Waiting to see US's speed. Canada looks like the quicker team and has a 2-1 lead with 13 minutes remaining
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2014 Sochi Olympic Games Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
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Waiting to see US's speed. Canada looks like the quicker team and has a 2-1 lead with 13 minutes remaining
Re: 2014 Sochi Olympic Games Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
Well despite some horrendous officiating including the second goal, Jessie Vetter has to be talking to herself after this game. She should have controlled the puck and not let it slip behind her for the second goal. That's on her. And Gigi Marvin also has to feel sick about her move inside the Canadians blue line that let Agosta break away for the third goal. Can't let that happen.
What's more troubling was the lack of offense from the US in the third period. No shots until late in the period? How does that happen? But give the Canadians credit for adjusting on D and taking away the middle of the ice. They also benefitted from the lack of calls that allowed them to play physical. It seemed to wear down Team USA.
Hopefully these teams meet again.
Well despite some horrendous officiating including the second goal, Jessie Vetter has to be talking to herself after this game. She should have controlled the puck and not let it slip behind her for the second goal. That's on her. And Gigi Marvin also has to feel sick about her move inside the Canadians blue line that let Agosta break away for the third goal. Can't let that happen.
What's more troubling was the lack of offense from the US in the third period. No shots until late in the period? How does that happen? But give the Canadians credit for adjusting on D and taking away the middle of the ice. They also benefitted from the lack of calls that allowed them to play physical. It seemed to wear down Team USA.
Hopefully these teams meet again.
Re: 2014 Sochi Olympic Games Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
IOC finally states the obvious, hopefully puts an end to four years of media overreaction and misguided comparisons from everything from softball to snow leopards.
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It's funny how we all see things only from our favourite team's perspective. It would have been a horrible call if the second goal was NOT allowed. Vetter never had control of the puck and the ref would have blown it if she quick whistled the play dead.
I though Canada was full marks today, especially after how dominant the Americans have been in the last few games. Kessel was invisible today which was very surprising.
Should be a great final and I wouldn't be surprised if the outcome is different.
It's funny how we all see things only from our favourite team's perspective. It would have been a horrible call if the second goal was NOT allowed. Vetter never had control of the puck and the ref would have blown it if she quick whistled the play dead.
I though Canada was full marks today, especially after how dominant the Americans have been in the last few games. Kessel was invisible today which was very surprising.
Should be a great final and I wouldn't be surprised if the outcome is different.
robertearle
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Re: 2014 Sochi Olympic Games Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
I wasn't all that thrilled with the tripping call that led to the power-play that led to the (not a) goal.
(But in this week of Wisconsin vs Minnesota, I love that the first US goal was "Knight, from Schlepper"
I wasn't all that thrilled with the tripping call that led to the power-play that led to the (not a) goal.
(But in this week of Wisconsin vs Minnesota, I love that the first US goal was "Knight, from Schlepper"
Re: 2014 Sochi Olympic Games Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
Skate79 said the key word .. "adjusting".
TC playing better in defensive zone by having better gap upon US's zone entry; being more aggressive with the US's forwards along the wall; and stepping up into the rush up the middle on their own breakouts. Their neutral zone coverage is better by stepping up in the US's forwards faces thus knocking them off the puck or breaking up the play. TC's forwards also doing better support to their D in the def zone.
So props to TC coaching staff in making the necessary adjustments to squelch the potent US forecheck, quickness/speed and skill.
Now, lets see if Coach Stone can make the necessary counter-adjustments for what hopefully is a Can/US gold medal game.
Let the chess match begin .........
Skate79 said the key word .. "adjusting".
TC playing better in defensive zone by having better gap upon US's zone entry; being more aggressive with the US's forwards along the wall; and stepping up into the rush up the middle on their own breakouts. Their neutral zone coverage is better by stepping up in the US's forwards faces thus knocking them off the puck or breaking up the play. TC's forwards also doing better support to their D in the def zone.
So props to TC coaching staff in making the necessary adjustments to squelch the potent US forecheck, quickness/speed and skill.
Now, lets see if Coach Stone can make the necessary counter-adjustments for what hopefully is a Can/US gold medal game.
Let the chess match begin .........
Re: 2014 Sochi Olympic Games Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
Well, the rule is, I believe, (i) the refs should blow the whistle when they lose sight of the puck, and (ii) it is a goal only if the puck went in prior to the whistle being blown. Even if you argue the whistle was blown to soon, it is obvious from the review the puck did not go in before the whistle. Calling it a goal was a bad call.
Regardless, that 3rd goal was all USA's mistake, and the fact that USA had hardly any shots in the 3rd is worrisome.
Question: Should that last penalty have been a delayed penalty since USA was on a rush with full possession. I thought it was an offsides call at first.
Well, the rule is, I believe, (i) the refs should blow the whistle when they lose sight of the puck, and (ii) it is a goal only if the puck went in prior to the whistle being blown. Even if you argue the whistle was blown to soon, it is obvious from the review the puck did not go in before the whistle. Calling it a goal was a bad call.
Regardless, that 3rd goal was all USA's mistake, and the fact that USA had hardly any shots in the 3rd is worrisome.
