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Re: 2014 Sochi Olympic Games Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
I think it has a little more exposure internationally than Hockey.
I think it has a little more exposure internationally than Hockey.
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2014 Sochi Olympic Games Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
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pokechecker
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Re: 2014 Sochi Olympic Games Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
So we should send coaches and athletes to other countries to train them to be fodder for our hockey teams? C’mon, Olympic hockey is a joke, it has to be the easiest way to becoming an Olympic athlete and in the end a medal in women’s hockey is nothing more than a participation trophy.
So we should send coaches and athletes to other countries to train them to be fodder for our hockey teams? C’mon, Olympic hockey is a joke, it has to be the easiest way to becoming an Olympic athlete and in the end a medal in women’s hockey is nothing more than a participation trophy.
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Sorry if this is off-topic, but wanted to reach a good cross-section of folks.
Has anyone seen a list of the top attendance for women's hockey events, worldwide? I started looking to find a reference for where Wisconsin's Fill the Bowl falls, but now it's more of an OCD thing that such a list doesn't seem to exist? Best I could do was cull some various info and assume that IIHF's in Canada in 07 and 13 would have the highest non-Olympic #s. Basically I have all the Olympics and those two IIHFs and one pre-Nagano game between USA and Canada. Anyone think of anything else that could be on that list?
Sorry if this is off-topic, but wanted to reach a good cross-section of folks.
Has anyone seen a list of the top attendance for women's hockey events, worldwide? I started looking to find a reference for where Wisconsin's Fill the Bowl falls, but now it's more of an OCD thing that such a list doesn't seem to exist? Best I could do was cull some various info and assume that IIHF's in Canada in 07 and 13 would have the highest non-Olympic #s. Basically I have all the Olympics and those two IIHFs and one pre-Nagano game between USA and Canada. Anyone think of anything else that could be on that list?
Re: 2014 Sochi Olympic Games Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
We do this to some extent. This was part of the plan that came up after the threat in 2010. We do camps and "Goodwill" tours with former stars like Granato and Ruggiero to draw interest, etc...
We do this to some extent. This was part of the plan that came up after the threat in 2010. We do camps and "Goodwill" tours with former stars like Granato and Ruggiero to draw interest, etc...
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I know of a recent graduate of UMD who has played a year in Prague and a year in Switzerland on some sort of "pro" teams over there the last couple years.
I know of a recent graduate of UMD who has played a year in Prague and a year in Switzerland on some sort of "pro" teams over there the last couple years.
pokechecker
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Re: 2014 Sochi Olympic Games Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
If you Nancy boys could look at the facts, the captain of Team Canada has won 3 gold medals & 3 NCAA championships. Look at the competition she faced to win each and it is obvious the road to an NCAA championship is much more difficult and consequently the NCAA championships have higher value.
But that's somewhat true of all the winter Olympic sports, very few people in the world compete in most of the sports, it's not like winning the 100 meter dash or the Marathon. It's more like golf, if your background isn't high SES, you probably aren't even interested in the sport. And of course now, they are trying to swallow the X games, basically activity for stoners/slackers who are avoiding getting a job in the real world.
If you Nancy boys could look at the facts, the captain of Team Canada has won 3 gold medals & 3 NCAA championships. Look at the competition she faced to win each and it is obvious the road to an NCAA championship is much more difficult and consequently the NCAA championships have higher value.
But that's somewhat true of all the winter Olympic sports, very few people in the world compete in most of the sports, it's not like winning the 100 meter dash or the Marathon. It's more like golf, if your background isn't high SES, you probably aren't even interested in the sport. And of course now, they are trying to swallow the X games, basically activity for stoners/slackers who are avoiding getting a job in the real world.
OnMAA
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Re: 2014 Sochi Olympic Games Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
My point was that that is not enough. Make it a year around program with the "teachers" being there for the full season.
