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2015 National Rookie of the Year Cordial Dialogue

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This convo has me crying about the loss of Cianfarano all over again. Pankowski and Clark have developed into a spectacular combo. Can't imagine adding TT into that. SIGH

Add Victoria Bach from Boston University name to the Rookie of the year discussion. She has 12 points in 14 games so far this season and will be an offensive force for BU and Team Canada (just named to 2015 Development team) for years to come. Very talented player!
 
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Add Victoria Bach from Boston University name to the Rookie of the year discussion. She has 12 points in 14 games so far this season and will be an offensive force for BU and Team Canada (just named to 2015 Development team) for years to come. Very talented player!

hopefully she'll learn how to play defense ;)
it was only one game that I saw back in OCT, but I was more impressed with BU's 3rd line and Rebecca Leslie
 
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hopefully she'll learn how to play defense ;)
it was only one game that I saw back in OCT, but I was more impressed with BU's 3rd line and Rebecca Leslie

Good point, needs to learn to play at both ends of the ice. Among BU team leaders (in a bad way) for +/-. That said, having a player that can consistently score is hard to find in women's hockey.
 
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I'm going to avoid some of the superstars playing on the D1 all star teams and suggest some players that may not get the respect they deserve because of their teams lower ranked status. When looking at players for an award I always ask myself, where would that team be without that player? Or how would that player impact a last place team? I have no doubt Wisconsin would just keep rolling along without pankowski and clark and maybe the two of them would move a providence or Syracuse type of team up but they are on atop three with great players as a support system. So why does everybody keep mentioning these players? The team and their rank has a lot to
do with it. Cianfarano is making a huge difference for Quinnipiac so yeah very legit contender. How about grossi for the cuse? This team is nowhere near contending but she's tied 3rd overall in fr scoring on A very sub par team? Robello for mercy, second in scoring but has a bit More support. This is not even considering defence and goaltending where there are certainly more candidates. I like the underdogs that don't always get the respect they deserve because they are not on the super teams.
 
Re: 2015 National Rookie of the Year Cordial Dialogue

I'm going to avoid some of the superstars playing on the D1 all star teams and suggest some players that may not get the respect they deserve because of their teams lower ranked status. When looking at players for an award I always ask myself, where would that team be without that player? Or how would that player impact a last place team? I have no doubt Wisconsin would just keep rolling along without pankowski and clark and maybe the two of them would move a providence or Syracuse type of team up but they are on atop three with great players as a support system. So why does everybody keep mentioning these players? The team and their rank has a lot to
do with it. Cianfarano is making a huge difference for Quinnipiac so yeah very legit contender. How about grossi for the cuse? This team is nowhere near contending but she's tied 3rd overall in fr scoring on A very sub par team? Robello for mercy, second in scoring but has a bit More support. This is not even considering defence and goaltending where there are certainly more candidates. I like the underdogs that don't always get the respect they deserve because they are not on the super teams.
I've read similar, even identical sentiments posted many times during discussions of individual players where an official award or recognition is at stake. Can't argue with the clear deserving nature of the high impact players on teams outside of those highly ranked and judged as deeper in talent. They should be promoted and merit as much consideration and respect as other contenders.

It is an individual award. I don't claim to know what those who vote consider or to what degree they may analyze or dissect...say, a players stats, or other player attributes.

But again, it is an individual award...so while successful freshmen from outside the higher profile teams certainly deserve equal consideration I'm always a little uncomfortable with suggestions that the team of any contender should be a factor. It may well be a factor for those voting. That's reasonable, but if it's me...I'm going to try and decide by attempting to strictly compare player(s) individual performances. The team obviously does impact a players success so it may not be easy, or entirely possible to weigh one against another, on individual merits alone, with perfect accuracy.

Basically my concern is that the strength of a contenders team not be a negative for their consideration. Not held against them.

Plus, it would seem likely to me that voters throughout D-I conferences would likely not have seen all legit candidates play...live and in person. Right?
 
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I've read similar, even identical sentiments posted many times during discussions of individual players where an official award or recognition is at stake. Can't argue with the clear deserving nature of the high impact players on teams outside of those highly ranked and judged as deeper in talent. They should be promoted and merit as much consideration and respect as other contenders.

It is an individual award. I don't claim to know what those who vote consider or to what degree they may analyze or dissect...say, a players stats, or other player attributes.

But again, it is an individual award...so while successful freshmen from outside the higher profile teams certainly deserve equal consideration I'm always a little uncomfortable with suggestions that the team of any contender should be a factor. It may well be a factor for those voting. That's reasonable, but if it's me...I'm going to try and decide by attempting to strictly compare player(s) individual performances. The team obviously does impact a players success so it may not be easy, or entirely possible to weigh one against another, on individual merits alone, with perfect accuracy.

Basically my concern is that the strength of a contenders team not be a negative for their consideration. Not held against them.

