Ya right pal, because obviously there are no female former D1 players from MN that want to become college coaches. Not! Shame on her for this selection!
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2015-2016 Coaching Changes
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Ya right pal, because obviously there are no female former D1 players from MN that want to become college coaches. Not! Shame on her for this selection!
pokechecker
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maybe after seeing what the brain trust here thought of what's her name selection at UMD for assistant coaches, she figured if former players and coaches from an illustrious institution like Harvard aren't smart enough to be coaches, tapping someone with practical experience/OJT was the way to go.
the first part was funny enough, but the second ... if she did that then this board would REALLY light up with people having issues with her selection
basically there are two types of people here:
those that have their head buried in their rear and know it
those that have their head buried in their rear and don't realize it
you can tell the latter by they get mad and hold a grudge because they can't tell the difference between someone calling what they said stupid, and being called stupid
come to think of it, that makes them stupid, doesn't it?
maybe after seeing what the brain trust here thought of what's her name selection at UMD for assistant coaches, she figured if former players and coaches from an illustrious institution like Harvard aren't smart enough to be coaches, tapping someone with practical experience/OJT was the way to go.
the first part was funny enough, but the second ... if she did that then this board would REALLY light up with people having issues with her selection
exactly
basically there are two types of people here:
those that have their head buried in their rear and know it
those that have their head buried in their rear and don't realize it
you can tell the latter by they get mad and hold a grudge because they can't tell the difference between someone calling what they said stupid, and being called stupid
come to think of it, that makes them stupid, doesn't it?
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That has to be the leading candidate for Preposterous Statement of the Year.
This guy was an assistant of the Potters at Maple Grove and as far back as Coon Rapids in 2011 I believe. Ask around about the Potter name in Minnesota. I'd be amused to learn what you hear. He's a Potter guy, pure and simple and worked here: http://www.potterspurehockey.com/page/show/740453-home (a quite lame competitor to Winny's OS Hockey).
There are only about 3,742 other people more sensible to choose if you're going after Minnesota HS recruits.
Since I'm no fan of OSU (and actually sorta dislike them) I think this hire, as well as hiring Jenny to head up the program, is absolutely fantastic.
That has to be the leading candidate for Preposterous Statement of the Year.
This guy was an assistant of the Potters at Maple Grove and as far back as Coon Rapids in 2011 I believe. Ask around about the Potter name in Minnesota. I'd be amused to learn what you hear. He's a Potter guy, pure and simple and worked here: http://www.potterspurehockey.com/page/show/740453-home (a quite lame competitor to Winny's OS Hockey).
There are only about 3,742 other people more sensible to choose if you're going after Minnesota HS recruits.
Since I'm no fan of OSU (and actually sorta dislike them) I think this hire, as well as hiring Jenny to head up the program, is absolutely fantastic.
So it turns out I was right after all. I wonder if they even bothered calling any other candidates that applied. I seriously doubt it. I guess what some others on here have said about OSU is true that they really don't care about their hockey programs.
giwan
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Re: 2015-2016 Coaching Changes
Maybe she DID consult with the USCHO forum and for that reason made sure to pick opposite of all forum thoughts
Yup...I for one am aghast by Jenny Potter's foolish, foolish decision to not seek the counsel of USCHO forum members regarding potential new assistant coaches. What was she thinking?!
Maybe she DID consult with the USCHO forum and for that reason made sure to pick opposite of all forum thoughts
charlieconway
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Why is this so hard for some/most of you? Head coaches in major sports generally have prospective assistant(s) in mind before even applying for a job. Rarely do you see a new head coach retain an incumbent assistant or dig into the pool to hire someone with which they have no prior working relationship.
Coaching jobs aren't like the 9-to-5s most everyone else chases. Almost every time it's 95 percent who you know and five percent what you know.
