FiveHoleFrenzy
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Re: 2014 Four Nations Cup
1-0 in the shootout for Canada to win the gold...
1-0 in the shootout for Canada to win the gold...
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2014 Four Nations Cup
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monsoonweather
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Re: 2014 Four Nations Cup
I do not like shootouts either. But US should have taken better advantage of the Canada turnovers in this game. Shots 35-28 in favor of US. Lacasse had a much better showing tonight and played extremely well. Canada killed off a huge 4-3 penalty in OT and Carpenter had her share of chances, much better showing from her this game than the first one.
It was noted Kevin Dineen was adamant and vocal about having Birchard on his Olympic roster but management wouldn't let him. You know, after the whole Dan Church firing / Wickenheiser ordeal, if Melody Davidson wants to pick the roster she should relieve herself of her GM duties and be head coach. She is going to shoot herself in the foot eventually and I will not be sad about it.
Great game.
I do not like shootouts either. But US should have taken better advantage of the Canada turnovers in this game. Shots 35-28 in favor of US. Lacasse had a much better showing tonight and played extremely well. Canada killed off a huge 4-3 penalty in OT and Carpenter had her share of chances, much better showing from her this game than the first one.
It was noted Kevin Dineen was adamant and vocal about having Birchard on his Olympic roster but management wouldn't let him. You know, after the whole Dan Church firing / Wickenheiser ordeal, if Melody Davidson wants to pick the roster she should relieve herself of her GM duties and be head coach. She is going to shoot herself in the foot eventually and I will not be sad about it.
Great game.
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Even though once again the two teams were pretty even, more often than not Canada seems to find a way to pull it out at the end. This one just took a little longer than usual.
That said, it was a very fun hockey game to watch, even though neither team was in top Olympic form and the overall quality of play (both ways) wasn't at its best. But that's completely understandable, since the teams didn't train and practice together for months on end and get their systems in place as they do in Olympic years.
Even though once again the two teams were pretty even, more often than not Canada seems to find a way to pull it out at the end. This one just took a little longer than usual.
That said, it was a very fun hockey game to watch, even though neither team was in top Olympic form and the overall quality of play (both ways) wasn't at its best. But that's completely understandable, since the teams didn't train and practice together for months on end and get their systems in place as they do in Olympic years.
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Btw, I must be sure to congradule former UNH Wildcat Courtney Birchard on Team Canada's winning performance at the tourney! With Kacey Bellamy on Team USA, and current Wildcat Vilma Vaatartaatu (sp), playing goal for Team Finland, UNH was well represented at the tournament...great to see these women getting the chance to be relevant in the game they love...
Btw, I must be sure to congradule former UNH Wildcat Courtney Birchard on Team Canada's winning performance at the tourney! With Kacey Bellamy on Team USA, and current Wildcat Vilma Vaatartaatu (sp), playing goal for Team Finland, UNH was well represented at the tournament...great to see these women getting the chance to be relevant in the game they love...
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TSN did a favor for American coaches during the first period. The showed a set of "lowlights" committed by #7. The sound on my feed was messed up & I was unable to listen but the images of a half dozen screw ups told a bad story. If she is the best D the USA can put on the ice then they will always finish second.
TSN did a favor for American coaches during the first period. The showed a set of "lowlights" committed by #7. The sound on my feed was messed up & I was unable to listen but the images of a half dozen screw ups told a bad story. If she is the best D the USA can put on the ice then they will always finish second.
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A horrible way to end a decent game between 2 competitive teams. Why not end tied ball games with a homerun derby, basketball with a game of horse, football with a field goal kick off? Because they just do not reflect the teams or the nature of the game. Shootouts stink.
It looked to me like the US owned the first period but Canada was able to recover. I thought the officiating was the bizarre mix of non-calls and wrong calls I have come to expect in womens hockey. TSN was kind enough to show several uncalled penalties on replay as they went to break. The only thing I don't like about these games between US and Canada is that the level of crap that goes on really is approaching the mens game levels and the refs are allowing it. That aside it was an enjoyable game.
A horrible way to end a decent game between 2 competitive teams. Why not end tied ball games with a homerun derby, basketball with a game of horse, football with a field goal kick off? Because they just do not reflect the teams or the nature of the game. Shootouts stink.
It looked to me like the US owned the first period but Canada was able to recover. I thought the officiating was the bizarre mix of non-calls and wrong calls I have come to expect in womens hockey. TSN was kind enough to show several uncalled penalties on replay as they went to break. The only thing I don't like about these games between US and Canada is that the level of crap that goes on really is approaching the mens game levels and the refs are allowing it. That aside it was an enjoyable game.
She had one good moment in the third. Her penalty was the reason that Jenner's goal was called back. That goal would have won the game for Canada in regulation if she hadn't taken the penalty. See, it's not all bad
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She has some talent there is no doubt, she just does not seem to have matured & keeps making poor choices, both with the puck & with her behaviour on ice. These teams are so evenly matched that the difference between gold and silver are small mistakes.
She had one good moment in the third. Her penalty was the reason that Jenner's goal was called back. That goal would have won the game for Canada in regulation if she hadn't taken the penalty. See, it's not all bad
She has some talent there is no doubt, she just does not seem to have matured & keeps making poor choices, both with the puck & with her behaviour on ice. These teams are so evenly matched that the difference between gold and silver are small mistakes.
ARM
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It's common in pro sports. I think it is more unseemly in a sport like women's hockey where the mainstream media largely ignores the athletes to then show up and throw someone under the bus. But yeah, that's the way the networks like to do it.
brookyone
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Isn't that still throwing someone under the bus? As I understand the common use of the phrase anyway.
