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2015 USCHO Posters Poll -- 2nd Half

Re: 2015 USCHO Posters Poll -- 2nd Half

FiveHoleFrenzy said:
See, I blame the poster who titled this thread and left out the word fun, because without that reminder, fun vacated the thread once things like "citing research," "r-squared of the correlation" and "empiricist" etc. were introduced.
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C'mon, this is fun! I enjoy all the geek-stat talk.
 
Re: 2015 USCHO Posters Poll -- 2nd Half

1. bc
2. Minnesota
3. Wisconsin
4. Harvard
5. Quinnipiac
6. Cornell
7. Minnesota-Duluth
8. Clarkson
9. Mercyhurst
10. North Dakota
 
Re: 2015 USCHO Posters Poll -- 2nd Half

After all that, not really much movement this week. That's disappointing.

Week XVI Posters Poll

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[U][B]Rank Votes  Team (1st place votes)  [I]Range (Mode)[/I]  Last week (change)[/B][/U]
  1. 145    Boston College (10)     [I]1-2   (1)[/I]     1 
  2. 140    Minnesota (5)           [I]1-2   (2)[/I]     2 
  3. 114    Wisconsin               [I]3-5   (3)[/I]     3 
  4. 102    Harvard                 [I]3-6   (4)[/I]     5 (+1) 
  5.  89    Quinnipiac              [I]3-7   (6)[/I]     4 (-1) 
  6.  77    Minnesota-Duluth        [I]4-9   (5)[/I]     6
  7.  53    Clarkson                [I]6-9   (7)[/I]     7 
  8.  39    Boston University       [I]6-NR  (9)[/I]     8
  9.  34    Cornell                 [I]6-NR  (7)[/I]     9 
 10.  14    St. Lawrence            [I]7-NR  (10)[/I]    ARV (+1)
 
[U][B]Also Receiving Votes:[/B][/U]
       8    Mercyhurst              [I]6-NR  (9)[/I]     ARV 
       7    North Dakota            [I]9-NR  (10)[/I]    ARV 
       3    Ohio State              [I]10-NR (8)[/I]     ARV  
  
                 
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            Bemidji State

Week XVI Chart: http://i.imgur.com/AnZPXAn.jpg
 
Re: 2015 USCHO Posters Poll -- 2nd Half

TonyTheTiger20 said:
After all that, not really much movement this week. That's disappointing.

Week XVI Posters Poll

Code: 
[U][B]Rank Votes  Team (1st place votes)  [I]Range (Mode)[/I]  Last week (change)[/B][/U]
  1. 145    Boston College (10)     [I]1-2   (1)[/I]     1 
  2. 140    Minnesota (5)           [I]1-2   (2)[/I]     2 
  3. 114    Wisconsin               [I]3-5   (3)[/I]     3 
  4. 102    Harvard                 [I]3-6   (4)[/I]     5 (+1) 
  5.  89    Quinnipiac              [I]3-7   (6)[/I]     4 (-1) 
  6.  77    Minnesota-Duluth        [I]4-9   (5)[/I]     6
  7.  53    Clarkson                [I]6-9   (7)[/I]     7 
  8.  39    Boston University       [I]6-NR  (9)[/I]     8
  9.  34    Cornell                 [I]6-NR  (7)[/I]     9 
 10.  14    St. Lawrence            [I]7-NR  (10)[/I]    ARV (+1)
 
[U][B]Also Receiving Votes:[/B][/U]
       8    Mercyhurst              [I]6-NR  (9)[/I]     ARV 
       7    North Dakota            [I]9-NR  (10)[/I]    ARV 
       3    Ohio State              [I]10-NR (8)[/I]     ARV  
  
                 
[U][B]Dropped Out:[/B][/U]
            Bemidji State

Week XVI Chart: http://i.imgur.com/AnZPXAn.jpg
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Clarkson at #7 still surprises me. Against Wis/Harv/Quinn they are a combined 0-3-2 so I see why they would be rated below these teams. Against the teams below them, they lost 2 at home to BU, lost (at home) and tied Cornell and have a 2-1-0 record against SLU. So I would put them ahead of SLU but having them ahead of BU and Cornell I guess the shading in my green and gold glasses is not as intense as most of the voters. ;)
 
