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2017 NCAA tournament selection thread

Re: 2017 NCAA tournament selection thread

Sir Nubs said:
If you go way back the reason the 500 mile rule exists is because before it did schools who had to fly would pay their own way to fly in a championship as a tradeoff for increased tournament access. Rule was created so schools wouldn't be stuck with the bill for a flight to play one game. Paying for a flight for some schools could be burdensome. This is the trade-off and not a bad one at that. If you don't like it, take it up with the Division III Management Council. I'm sure they'd be happy to educate you further. Unless of course you have no interest in understanding how most of this works.
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The rule that requires flights paid for by the NCAA for trips of more than 500 miles is reasonable. What is not reasonable is the requirement to minimize flights. The reason for that rule is that the NCAA Division 3 budget is strapped because the NCAA as a whole provides 3% of its budget to cover a division that includes more schools than there are in Division I. I understand the reasoning for the brackets as they came out based on the rules. My point, and it is probably too subtle for you to get, is that Division III is underfunded relative to its size. Would the NCAA increase Division III funding from 3% to 4% of its total budget, the issue with flights would be eliminated.

I know what the procedures are, I accept them, but I do resent the NCAA's underfunding of Division III sports when there is so much abuse and waste in the way that the NCAA conducts professional sports (or as it is usually called Division I sports).
 
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NU Pastime said:
I was watching Mike & Mike this morning when they talked about how Monmouth got screwed in their conference basketball tournament. As the #1 seed they had to play a true road game at tournament host #4 seed Sienna simply because Sienna sells more tickets. And Monmouth lost. That puts into perspective the minor complaints we have about seeding and the system, which while perhaps irksome are rational and logical.
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As a graduate of Siena College, here's what I have to say about that:

1. i'm 100% certain that the location of the game had absolutely nothing to do with Monmouth's defensive collapse in that game. Siena scored 25 points in the 1st half, and the. monmouth let them score 64 in the 2nd half. A guy who was playing on a sprained ankle scored 27 points. Monmouth can't blame the court or the crowd for their failure to play defense.

2. As we have long said, the difference between DI and DIII can characterized as the difference between "students who happen to be athletes" and "athletes who happen to be students." DI basketball players are employees of the school who are paid with an education instead of money. The schools want to profit, whether it's financially or through exposure that improves enrollment. These tournaments are a cash-grab, as DI athletics is a business first and foremost, just like all the pro leagues. If you watch DI sports and don't accept that fact, you will live in constant frustration. They periodically try to host it elsewhere, and yet they keep going back to Albany because it's where they profit the most. Monmouth wants to host? They need to show they can be profitable by putting back butts in the seats.

3. My Most Significant Response: "Sienna" is a yellowish-brown pigment and a Japanese minivan. "Siena" is a city in Italy and a college in Loudonville, NY. Learn the difference ;)
 
OSU2010 said:
I don't know why you're complaining. If your team truly is the best then that just means you get to watch a bonus game.
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Honest to God, my first thought was "wow, I can't believe we didn't get a bye" and my second thought was "nice, I get to go to a game this weekend"
 
CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
2. As we have long said, the difference between DI and DIII can characterized as the difference between "students who happen to be athletes" and "athletes who happen to be students." DI basketball players are employees of the school who are paid with an education instead of money. The schools want to profit, whether it's financially or through exposure that improves enrollment. These tournaments are a cash-grab, as DI athletics is a business first and foremost, just like all the pro leagues. If you watch DI sports and don't accept that fact, you will live in constant frustration. They periodically try to host it elsewhere, and yet they keep going back to Albany because it's where they profit the most. Monmouth wants to host? They need to show they can be profitable by putting back butts in the seats.
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Point conceded. That is indeed the reality. The NCAA's hypocrisy when it comes to DI is disgusting, and even if that's the reality it doesn't make it right. But that's why I have made a conscious effort to more passionately follow the DIII seasons of the main sports I follow (football, hockey, baseball). Hockey is the easiest to do so, in large part due to this form.

CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
3. My Most Significant Response: "Sienna" is a yellowish-brown pigment and a Japanese minivan. "Siena" is a city in Italy and a college in Loudonville, NY. Learn the difference ;)
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My apologies. I imagine it's an equal level of annoyance to when I hear someone pronounce the "s" at the end of "Illinois". :)
 
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KRBFLINT03 said:
Honest to God, my first thought was "wow, I can't believe we didn't get a bye" and my second thought was "nice, I get to go to a game this weekend"
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I certainly have no complaints about going to one extra Cadets game. The ultimate possibility of a matchup with Oswego, that failed to materialize earlier in the season, is exciting as well.
 
NUProf said:
The rule that requires flights paid for by the NCAA for trips of more than 500 miles is reasonable. What is not reasonable is the requirement to minimize flights. The reason for that rule is that the NCAA Division 3 budget is strapped because the NCAA as a whole provides 3% of its budget to cover a division that includes more schools than there are in Division I. I understand the reasoning for the brackets as they came out based on the rules. My point, and it is probably too subtle for you to get, is that Division III is underfunded relative to its size. Would the NCAA increase Division III funding from 3% to 4% of its total budget, the issue with flights would be eliminated.

I know what the procedures are, I accept them, but I do resent the NCAA's underfunding of Division III sports when there is so much abuse and waste in the way that the NCAA conducts professional sports (or as it is usually called Division I sports).
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You're right...it IS disproportionate. If it weren't for the Division I school and the revenue they generate Division III wouldn't get even close to the funding they do get because the "revenue" Division III championships generate wouldn't cover it all. We should all be thankful travel and per diem are what they are as opposed to what it could be.
 
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The bracket had to be like this. Anyone who saw any of the Point vs Adrian trilogy this season knows there has to be a rubber match asap.

And I know it's been said before but in '12 SNC was the defending national champion and the overall #1 seed and was forced to play a first round game. All it meant in the long run was that SNC fans got to watch an additional home game en route to another national championship.
 
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UCBadger said:
They (Mike & Mike) also talked about how the automatic bid to the tournament should not go to the conference tournament winner, but to the regular season champion......just saying. ;)
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Been saying that from the first season the conference-tournament gimmick was trotted-out in any sport.

It's a ridiculous "metric", kinda like the Electoral College.
 
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KRBFLINT03 said:
Honest to God, my first thought was "wow, I can't believe we didn't get a bye" and my second thought was "nice, I get to go to a game this weekend"
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Anyone know how the "proceeds" from the extra game get allocated? Does NU get to keep any, or does it all go into the NCAA coffers?
 
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Birdwatcher said:
Nah...it's always RIT's Fault...
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You know, I had thought about posting that, but right now they have (hehe) their own problems after being (embarrassing) eliminated in the first round (hahaha) of the Atlantic Hockey tournament (...and it was best of 3 games!!!!) by a team that had only won 3(!) games all season (ROFL)....so why kick them when they are down?
 
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Can some one clear this up for me once and for all- What is the seeding 1-12? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
 
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