2015-2016 Division I Commitments

[Eeyore]

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Of course it's the same thing, there was a meeting of the minds...the seller agreed to sell for $1K and the buyer agreed to buy it for that price. There was an agreement..."a promise what both will do in the future".

Right. Verbal contracts are just as binding as written ones; the distinction isn't that the former isn't binding, it's that it can be hard to prove that the contract existed. Someone who breaks a verbal contract is just as guilty of committing a tort.

 

[pokechecker]

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nice to see eeyore back to being disagreeable as ever
for a moment I thought there was something serious wrong with you and had come to terms with your life and not to nit pick everything and argue the fine points nobody gives a crap about

so apparently blackbeard, eeyore and the rest feel college coaches are no different than used car salesmen

 

[ManBehindTheCurtain]

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Some of you are talking about commitments for college scholarships, some of you are talking contract law.

Mere offer and acceptance, whether written or oral, would not usually be sufficient to establish contract. There are several additional elements necessary to establish a contract, the one that usually comes up next is consideration.

 

[ne7minder]

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Mere offer and acceptance, whether written or oral, would not usually be sufficient to establish contract. There are several additional elements necessary to establish a contract, the one that usually comes up next is consideration.

I'd start with competence; A 16 or 17 year old is not usually considered competent to make a contract. If it was oral I'd also want to consider mutuality of obligation. Both sides have to agree that they understood what was agreed to. But really if you are that far into the mud I doubt the two parties are going to form a working relationship that can work for four years and both would be better off taking a pass.

so apparently blackbeard, eeyore and the rest feel college coaches are no different than used car salesmen

I know I am not a fair judge but I'm not convinced that the difference is all that great. In my (admittedly limited) experience highly successful coaches and car salesmen have sociopath tendencies.

 

[Call It]

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and the rest feel college coaches are no different than used car salesmen

I for one do. I also feel that women players get the coaches that can't make it in the Men's game. What current Women's coach could make it in the Men's Game?

 

[Blackbeard]

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I for one do. I also feel that women players get the coaches that can't make it in the Men's game. What current Women's coach could make it in the Men's Game?[/QUOT

Mark Johnson? Just aksin'.

Not arguing your opinion but your reasoning might be debated by some. Brings to mind a comment made to me a few days ago by a good friend of mine, (whom I've mentioned here before), who has been very active in the hockey world here and has run no whistle scrimmages emphasizing skating, passing and quick decision execution for close to 25 years for both genders with upper half skill sets...many Female AA, AAA, and boys 14 yrs of age or so and up...juniors in the WHL and ECAC...even some NHL farm team players and active NHL players...Dale Weise comes to mind...seen him there many times.

His comment was this..."as I have said many times before...the top girl players are better than 90% of men who play...the 10% are the pros who are just physically stronger...that's it...the girls are smarter and they listen, hence they deserve what they get." So I think he would argue that going from coaching a women's team to coaching a men's team is not a step up, it's a step down.

 

[Blackbeard]

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so apparently blackbeard, eeyore and the rest feel college coaches are no different than used car salesmen

You're blurring the lines.

Call It said "if you agreed to sell your car" which implies a private individual with one car to sell. While that individual is selling a used car it hardly puts him in the category that most people mentally envision when they hear the phrase "used car salesman". The issue was whether or not an agreement had been reached by the parties involved, not what their occupation was.

Nice stirring of the cauldron.

 

[rangersrule]

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I would say Mark Johnson for sure. After having an 11 year career in the NHL (and a couple more years playing in Europe) I believe he could absolutely coach on the men's side of college hockey. He was an assistant coach for the mens program at UW for years before becoming the women's coach. In fact it was a shock to many that he didn't get the men's job after Jeff Sauer retired.

I for one do. I also feel that women players get the coaches that can't make it in the Men's game. What current Women's coach could make it in the Men's Game?

 

[FiveHoleFrenzy]

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I for one do. I also feel that women players get the coaches that can't make it in the Men's game. What current Women's coach could make it in the Men's Game?

Mark Johnson and Brad Frost. Brad Frost has assistant coaching experience on the men's side as does one of his assistants, Joel Johnson.