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I don't know that this hire proves that at all. As we are reminded often, Jenny Potter is a 4-time Olympian, which is surely impressive to many potential recruits. I'm sure OSU looks at it that way, so they probably hired her for the right reasons. Parents of the HS kids getting recruited might believe that when a person is an excellent player that they will also be an excellent coach. Or the kid might think that playing for her could give them an extra leg up on making the US National team. (I was just saying that I don't think this will work in Minnesota) The program might have done the right thing and be in great shape recruiting-wise everywhere else.
So they gave her some leeway in bringing in a friend of hers (or her husband's) who is an exercise guy, and not necessarily a hockey guy. Strangely enough, there seem to be a lot of coaches in the women's game who never played hockey. That wouldn't stand in Men's hockey, of course, but Women's hockey is still a "niche" sport to many athletic programs, and maybe there just aren't enough hockey people who are interested in coaching to fill all the spots. And there are some non-hockey guys who are successful too--I'm thinking of Coach Veenker at BSU--I'm 99% sure he never played hockey but is a really good guy, a good coach, and appears to do a good job recruiting.
This kind of comment can be made every time an opinion is posted on the forum. Which is what all of it is.
I don't know that this hire proves that at all. As we are reminded often, Jenny Potter is a 4-time Olympian, which is surely impressive to many potential recruits. I'm sure OSU looks at it that way, so they probably hired her for the right reasons. Parents of the HS kids getting recruited might believe that when a person is an excellent player that they will also be an excellent coach. Or the kid might think that playing for her could give them an extra leg up on making the US National team. (I was just saying that I don't think this will work in Minnesota) The program might have done the right thing and be in great shape recruiting-wise everywhere else.
So they gave her some leeway in bringing in a friend of hers (or her husband's) who is an exercise guy, and not necessarily a hockey guy. Strangely enough, there seem to be a lot of coaches in the women's game who never played hockey. That wouldn't stand in Men's hockey, of course, but Women's hockey is still a "niche" sport to many athletic programs, and maybe there just aren't enough hockey people who are interested in coaching to fill all the spots. And there are some non-hockey guys who are successful too--I'm thinking of Coach Veenker at BSU--I'm 99% sure he never played hockey but is a really good guy, a good coach, and appears to do a good job recruiting.
Yup...I for one am aghast by Jenny Potter's foolish, foolish decision to not seek the counsel of USCHO forum members regarding potential new assistant coaches. What was she thinking?!
This kind of comment can be made every time an opinion is posted on the forum. Which is what all of it is.
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That would show a level of understanding and smarts I would not expect from most WCHA coaches. Most ignore us (wisely) without thinking about it.
That would show a level of understanding and smarts I would not expect from most WCHA coaches. Most ignore us (wisely) without thinking about it.
I guess my point was, I'm just surprised when these hires make any sense at all, like said candidate realizes ice is cold. At least you can sort of wrap your head around this one as compared to most other hires in women's hockey.
pokechecker
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Re: 2015-2016 Coaching Changes
so this is what it has come to with Utopians:
a man marry a man or womyn marry womyn=good
but a woman hiring a man to help coach a woman's hockey team=bad
LOL, keep posting, your thoughts are hilarious
so this is what it has come to with Utopians:
a man marry a man or womyn marry womyn=good
but a woman hiring a man to help coach a woman's hockey team=bad
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Lol hilarious! Harrington's inexperience in women's hockey shows up right away with this very bad decision. I realize they worked together in the past but that was in men's hockey. I guess Harrington didn't figure out Giesen's reputation in the women's game is so bad and that he basically caused the collapse of the women's program at SCSU. He can't recruit his way out of a wet paper bag. Maybe Mankato is thinking about starting a gymnastics team. That would make more sense since that's Giesen's background. This team has a lock on last place for the future.
charlieconway
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It's too bad the addition of every assistant coach gets questioned like clockwork. Less credibility there if the pitchforks come out after a crummy hire like this one.
