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2015 National Rookie of the Year Cordial Dialogue
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brookyone
Deport Right Wing Nuts
Re: 2015 National Rookie of the Year Cordial Dialogue
No argument from me...just a little surprise by the absence of a couple highly promoted rookies at D. That's highly promoted by their teams fans with a possible bias, anyway.
It was quite a talented rookie class throughout division I in 2014-2015 obviously.
No argument from me...just a little surprise by the absence of a couple highly promoted rookies at D. That's highly promoted by their teams fans with a possible bias, anyway.
It was quite a talented rookie class throughout division I in 2014-2015 obviously.
FiveHoleFrenzy
Well-known member
Re: 2015 National Rookie of the Year Cordial Dialogue
I thought back in August we had the proclamation that one was "clearly the best." Surprising indeed, but I'll bet she had great +/- numbers.
I thought back in August we had the proclamation that one was "clearly the best." Surprising indeed, but I'll bet she had great +/- numbers.
FiveHoleFrenzy
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Re: 2015 National Rookie of the Year Cordial Dialogue
Go Cougars...
BYU has a hockey team ?.
Go Cougars...
Re: 2015 National Rookie of the Year Cordial Dialogue
We debated Sydney Baldwin and Megan Keller. Ultimately felt O'Connor and Harmon were a little bit better balanced between offensive production and defensive ability. Keller is a great offensive defenseman, but she sometimes is a defensive liability. Baldwin is very solid defensively, and impressed at the Frozen Four
We debated Sydney Baldwin and Megan Keller. Ultimately felt O'Connor and Harmon were a little bit better balanced between offensive production and defensive ability. Keller is a great offensive defenseman, but she sometimes is a defensive liability. Baldwin is very solid defensively, and impressed at the Frozen Four
FiveHoleFrenzy
Well-known member
Re: 2015 National Rookie of the Year Cordial Dialogue
Very well put. What you say with Keller and Baldwin, in a broader sense, reflects the general stance that each of their teams take in how to play. BC definitely is all in on offense and the puck possession that they can generate plays a major factor in what they do defensively. Minnesota is certainly an offensive force but I think you see more emphasis on the defensive aspect of playing without the puck with Minnesota's defensemen.
Very well put. What you say with Keller and Baldwin, in a broader sense, reflects the general stance that each of their teams take in how to play. BC definitely is all in on offense and the puck possession that they can generate plays a major factor in what they do defensively. Minnesota is certainly an offensive force but I think you see more emphasis on the defensive aspect of playing without the puck with Minnesota's defensemen.
pokechecker
Banned
Re: 2015 National Rookie of the Year Cordial Dialogue
I'm guessing the MN freshman are happy with their season and that the ratio of time they spent dreaming of being national champs to making the all rookie team is somewhere around 1000 to 1
I'm guessing the MN freshman are happy with their season and that the ratio of time they spent dreaming of being national champs to making the all rookie team is somewhere around 1000 to 1
Hockeysbest
New member
Again the reason Keller and Baldwin are even in the conversation is the teams they play for and not necessarily because they've had the best year as a rookie. Take Alexis Joyce from BSU now she's had a phenomenal year but oh wait she's not a Gopher or is not on the USA team. I'm tired of hearing the same names getting tossed as the best D. I saw great D's this year and last year never get mentioned because they don't play for the "right" team. Baldwin got 11 pts this year. Nothing to ride home about when you play on the second line and have a team like the Gophers racking up more goals than most teams. I wish we'd look at the whole picture. +/-, assists, GWG, not just who you play for and number of goals. A D's job is not to score goals.
brookyone
Deport Right Wing Nuts
Re: 2015 National Rookie of the Year Cordial Dialogue
Perhaps someday you can be honest and admit you just have a major bone with Minnesota hockey that obstructs any rational thought by you.
Didn't see Keller much...but Baldwin had a very good, well above average season for any rookie defenseman and in my opinion her considerable talent was obvious. Baldwin's responsibility was not to score goals, primarily. A little contradictory to say the whole picture should be looked at, then impugning Baldwin for her lack of goals. It's looking at the whole picture and her skills aside from points production that make Baldwin a fine D with great potential.