 

[KTDC]

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Quote Originally Posted by Call It View Post
I for one do. I also feel that women players get the coaches that can't make it in the Men's game. What current Women's coach could make it in the Men's Game?

I would say Mark Johnson for sure. After having an 11 year career in the NHL (and a couple more years playing in Europe) I believe he could absolutely coach on the men's side of college hockey. He was an assistant coach for the mens program at UW for years before becoming the women's coach. In fact it was a shock to many that he didn't get the men's job after Jeff Sauer retired.

Absolutely Mark Johnson. He was offered as assistant job with the Colorado Avalanche 6 months after taking the UW Women's job and apparently had close relatives living in Colorado at the time. He turned it down, referencing that he had been talking to his players about commitment and honor.

Coaching the women can leave a bit more time to spend with your family than coaching the men. Some talk about the women being more 'coachable' then the men as well. I think the women spend more time smiling when they are on the bench. A good environment to spend your time in.

 

[rangersrule]

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I completely agree with your statement. I would also add that for a female hockey player the goal to play at a high level or a top 10 D-1 program is really the highest level they can reach (with the exception of playing for a U-18, 4 Nations, World Championship, or Olympic team which by all accounts are really all-star teams). These players don't use college hockey as a stepping stone to get to the next level as there are no professional leagues for them to get to early and by-pass a year or two of college. They stay all 4 years. A great coach and recruiter can really build a powerhouse like Mark Johnson and Brad Frost have done over last 5-10 years...(just 2 examples, not trying to p*** off TonyTheTiger!! and the BC faithful!!)

Quote Originally Posted by Call It View Post
I for one do. I also feel that women players get the coaches that can't make it in the Men's game. What current Women's coach could make it in the Men's Game?


Absolutely Mark Johnson. He was offered as assistant job with the Colorado Avalanche 6 months after taking the UW Women's job and apparently had close relatives living in Colorado at the time. He turned it down, referencing that he had been talking to his players about commitment and honor.

Coaching the women can leave a bit more time to spend with your family than coaching the men. Some talk about the women being more 'coachable' then the men as well. I think the women spend more time smiling when they are on the bench. A good environment to spend your time in.

 

[wwhyte]

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I for one do. I also feel that women players get the coaches that can't make it in the Men's game. What current Women's coach could make it in the Men's Game?

Durocher was an assistant men's coach at BU before moving to the head coach position there.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

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Durocher was an assistant men's coach at BU before moving to the head coach position there.

I think Scanlan (BSU) used to be on the mens side at NDSU.

 

[ARM]

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I think Scanlan (BSU) used to be on the mens side at NDSU.

Quite a few of them have been on men's staffs, such as Rud at SCSU, Means at MSU, and Sisti at Mercyhurst.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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(just 2 examples, not trying to p*** off TonyTheTiger!! and the BC faithful!!)

 

[Trillium]

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Mark Johnson and Brad Frost. Brad Frost has assistant coaching experience on the men's side as does one of his assistants, Joel Johnson.

I suspect that's a big part of the reason their teams are perennial Frozen Four contenders (not to mention the recruiting advantage it gives them)

 

[Call It]

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OK so maybe one in Johnson. Brad Frost, Durocher no way! And the others... NO. When these guys were asst coaches with men's team they knew they would never get a head job thus they land in the Women's game. There are many great coaches in the women's game, one of the best coaches I know is Dan Koch. He could coach the men's game & is great in the women's.

 

[ne7minder]

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Mark Johnson and Brad Frost. Brad Frost has assistant coaching experience on the men's side as does one of his assistants, Joel Johnson.

Where was Frost a men's assistant? I thought Halderson picked out of a high school where he was a volleyball coach (I believe) to be her assistant.

 

[brookyone]

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Where was Frost a men's assistant? I thought Halderson picked out of a high school where he was a volleyball coach (I believe) to be her assistant.

Bethel I believe.

 

[CrazyDave]

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Bethel I believe.

Correct. His resume on GopherSports indicates he was there during the 1999-2000 season.

Joel Johnson "spent six years with the Bethel men's hockey team, including three seasons as the head coach."