I bet there are some that wondered if Harrington would hire his old buddy Giesen but never thought he'd be dumb enough to actually do it. I feel bad for Coach Vogt that a clown gets the title of associate head coach ahead of her even though she's been there for 6 years as an assistant coach and was an All-American goalie for them as a player. It's an insult to her really. I guess she didn't stick the dismount when she met with Harrington.
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I'll reserve judgment until we see more of his style as an assistant vs. head coach, but.... I was really hoping Harrington would hire a young, dynamic female assistant coach as a counterweight to his qualifications, preferably one with WCHA experience, or familiarity with Minnesota players. Oh well, at least they don't have to recruit with All Season's Arena as bait any more.
http://www.mankatofreepress.com/new...cle_3b33657a-2424-11e5-a06b-3ba802a76802.html
I'll reserve judgment until we see more of his style as an assistant vs. head coach, but.... I was really hoping Harrington would hire a young, dynamic female assistant coach as a counterweight to his qualifications, preferably one with WCHA experience, or familiarity with Minnesota players. Oh well, at least they don't have to recruit with All Season's Arena as bait any more.
http://www.mankatofreepress.com/new...cle_3b33657a-2424-11e5-a06b-3ba802a76802.html
HockeyEast33
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In theory, shouldn't Giesen know Minnesota players - he was the coach at SCSU which is in MN and largely stocked with MN players? Whether he can successfully recruit the good ones is a different question, but he should definitely know them and get some of them.....
In theory, shouldn't Giesen know Minnesota players - he was the coach at SCSU which is in MN and largely stocked with MN players? Whether he can successfully recruit the good ones is a different question, but he should definitely know them and get some of them.....
charlieconway
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Yeah he probably knows a thing or seven about Minnesota players. The thing is, he's going to have trouble landing Minnesota players who know anything about him/his tenure at SCSU.
As one who usually is all about reserving judgment, there's really no need in this case.
Exactly! He already has a failed track record in recruiting MN players and recruiting in general. Mankato is a lot like SCSU - they aren't going to get the top MN high school players because those players are going to the U, Wisconsin, NoDak, and I have a feeling Duluth will now also get more of the better MN high school talent than those two low end WCHA schools. After that the eastern colleges also get their share of MN high school players. Mankato and SCSU have to be smarter and shop elsewhere for recruits than to scrape the bottom of the barrel of high school seniors every year. Fat boy never figured that out though.
pokechecker
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Re: 2015-2016 Coaching Changes
this thread continues to prove why they are coaching, and you are not
the truth is, after MN takes the pick of the litter, and UND (seemingly having second dibs) & WI (only a few) grab the other quality recruits, there is precious little left in the way of premium recruits, (with a few exceptions like this years UMD class, last years Bemidji & MSU-M) most of the players who go east do so seemingly because they figure they may as well get the maximum bang for the buck having been passed over by the school they really wanted to go to, but some end up coming back home.
Every school would do well to shop the best players from EVERYWHERE (Local, US, Canada, Europe) for example what's her name in Duluth says she will recruit MN, I'm assuming she will continue to grab the best that will come from Canada & Europe and maybe use her experience out East to grab a few US players as well, if she wants to compete at the year end tourney. This is how UMD, SCSU & MSU-M men's program have done well, not to forget perennial power UND
this thread continues to prove why they are coaching, and you are not
the truth is, after MN takes the pick of the litter, and UND (seemingly having second dibs) & WI (only a few) grab the other quality recruits, there is precious little left in the way of premium recruits, (with a few exceptions like this years UMD class, last years Bemidji & MSU-M) most of the players who go east do so seemingly because they figure they may as well get the maximum bang for the buck having been passed over by the school they really wanted to go to, but some end up coming back home.
Every school would do well to shop the best players from EVERYWHERE (Local, US, Canada, Europe) for example what's her name in Duluth says she will recruit MN, I'm assuming she will continue to grab the best that will come from Canada & Europe and maybe use her experience out East to grab a few US players as well, if she wants to compete at the year end tourney. This is how UMD, SCSU & MSU-M men's program have done well, not to forget perennial power UND
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