Question: Should that last penalty have been a delayed penalty since USA was on a rush with full possession. I thought it was an offsides call at first.
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Did the ref blow the whistle? If she did, she certainly didn't defend herself by signalling the play being dead. She was guilty of being out of position, that much is sure.
The 2 Canadian players looked like they got tangled up with each other on the change so I would say that it was not intentional and not a delay of game penalty. That would have been interesting as if the ref saw it as being intentional, she would have had to have called a Penalty Shot.
Did the ref blow the whistle? If she did, she certainly didn't defend herself by signalling the play being dead. She was guilty of being out of position, that much is sure.
The 2 Canadian players looked like they got tangled up with each other on the change so I would say that it was not intentional and not a delay of game penalty. That would have been interesting as if the ref saw it as being intentional, she would have had to have called a Penalty Shot.
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I couldn't hear the audio very well on the Canadian feed. The ref did not react as if she had blown the play dead as she was out of position. If she had blown the whistle and defended her call I would have no problem with it. It appeared as if she ws lost so from that perspective I agree it was horrible officiating. My Canadian bias makes me think that the penalty calling was not out of line. Lots of physical play was let go on both sides. JLam was hitting everyone in sight and wasn't penalized.
I couldn't hear the audio very well on the Canadian feed. The ref did not react as if she had blown the play dead as she was out of position. If she had blown the whistle and defended her call I would have no problem with it. It appeared as if she ws lost so from that perspective I agree it was horrible officiating. My Canadian bias makes me think that the penalty calling was not out of line. Lots of physical play was let go on both sides. JLam was hitting everyone in sight and wasn't penalized.
Re: 2014 Sochi Olympic Games Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
Because anyone with eyes can see, and agrees with you.
Because anyone with eyes can see, and agrees with you.
Re: 2014 Sochi Olympic Games Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
Yes, should have been delayed. Then to let the US mill around at the bench as they did was terrible. (I'm a US fan)
Actually go look at goal 3 again. The Ref set an awesome pick in the Canada zone to get the whole thing started. Would be nice if she knew where to stand.
With the importance of these games I will never understand the bypassing of so many qualified refs in the world, just to make sure the person with the armband has a ponytail and is not from the US or Canada.
I'll take my chances with possible bias with a CAN or US woman wearing the orange or having a male ref for the CAN-US matchup, rather than watch this buffoonery.
Yes, should have been delayed. Then to let the US mill around at the bench as they did was terrible. (I'm a US fan)
Actually go look at goal 3 again. The Ref set an awesome pick in the Canada zone to get the whole thing started. Would be nice if she knew where to stand.
With the importance of these games I will never understand the bypassing of so many qualified refs in the world, just to make sure the person with the armband has a ponytail and is not from the US or Canada.
I'll take my chances with possible bias with a CAN or US woman wearing the orange or having a male ref for the CAN-US matchup, rather than watch this buffoonery.
Blackbeard
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Re: 2014 Sochi Olympic Games Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
I believe it was Carpenter.
Feel badly for her...similar to the two German players who had the puck bounce off them and into their own net.
I believe it was Carpenter.
Feel badly for her...similar to the two German players who had the puck bounce off them and into their own net.
brookyone
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David De Remer
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Re: 2014 Sochi Olympic Games Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
Regardless of who you support, the officials clearly had an impact on the game outcome.
As mentioned, the official got mixed up in the play on the third Canadian goal.
The second goal was either a quick whistle or a blown call. And the quick whistle that becomes a goal can also be problematic if the U.S. had some chance to stop the puck (most likely not), but it's not as simple as the blown call negates the quick whistle as some say. Either way, I hate to see the U.S. allow such a soft goal. I think it was Carpenter who tried to stuff the puck under Vetter after Vetter missed covering the loose puck, but it trickled through her. Never seen that before, certainly never to Vetter.
Regardless of who you support, the officials clearly had an impact on the game outcome.
As mentioned, the official got mixed up in the play on the third Canadian goal.
The second goal was either a quick whistle or a blown call. And the quick whistle that becomes a goal can also be problematic if the U.S. had some chance to stop the puck (most likely not), but it's not as simple as the blown call negates the quick whistle as some say. Either way, I hate to see the U.S. allow such a soft goal. I think it was Carpenter who tried to stuff the puck under Vetter after Vetter missed covering the loose puck, but it trickled through her. Never seen that before, certainly never to Vetter.
Blackbeard
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Re: 2014 Sochi Olympic Games Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
Injured and a few days ago Campbell was saying that they are trying to speed up the recovery process so that she can play. I think she said that they were hopeful for today but that doesn't seem to have worked out.
Injured and a few days ago Campbell was saying that they are trying to speed up the recovery process so that she can play. I think she said that they were hopeful for today but that doesn't seem to have worked out.
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I think it was a good goal. Vetter never had control of the puck, and on the replay I thought that I heard the whistle just as the puck was crossing the line. I would think that the replay that the refs looked at satisfied them that the puck was across the line when the whistle sounded.
I think it was a good goal. Vetter never had control of the puck, and on the replay I thought that I heard the whistle just as the puck was crossing the line. I would think that the replay that the refs looked at satisfied them that the puck was across the line when the whistle sounded.