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Eeyore said:
momentum-going-playoffs"
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no argument there, but we weren't talking about momentum, we were talking about a team improving over the year

the first article you cited was talking about momentum, so I didn't bother to waste my time with the other articles believing you were providing evidence to something we weren't even talking about
 
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pokechecker said:
no argument there, but we weren't talking about momentum, we were talking about a team improving over the year

the first article you cited was talking about momentum, so I didn't bother to waste my time with the other articles believing you were providing evidence to something we weren't even talking about
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Those articles are about the fact that winning percentage late in the season isn't a useful predictor of how a team will perform in the playoffs. That's true whether you call it "momentum" or "improving over the year." If you don't want to read them, fine, but then it's idiotic to ask for the citations in the first place.
 
Re: 2015 USCHO Posters Poll -- 2nd Half

Eeyore said:
Those articles are about the fact that winning percentage late in the season isn't a useful predictor of how a team will perform in the playoffs.
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If there were actually such a thing as a "useful" predictor of how a team will perform in the playoffs they could just dispense with the playoffs and save everyone a lot of time. But that's why they play the games...because there ain't no such thing. Beyond casual, good natured, light hearted discussions of the playoffs, or any competition for that matter, such topics are just black holes that suck the unwary in to irretrievably waste their valuable time which could be productively spent elsewhere.
 
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Blackbeard said:
Beyond casual, good natured, light hearted discussions of the playoffs, or any competition for that matter, such topics are just black holes that suck the unwary in to irretrievably waste their valuable time which could be productively spent elsewhere.
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Live comparing strength of schedule! :)

Beside, what really matters is that all important first goal.
 
Re: 2015 USCHO Posters Poll -- 2nd Half

Blackbeard said:
If there were actually such a thing as a "useful" predictor of how a team will perform in the playoffs they could just dispense with the playoffs and save everyone a lot of time.
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This is only true if you have an incorrect idea of what a predictor is. Predictors identify probabilities (or, more accurately, probability distributions, though in the case of an event with a binary outcome like single game they amount to the same thing), not certainties. There are very definitely useful predictors for the outcome of the playoffs but that doesn't mean you should bet your house based upon them.
 
Re: 2015 USCHO Posters Poll -- 2nd Half

Eeyore said:
This is only true if you have an incorrect idea of what a predictor is. Predictors identify probabilities (or, more accurately, probability distributions, though in the case of an event with a binary outcome like single game they amount to the same thing), not certainties. There are very definitely useful predictors for the outcome of the playoffs but that doesn't mean you should bet your house based upon them.
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I rest my case.
 
Re: 2015 USCHO Posters Poll -- 2nd Half

OK I will get things started for this week even though there are some HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE games on Tuesday.

1. Boston College Until they lose, cupcake or no cupcake, they stay at numero uno
2. Minnesota Of coarse maybe they should be #1
3. Wisconsin They are playing like a #1 team
4. Harvard Do they deserve this spot after losing to Princeton?
5. Quinnipiac You can't beat Harvard so you don't deserve to be higher than Harvard
6. Minnesota-Duluth Maybe they should be #4 but then they go and lose and tie UND
7. Boston University Who knows where this jeckel and hyde team belongs
8. Cornell IMHO they could be the #1 team in the ECAC and right now are playing like a top 4 team, Jenner, Saulnier, Fulton and O'Connor WOW!
9. North Dakota This weekend shows that they deserve some consideration
10.St. Lawrence-Clarkson Winner of Tuesdays game gets #10 spot, the loser is out.
 
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Re: 2015 USCHO Posters Poll -- 2nd Half

1) Minnesota: Hopefully healthy after series with Charlestown Chiefs
2) Boston College
3) Wisconsin
4) Harvard
5) Quinnipiac
6) Cornell
7) Boston University
8) Clarkson
9) North Dakota
10) St. Lawrence
 
Re: 2015 USCHO Posters Poll -- 2nd Half

Blackbeard said:
You figure they might deflate their pucks a bit to gain an edge on pass receptions?
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It's possible, they've been known to do that up in New England. But for this reason their "puck girl" will be under intense scrutiny. ;)
 
Re: 2015 USCHO Posters Poll -- 2nd Half

1. UM
2. BC
3. UW
4. Harvard
5. Quinnipiac
6. UND
7. UMD
8. Clarkson
9. BU
10. Cornell
 
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