Fully aware college grads go over there to play for a few years. There is a limit in number of imports on many of these teams. As per the above, my point was to extend this idea to bring over more players and incorporate them into the training and development regime of the national programs. For example bring some players with German roots, born raised and trained here over there and help with the German program. Do the same with the other nations.
The reason the Canadians and Americans are so good cause they train year around against good competition. This elevates their game to the next level on a continual basis.
My point was that that is not enough. Make it a year around program with the "teachers" being there for the full season.
Fully aware college grads go over there to play for a few years. There is a limit in number of imports on many of these teams. As per the above, my point was to extend this idea to bring over more players and incorporate them into the training and development regime of the national programs. For example bring some players with German roots, born raised and trained here over there and help with the German program. Do the same with the other nations.
The reason the Canadians and Americans are so good cause they train year around against good competition. This elevates their game to the next level on a continual basis.
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Been there, tried that. Even with very clear links to a country that had a hockey program, there was no interest/response to even a volunteer offer.
It is rather sad because I think these girls could offer a lot but unless there is some kind of formal international push, then I think most countries will opt out
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And a pro league where people actually pay to watch the women play.
And a pro league where people actually pay to watch the women play.
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While the US team was training here in Boston, Scott Fusco and Lane McDonald, former All Americans from Harvard, got together with a bunch of former D-1 players including Brian Leetch to compete against the girls. That kind of exposure and competition has to make them a better squad and I doubt other countries have the same interest level or thought process to ensure their girls are prepared for these Games. And it really shows.
While the US team was training here in Boston, Scott Fusco and Lane McDonald, former All Americans from Harvard, got together with a bunch of former D-1 players including Brian Leetch to compete against the girls. That kind of exposure and competition has to make them a better squad and I doubt other countries have the same interest level or thought process to ensure their girls are prepared for these Games. And it really shows.
brookyone
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http://www.grandforksherald.com/content/sochi-games-lamoureuxs-marvin-play-gold-again
http://www.grandforksherald.com/content/sochi-games-lamoureuxs-marvin-play-gold-again
FiveHoleFrenzy
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Re: 2014 Sochi Olympic Games Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
And it's set...Sweden and Switzerland for the bronze medal...Canada and USA for the gold medal
And it's set...Sweden and Switzerland for the bronze medal...Canada and USA for the gold medal
Blackbeard
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Did you watch the Fin-Can and Fin-US games?...meaning the play of Team Finland? If the Finns hadn't choked their quarterfinal game vs Sweden and had played at the same level as they showed vs Canada the US wouldn't have had such an easy time of it today. Remember back a number of days ago, the goal for winning the Can -US game was not having to face the Finns again...which most people thought the loser of that game would have to do.
If the Finns had kept up their initial level of play today's semi final vs the US would probably have been a great game.
If so, would your opinion be different? After all, the difference would have been just the result of one game.
Did you watch the Fin-Can and Fin-US games?...meaning the play of Team Finland? If the Finns hadn't choked their quarterfinal game vs Sweden and had played at the same level as they showed vs Canada the US wouldn't have had such an easy time of it today. Remember back a number of days ago, the goal for winning the Can -US game was not having to face the Finns again...which most people thought the loser of that game would have to do.
If the Finns had kept up their initial level of play today's semi final vs the US would probably have been a great game.
If so, would your opinion be different? After all, the difference would have been just the result of one game.
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Gold medal game at noon EST. Will have to record the game unfortunately as life and business is getting in the way. Or perhaps they will show it again in the evening.
Gold medal game at noon EST. Will have to record the game unfortunately as life and business is getting in the way. Or perhaps they will show it again in the evening.
OnMAA
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Re: 2014 Sochi Olympic Games Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
This is nothing new. The Finns have given the Americans and the Canucks fits on more than one occasion over the years. Clog up the middle, rely on stellar goal tending and look for a few breaks. The long and the short of it is that teams like Switzerland, Finland and Sweden keep it close on occasion based more than anything on stellar tending (Martin, Raty, Schelling). This is no different than the "Great Wall of China" leading the Chinese to the medal rounds in the 90's. The reality is that teams like Sweden, Finland, Russia etc, have a few great players, but no depth to challenge the two big teams. Play Canada or USA ten times and they may win one game.
