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2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

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joecct said:
4/5 of Mets starting pitching is down (for the count?).
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deGrom and Matz have both been reactivated. Harvey will be lucky to be back by Spring. Wheeler will be lucky to ever pitch again.

Edit: whoops. deGrom start scrubbed and he will have surgery. Matz is still, AFAIK, due back.
 
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Theo Epstein isn't a mastermind for guiding 2 teams with unlimited funds to the post season.

Bring a team with no money, then we'll discuss how great you are.
 
JF_Gophers said:
Theo Epstein isn't a mastermind for guiding 2 teams with unlimited funds to the post season.

Bring a team with no money, then we'll discuss how great you are.
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Spoken like the fan of a team that has been to the world series in the last 70 years and won one in the last 108.
 
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I love the Cubs, I like Epstein and wish he was with the Twins, but JF has a point. A very good point.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
I love the Cubs, I like Epstein and wish he was with the Twins, but JF has a point. A very good point.
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And yet the Red Sox had gone 80-something years and the Cubs over 100 without winning despite their "unlimited" funds. Sorry, but if Epstein breaks both streaks, he's automatically a top five all-time executive.
 
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Don't forget the Dodgers, too. It's been a while since 1988.

Proper management trumps money. That's why the Cardinals and Giants both have 3x the championships the Yankees have over the past 15 years.

I don't know about top 5, but he's definitely in the elite class if he pulls this off.
 
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Winning the world series itself shouldn't be the litmus test for good money management or quality of executive.

Anything can happen on the field. Hi 1986! Hell even 2004 had the crazy comeback.
 
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Hammer said:
Don't forget the Dodgers, too. It's been a while since 1988.

Proper management trumps money. That's why the Cardinals and Giants both have 3x the championships the Yankees have over the past 15 years.

I don't know about top 5, but he's definitely in the elite class if he pulls this off.
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Don't forget the Dodgers, too. It's been a while since 1988.
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Highest payroll the last 3 years, 2nd highest in 2012 and all they have to show for it is
 
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unofan said:
And yet the Red Sox had gone 80-something years and the Cubs over 100 without winning despite their "unlimited" funds. Sorry, but if Epstein breaks both streaks, he's automatically a top five all-time executive.
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There's a bit of a Phil Jackson thing going on, though: he selects jobs based on promises by ownership to go for broke.

Also, the streaks are silly. They carry emotional meaning to the cities themselves obviously, but they don't represent anything significant. The Red Sox in particular has many well put together talented teams over their streak -- they just got unlucky in the post-season and unlucky in playing the same league/division as the most successful franchise in history.

Years finishing under .500 is a streak that might matter a little -- IIRC the Athletics, Phillies, White Sox and Indians all had long streaks of truly bad baseball. But Epstein's team, while well run, are also throwing lots of money at their problems, and the biggest advantage that provides is being able to recover from mistakes.
 
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I did the math a while back, I'll find the numbers at some point but going from the league average salary to 2x the average gave you a jump from 20% of teams making the playoffs to 80%.

Even going from 1x to 1.5x ended up doubling the playoff chances.
 
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Also, the Red Sox aren't the best example because the Yankees are also in their division. They've been outspent by the Yankees for decades. So it's no surprise they haven't made the playoffs as much because they are already starting in a hole.
 
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So do any of the Mets / cardinals / Giants want the wild card? They're all heading the wrong way.
 
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Saw, I believe, 8 HR at the Yankees/Rays game tonight. Rays had 4 in one inning, a new franchise record, and 5 for the game, tying a franchise record.

Dress like a seat night however.
 
ShirtlessBob said:
They're all 80-72. In the event of a tie, who gets in?
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If it's a three way tie, the procedure is A hosts B, with the loser playing at C for the second spot. The two winners then play the actual wild card game.

The teams get to pick which designation (A, B, or, C) based on other procedures like head to head record and the like.

This leads to the possible scenario of the Mets playing five games in six days in four different cities. They end the season in Philly. They could then go to St. Louis for the first tiebreaker, lose, go to S.F. for the second tiebreaker, win, go back to St. Louis for the actual wild card game, win, then go to Chicago for the NLDS.
 
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