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I don't know. Maybe it's common in the USA. But typically in Canada, hockey (and lots of other sports) has been covered mostly by the CBC and has tended to take political correctness to extremes (with Don Cherry being the one exception...and maybe that's been a big part of his popularity). I've always found Cassie Campbell's insipid, sanitized and overly fawning comments on women's hockey and Hockey Canada truly cringeworthy and often very uninformed. But then again, she's married to a Hockey Canada exec so go figure.
Times are suddenly changing in Canada, with hockey now being covered by TSN and Rogers rather than the traditional networks. Personally, I think Cheryl Pounder, Jen Botterill and especially Tessa Bonhomme on TSN to be a huge improvement (though every time they mentioned "youngsters" like the players were 12 I wanted to scream). They are not afraid to tell it like it is, nor to be controversial and critical of Hockey Canada decisions. It's a breath of fresh air. Everyone has known for years Mel Davidson is way over her head/past her best before date. It's about time former insiders actually acknowledged it. They have credibility because they actually know what they are talking about and are not afraid to say it. Good for them.
Let's be honest. The Lams are not exactly great friends of Team Canada historically. Is it really surprising then that the temptation exists to critique her? The clearly poor decision to leave Birchard off the Olympic team given her performances--despite Dineen's lobbying to have her-- is also newsworthy information they shared. And it's also about time someone finally did a detailed video review showing the atrocious quality of officiating. In today's world, until such bad decisions are exposed publicly by the media, there are not enough incentives to make changes.
As long as they are sticking to the facts, and supporting it with documented evidence, I think it's great. That's what journalism is supposed to be.
I don't know. Maybe it's common in the USA. But typically in Canada, hockey (and lots of other sports) has been covered mostly by the CBC and has tended to take political correctness to extremes (with Don Cherry being the one exception...and maybe that's been a big part of his popularity). I've always found Cassie Campbell's insipid, sanitized and overly fawning comments on women's hockey and Hockey Canada truly cringeworthy and often very uninformed. But then again, she's married to a Hockey Canada exec so go figure.
Times are suddenly changing in Canada, with hockey now being covered by TSN and Rogers rather than the traditional networks. Personally, I think Cheryl Pounder, Jen Botterill and especially Tessa Bonhomme on TSN to be a huge improvement (though every time they mentioned "youngsters" like the players were 12 I wanted to scream). They are not afraid to tell it like it is, nor to be controversial and critical of Hockey Canada decisions. It's a breath of fresh air. Everyone has known for years Mel Davidson is way over her head/past her best before date. It's about time former insiders actually acknowledged it. They have credibility because they actually know what they are talking about and are not afraid to say it. Good for them.
Let's be honest. The Lams are not exactly great friends of Team Canada historically. Is it really surprising then that the temptation exists to critique her? The clearly poor decision to leave Birchard off the Olympic team given her performances--despite Dineen's lobbying to have her-- is also newsworthy information they shared. And it's also about time someone finally did a detailed video review showing the atrocious quality of officiating. In today's world, until such bad decisions are exposed publicly by the media, there are not enough incentives to make changes.
As long as they are sticking to the facts, and supporting it with documented evidence, I think it's great. That's what journalism is supposed to be.
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driventoit
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Re: 2014 Four Nations Cup
Why do they make teams that play organized hockey at this level play pond hockey in OT? Extended 4x4 just doesn't seem like real hockey. Everything one loves to see in the game just becomes haphazard. When/if the refs get around to calling a penalty (and who can blame them if they don't in this strange, free-form variant of the game) and there's a PP or PK to hold your breath through, you're reminded of the skills you'd been watching for the first three periods. Also, 4x4 seems inevitably to lead to the dreaded shootout, which at least has it's own logic and a fair amount of drama. Isn't 5x5 hockey more likely to produce a GWG?
This may be a rant, given lack of sleep, so I'm prepared to be instructed otherwise, if need be.
(Btw, D2D, thanks for the TV link last night. I guess.)
Why do they make teams that play organized hockey at this level play pond hockey in OT? Extended 4x4 just doesn't seem like real hockey. Everything one loves to see in the game just becomes haphazard. When/if the refs get around to calling a penalty (and who can blame them if they don't in this strange, free-form variant of the game) and there's a PP or PK to hold your breath through, you're reminded of the skills you'd been watching for the first three periods. Also, 4x4 seems inevitably to lead to the dreaded shootout, which at least has it's own logic and a fair amount of drama. Isn't 5x5 hockey more likely to produce a GWG?
This may be a rant, given lack of sleep, so I'm prepared to be instructed otherwise, if need be.
(Btw, D2D, thanks for the TV link last night. I guess.)
I thought she played pretty well. Was surprised she was the one sitting for the big game, given how well she'd been doing. Steady on D, smart decisions, jumping into offense a bit. You definitely noticed her (in a good way), but didn't have the impact of a Birchard or Fortino. Nothing flashy, but that's not her game.
I actually like 4 on 4. Far more likely to create goals because of the extra space, which magnifies impact of mistakes. I wish they'd keep playing 4 on 4 until someone scores rather than go to dreaded shoot outs.
At least 4 on 4 is still hockey, and a team game rather than an individual skills competition. The NHL uses 4 on 4 for overtime periods although they then go to SO.
If you kept playing 5 on 5, the game could go on virtually forever.
In Ontario, they keep playing 5 on 5 for the provincial championships at every level until someone wins. I've seen teams go 11 periods until kids basically could no longer skate and move in slow motion. 4 on 4 would likely keep games a more manageable length. Anything --even 3 on 3--is far better than a shoot out in my books