Don't get me wrong, for the good of the game, would like teams like Sweden, Finland, Russia etc to be able to challenge more on a consistent basis. While the depth of number of teams behind the top two is greater today than four years ago, the gap to the top two has not really closed all that much. JMO.
This is nothing new. The Finns have given the Americans and the Canucks fits on more than one occasion over the years. Clog up the middle, rely on stellar goal tending and look for a few breaks. The long and the short of it is that teams like Switzerland, Finland and Sweden keep it close on occasion based more than anything on stellar tending (Martin, Raty, Schelling). This is no different than the "Great Wall of China" leading the Chinese to the medal rounds in the 90's. The reality is that teams like Sweden, Finland, Russia etc, have a few great players, but no depth to challenge the two big teams. Play Canada or USA ten times and they may win one game.
Don't get me wrong, for the good of the game, would like teams like Sweden, Finland, Russia etc to be able to challenge more on a consistent basis. While the depth of number of teams behind the top two is greater today than four years ago, the gap to the top two has not really closed all that much. JMO.
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Yes, I did. They weren't as close as the scores.
Yes, I did. They weren't as close as the scores.
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This is neither necessary nor sufficient for European improvement. In fact, a willingness to do this would imply that the Europeans had overcome the biggest thing holding them back: a lack of investment. If they were willing to pay for a program like this then they would be willing to pay for the sorts of youth programs and team infrastructure that could overcome the gap without such a program.
And that's the thing: the persistence of the gap between the North Americans and the Europeans is almost entirely a product of the different levels of investment the countries involved. Until the Europeans decide that they really want to close the gap, nothing anyone else does is going to make a difference. Throwing out ideas for what could be done is petty much irrelevant until they make that commitment.
Beyond that, I don't think that efforts at the adult level are really where the focus should be. The Europeans don't need tactical advice, or nutrition, or anything else with running an Olympic team per se. They need to have more young girls playing the game and getting youth level coaching. Until they start producing more potential Olympic players, nothing they do with the ones they have is a difference maker.
This is neither necessary nor sufficient for European improvement. In fact, a willingness to do this would imply that the Europeans had overcome the biggest thing holding them back: a lack of investment. If they were willing to pay for a program like this then they would be willing to pay for the sorts of youth programs and team infrastructure that could overcome the gap without such a program.
And that's the thing: the persistence of the gap between the North Americans and the Europeans is almost entirely a product of the different levels of investment the countries involved. Until the Europeans decide that they really want to close the gap, nothing anyone else does is going to make a difference. Throwing out ideas for what could be done is petty much irrelevant until they make that commitment.
Beyond that, I don't think that efforts at the adult level are really where the focus should be. The Europeans don't need tactical advice, or nutrition, or anything else with running an Olympic team per se. They need to have more young girls playing the game and getting youth level coaching. Until they start producing more potential Olympic players, nothing they do with the ones they have is a difference maker.
OnMAA
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We actually agree. Bringing in top players from NA to teach and play against the players in country is part of the INVESTMENT that should be funded by those governing bodies. That was part of the point I made in an earlier post on the subject. Its a Win-Win-Win opportunity. Giving more NA college grads a place to play at a high level while getting compensated and hone coaching skills and helps to local nations to get better by having more top talent to help teach the grass roots and for the grass roots to look up to. It could also increase the pipeline of future players from Europe getting into the NA college system.
We actually agree. Bringing in top players from NA to teach and play against the players in country is part of the INVESTMENT that should be funded by those governing bodies. That was part of the point I made in an earlier post on the subject. Its a Win-Win-Win opportunity. Giving more NA college grads a place to play at a high level while getting compensated and hone coaching skills and helps to local nations to get better by having more top talent to help teach the grass roots and for the grass roots to look up to. It could also increase the pipeline of future players from Europe getting into the NA college system.