWA7</a></p>— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) <a href="https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1136390983048974336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Rover]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

I'm saying what will happen, not what should happen. These are two very different things you dunce.

So, if Sanders can't overcome Biden then can we assume he has no one else to blame but himself as well?

 

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

That scenario is a myth. People who are checked in vote and lefties are more checked in than others. The people who don't vote are Bettman's "casual fans." The people who have no idea what the electoral college is and no political ideology, and who think "both sides are bad." They technically qualify as centrist but it's more accurate to call them detached, alienated, or hostile.

No it isnt. I know you like to believe that (like you believe the Left is never racist, or misogynistic...or evil) but your beliefs are about as worthless as Rover's prognostications

Not everyone on the Left is a true believer...and not all of them are willing to make the "lesser of two evils" choice. We have multiple elections that back that up.

 

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

Yeah and the people who voted for uncle touchy on the basis of ~electability~ won't accept any of the blame if he loses either but let's not mention that...

If Biden wins it means the Progressives dropped the ball. There are plenty of Lefties out there polling just fine dont get lazy and Biden will shoot himself in the foot. Problem is it is the Progressive Left that has the ultimate litmus test and will shun anyone not in lockstep.

Get the Avocado Toast crowd to show up and they will have no problems taking down Biden. He might be good against a divided field but once people drop and endorse he is going to have issues getting most of the candidates to endorse him unless his polling goes off the charts. The Middle wont be enough to get him past most of the candidates 6 months from now.

Biden isnt the threat...the media is overblowing his impact because he is liked in the Rust Belt. Well when he endorses Harris or Bernie or anyone else the Rust Belt will go with him cause he will be told to stump there and never leave.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

If Biden wins it means the Progressives dropped the ball. There are plenty of Lefties out there polling just fine dont get lazy and Biden will shoot himself in the foot. Problem is it is the Progressive Left that has the ultimate litmus test and will shun anyone not in lockstep.

Get the Avocado Toast crowd to show up and they will have no problems taking down Biden. He might be good against a divided field but once people drop and endorse he is going to have issues getting most of the candidates to endorse him unless his polling goes off the charts. The Middle wont be enough to get him past most of the candidates 6 months from now.

Biden isnt the threat...the media is overblowing his impact because he is liked in the Rust Belt. Well when he endorses Harris or Bernie or anyone else the Rust Belt will go with him cause he will be told to stump there and never leave.

I think this is all pretty accurate, IDK if he'll shoot himself in the foot enough times for it to matter but we'll see. It's pretty obvious that his campaign team is trying to keep him away from the cameras as much as possible.

So, if Sanders can't overcome Biden then can we assume he has no one else to blame but himself as well?

I think him and Warren have an uphill battle against an older voting populace that has put our country in the spot it's currently in and it's gonna be tough to overcome. Ultimately it's on them to get the youth engaged and if they can't do it then yeah that's ultimately on them. But the idiots who vote for Biden in that scenario certainly don't deserve to be completely absolved either and if he loses to Trump they don't get to act like they're blameless because that's ridiculous.

edit: lmfao DNC
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WOW. Not only will <a href="https://twitter.com/DNC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DNC</a> not host a climate debate, but it has warned <a href="https://twitter.com/JayInslee?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JayInslee</a> if he participates in any non-DNC debates, he won't be invited to any of theirs. Shameful. <a href="https://t.co/IlANmNpJ40">https://t.co/IlANmNpJ40</a></p>— marisa kabas (@MarisaKabas) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarisaKabas/status/1136387829997735937?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Rover]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

If Biden wins it means the Progressives dropped the ball. There are plenty of Lefties out there polling just fine dont get lazy and Biden will shoot himself in the foot. Problem is it is the Progressive Left that has the ultimate litmus test and will shun anyone not in lockstep.

Get the Avocado Toast crowd to show up and they will have no problems taking down Biden. He might be good against a divided field but once people drop and endorse he is going to have issues getting most of the candidates to endorse him unless his polling goes off the charts. The Middle wont be enough to get him past most of the candidates 6 months from now.

Biden isnt the threat...the media is overblowing his impact because he is liked in the Rust Belt. Well when he endorses Harris or Bernie or anyone else the Rust Belt will go with him cause he will be told to stump there and never leave.

There's two problems with your well reasoned analysis. First is that if Sanders and Warren stay in it for the long haul they're going to knee cap each other long before endorsements from departed rivals start to matter. For example, both should stay in the race until Super Tuesday. Second, somebody has to cut into Biden's support amongst non-white voters, especially before the Southern states vote (again mostly on Super Tuesday) or his lead in delegates coming out of that day will be large.

If Sanders really cared about this country, he'd drop out and endorse Warren. Odds of that happening?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

I think this is all pretty accurate, IDK if he'll shoot himself in the foot enough times for it to matter but we'll see. It's pretty obvious that his campaign team is trying to keep him away from the cameras as much as possible.

I think him and Warren have an uphill battle against an older voting populace that has put our country in the spot it's currently in and it's gonna be tough to overcome. Ultimately it's on them to get the youth engaged and if they can't do it then yeah that's ultimately on them. But the idiots who vote for Biden in that scenario certainly don't deserve to be completely absolved either and if he loses to Trump they don't get to act like they're blameless because that's ridiculous.

edit: lmfao DNC
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WOW. Not only will <a href="https://twitter.com/DNC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DNC</a> not host a climate debate, but it has warned <a href="https://twitter.com/JayInslee?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JayInslee</a> if he participates in any non-DNC debates, he won't be invited to any of theirs. Shameful. <a href="https://t.co/IlANmNpJ40">https://t.co/IlANmNpJ40</a></p>— marisa kabas (@MarisaKabas) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarisaKabas/status/1136387829997735937?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Typical DNC. Dumb****s.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

If Sanders really cared about this country, he'd drop out and endorse Warren. Odds of that happening?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAh

Holy **** what a galaxy brain take.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

Let me see if I have this straight. The person who ends up appealing to the majority of the Dem electorate via the primaries probably shouldn't be the nominee because they might not inspire enough Dems to vote? Umm...okay, so we should really be choosing whoever finishes 2nd? 3rd? 5th?

Its not like we're back to a floor fight at the convention and a smoky back room here. The Dem nominating contest will be even more democratic in 2020 as more states are getting away from caucuses and moving to primaries. Whoever wins that (Bernie, Biden, Harris, Warren, etc) is our best bet to win the Presidency.

I would argue that the Democrats need the non-traditional voter to become voters going forward, if they want to survive this onslaught of voter suppression for the next few (4-8) biannual cycles. So they need somebody who will appeal to people that don't traditionally show up to vote in the primaries to show up for the generals. Biden doesn't really inspire that turn out, I'm willing to bet.

 

[mookie1995]

Picture the average American in your head. Then remember roughly fifty percent of the population is dumber than that.

Only if you source average by intellect