Perhaps someday you can be honest and admit you just have a major bone with Minnesota hockey that obstructs any rational thought by you.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: 2015 National Rookie of the Year Cordial Dialogue
I'd guess both teams are very happy with the freshman defenseman they have. You didn't have to watch Baldwin too long at the end of the year to know that dismissive comments regarding her are based on something other than facts.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. You start by saying Baldwin only had 11 points, and then you say that a defenseman's job isn't to score goals. Which is it? It's always going to be apples/oranges when comparing players on different teams. I thought Joyce had a great year and was a very fine player. On the other hand, she had advantages that Baldwin did not. Joyce got a lot of PP time, where Baldwin was almost never on the ice with the advantage. Joyce was likely #2 on the BSU depth chart behind only Bilic, while Baldwin had Ramsey, Stecklein, and McMillen in front of her and didn't get as much ice time.
I'd guess both teams are very happy with the freshman defenseman they have. You didn't have to watch Baldwin too long at the end of the year to know that dismissive comments regarding her are based on something other than facts.
Rookie of the year selection is based on star studded glamour team first, player second. None of the top candidates would have been considered had they been playing on a mid to low team. Pick a candidate that made a significant difference to their team as a freshman, not someone surrounded by a team of previous rookie of the year candidates and winners.
pokechecker
Banned
Re: 2015 National Rookie of the Year Cordial Dialogue
In some respects I agree with this, but it is a double edges sword, it also exposes you to any weaknesses, and also the frame of reference is higher. playing in tournament finals, both conference & NCAA, is an extra opportunity for exposure, but again, it works both ways if a player gets burned (which is highly likely given the high level of competition). I was not overly impressed by any freshman D at the final 4 (to the point they stood out making great plays) but it may be that they were playing conservatively, after all, the competition was higher. I suspect they may have been just trying to avoid screwing up more than trying to make an outstanding play, unless forced to.
In some respects I agree with this, but it is a double edges sword, it also exposes you to any weaknesses, and also the frame of reference is higher. playing in tournament finals, both conference & NCAA, is an extra opportunity for exposure, but again, it works both ways if a player gets burned (which is highly likely given the high level of competition). I was not overly impressed by any freshman D at the final 4 (to the point they stood out making great plays) but it may be that they were playing conservatively, after all, the competition was higher. I suspect they may have been just trying to avoid screwing up more than trying to make an outstanding play, unless forced to.
FiveHoleFrenzy
Well-known member
Re: 2015 National Rookie of the Year Cordial Dialogue
So... Ixnay to players surrounded by previous rookie of the year candidates and gasp! Winners...
Guess that rules out Sarah Potomak.
So... Ixnay to players surrounded by previous rookie of the year candidates and gasp! Winners...
Guess that rules out Sarah Potomak.
Ted Knight
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Re: 2015 National Rookie of the Year Cordial Dialogue
that girl is a stud...saw her 2 years now at u18. she is going to be a star in Canada...no question. Great kid too.
that girl is a stud...saw her 2 years now at u18. she is going to be a star in Canada...no question. Great kid too.
Puckdrop14
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Re: 2015 National Rookie of the Year Cordial Dialogue
She is a toe drag magician and once the league has seen her a few times, they will be able to slow her down but the issue is that she has many tools in her tool box and sees the ice better than most. Her younger sister is bigger and may even be more talented. If she joins Sarah - it will be nice to watch them play together for a few years.
She is a toe drag magician and once the league has seen her a few times, they will be able to slow her down but the issue is that she has many tools in her tool box and sees the ice better than most. Her younger sister is bigger and may even be more talented. If she joins Sarah - it will be nice to watch them play together for a few years.
Ted Knight
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Re: 2015 National Rookie of the Year Cordial Dialogue
Nobody is even close. great kid too
Nobody is even close. great kid too
Re: 2015 National Rookie of the Year Cordial Dialogue
Quite a few freshman forwards in the 10 through 14 goal range but getting there with less line and team support.
Black and Selander look to be the top freshman goaltenders so far this season. How about defense?
Quite a few freshman forwards in the 10 through 14 goal range but getting there with less line and team support.
Black and Selander look to be the top freshman goaltenders so far this season. How about defense?