Plus, it would seem likely to me that voters throughout D-I conferences would likely not have seen all legit candidates play...live and in person. Right?

Agreed, always a tough decision regardless and everybody has a different perspective when choosing.
 
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I'm going to avoid some of the superstars playing on the D1 all star teams and suggest some players that may not get the respect they deserve because of their teams lower ranked status. When looking at players for an award I always ask myself, where would that team be without that player? Or how would that player impact a last place team? I have no doubt Wisconsin would just keep rolling along without pankowski and clark and maybe the two of them would move a providence or Syracuse type of team up but they are on atop three with great players as a support system. So why does everybody keep mentioning these players? The team and their rank has a lot to
do with it. Cianfarano is making a huge difference for Quinnipiac so yeah very legit contender. How about grossi for the cuse? This team is nowhere near contending but she's tied 3rd overall in fr scoring on A very sub par team? Robello for mercy, second in scoring but has a bit More support. This is not even considering defence and goaltending where there are certainly more candidates. I like the underdogs that don't always get the respect they deserve because they are not on the super teams.

I agree with you, the problem is that players on the top teams accumulate more points because they are playing with better players. So when you compare stats, the players on the top teams look more impressive.

Minnesota State has yet to win a game, their leading goal scorer and also total points, freshman Nicole Schammel has 1/3 of their goals.
 
I agree with you, the problem is that players on the top teams accumulate more points because they are playing with better players. So when you compare stats, the players on the top teams look more impressive.

Minnesota State has yet to win a game, their leading goal scorer and also total points, freshman Nicole Schammel has 1/3 of their goals.

Agreed. I missed her as I just looked at the top d1freshmen scorers, not individual team scorers.
 
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I agree with you, the problem is that players on the top teams accumulate more points because they are playing with better players. So when you compare stats, the players on the top teams look more impressive.

Minnesota State has yet to win a game, their leading goal scorer and also total points, freshman Nicole Schammel has 1/3 of their goals.


I agree. When evaluating players, consideration should be given to leading goal scorers, and/or assisted goal scorers on weaker teams...after all where would Gretzky be without Messier. Playmakers can be as important as goal scores, and even more so on weaker teams. It's not hard for an opponent to determine who the leading goal scorer is and assign a shadow for that player.
 
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Kelly Pannek, gaining some momentum.
Word. Since she started centering Bona and Lorence, it has taken both Pannek and the Gophers to a different level. Also, I think it has helped Pannek and Baldwin as well to get to play some series that weren't as challenging as those in that first month. Finally they could relax and just settle in without every move having a game hanging in the balance.
 
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28 Taylar Cianfarano Fr F 19 9 8 17 4 +15 0 0 0 5 0 0 70
 
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Goalie Shea Tiley, Fr, Clarkson 19GP 12-6-1 1034:18 min 26 GA 336 SH .928 PCTG 1.5083 GA
 
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Last six games: 6 goals, 11 assists, 2.83 PPG so yes she is definitely on a roll.
Pannek now thru 25 games: 9-21-30 @ 1.20 pts/g, 2 PPG and 1 GWG

Among forwards, Pankowski of Wisconsin, Kent of Boston College and Cianfarano of Quinni are close behind. Cianfarano the leader in goals with 14.

And regarding those who may not receive due recognition per the team they play for, I'm going to add forward Nicole Schammel of Minnesota State to the list.
 
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Pannek now thru 25 games: 9-21-30 @ 1.20 pts/g, 2 PPG and 1 GWG

Among forwards, Pankowski of Wisconsin, Kent of Boston College and Cianfarano of Quinni are close behind. Cianfarano the leader in goals with 14.

And regarding those who may not receive due recognition per the team they play for, I'm going to add forward Nicole Schammel of Minnesota State to the list.

Schammel is MN State. Kent shouldn't be on the list, she perhaps plays with the best line in the NCAA and it's not really because of her. Could you imagine Cianfarano on that line? Wow!

Pankowski, Cianfarno, Pannek & Burt BC Goalie (watched her yesterday & she is very good).

What about D-man?
 
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What about D-man?
I've been very impressed with the season Alexis Joyce is putting together at Bemidji State. In terms of scoring average, Erin O'Connor of Cornell is tops, averaging a point per game.
 
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I've been very impressed with the season Alexis Joyce is putting together at Bemidji State. In terms of scoring average, Erin O'Connor of Cornell is tops, averaging a point per game.

I agree Joyce is solid. She has offense ability and plays really well in the D zone. Leads an important role on that team for a freshman too.
 
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Hockey East top rookies:
Kenzie Kent F BC
Tori Sullivan F BC
Katie Burt G BC
Megan Keller D BC
Victoria Bach F BU
Rebecca Leslie F BU
Denisa Krizova F NU
Leah Lum F UCONN
 
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