2014-15 College Football Part II: SEC vs World

[SJHovey]

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The Buckeyes went through Oregon like crap through a goose. If they hadn't had so many turnovers, they would have scored 60. No question or doubt about the better club. OSU by a mile.

I was talking about the OSU-Alabama game in which he said OSU "steamrolled" Alabama.

 

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To those taking the other point of view on the last touchdown: You have a point. A very small point, but yes: When the Oregon defense committed the offside penalty on 4th and short, it was then possible to kill the remaining time by taking knees. But that was the first moment that was the case. Right up until then, taking knees would have meant giving the ball back. And choosing to give the ball back on downs would have been both unnecessary and dumb.

With the first down in hand, the Buckeyes ideally would have let the game end on the Oregon two yard line. But let's be clear: The "controversy" concerns a two yard rushing play between the tackles. To be seriously upset about those two yards strikes me as rather petty. Call it excessive celebration if you want. My answer is a Joey Bosa Shrug.

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I agree that it was a very small point. At that level of play it's not Ohio State's job to keep the score in hand; it's Oregon's. And quite frankly it appeared to me that Oregon had quit, so I didn't have much sympathy for them.

My (also very small) point is different. I think it would have been nice if that last carry had been by some senior running back (ideally named "Rudy") who'd worked his azz off for four years but rarely, if ever, got in a game.

 

[Kepler]

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The Buckeyes went through Oregon like crap through a goose. If they hadn't had so many turnovers, they would have scored 60. No question or doubt about the better club. OSU by a mile.

As a UO fan, I could not agree more. Ohio State blew us so far off the LOS we're still trying to find some of our linemen.

 

[pgb-ohio]

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My (also very small) point is different. I think it would have been nice if that last carry had been by some senior running back (ideally named "Rudy") who'd worked his azz off for four years but rarely, if ever, got in a game.

I like it! I'm not sure we have a "Rudy" running back on the current roster. But letting Evan Spencer run the ball in would have had a similar feel to it. (exemplary practice player, multipurpose player on the field, but second fiddle to the larger stars) At the same time, such a move would also have attracted the brick throwers; it would have been dismissed as too "showy" and premeditated to be acceptable.

I honestly think what happened in the intense excitement of the moment is that they just ran the same play they had called on 4th and 1.

 

[The Rube]

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In contrast, Brent's comment is worth a moment's reflection. Despite the improved playoff system, the incentive to earn style points remains a serious problem. But after considering it, I simply don't believe that impressing next year's voters had anything to do with last night's final touchdown. It was a celebratory moment, not a calculated one.

Thought of some more stuff this morning, harkening back to some TMQ articles over the years. Sort of related: NFL coach is down 28-0 in the fourth, ball on the 5 yard line (just to throw out a random example). They kick the FG instead of going for the TD. Why? Well, no shutout. Looks better on the stat sheet. Future recruitment, contracts, etc.

You win handily on the field, but only by a touchdown or two on the scoreboard? Ok, solid. You TROUNCE the other team on the scoreboard? Looks better. Like you say, style points.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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TMQ? Is that the column written by that haughty dipsh't Gregg Easterbrook?

There's your first problem...

 

[The Rube]

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TMQ? Is that the column written by that haughty dipsh't Gregg Easterbrook?

There's your first problem...

He had some good points over the years. I have to admit, it MIGHT have been Simmons, but I think it was TMQ (he broke down stats and games of the previous week).

 

[JF_Gophers]

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Saban and Fisher were finalists for coach of the year but we're disqualified because they couldn't attend the ceremony.

Wow not a very prestigious award I guess if it's based on who can attend.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Isn't there like four or five coach of the year awards?

 

[XYZ]

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NCAA reaches proposed settlement in Corman lawsuit
Agreement allows fine money to be distributed
January 16, 2015 12:58pm

Programs serving child sexual abuse survivors will now receive millions of dollars as part of the NCAA's proposed settlement with Pennsylvania state officials. This lawsuit stemmed from the NCAA’s sanctions against Penn State University for its role in allowing serial child sexual abuse to occur on its campus.

The proposed settlement agreement with the NCAA, university and state officials, among other things, restores Penn State’s vacated wins from 1998 through 2011.

Subject to board approval from Penn State and the NCAA, the new agreement between the NCAA and Penn State, replacing the 2012 consent decree between the parties, provides the following:

Penn State agrees to commit a total of $60 million to activities and programs for the prevention of child sexual abuse and the treatment of victims of child sexual abuse.
Penn State acknowledges the NCAA's legitimate and good faith interest and concern regarding the Jerry Sandusky matter.
Penn State and the NCAA will enter into a new Athletics Integrity Agreement that (with concurrence of the Big Ten) includes best practices with which the university is committed to comply and that provides for the university to continue to retain the services of Sen. George Mitchell and his firm to support the university's activities under the Athletics Integrity Agreement and in the areas of compliance, ethics and integrity.

In July 2012, the NCAA Division I Board of Directors and Executive Committee issued unprecedented sanctions for Penn State’s role in enabling child sexual abuse to occur on campus. In addition to the $60 million fine and vacation of wins, these penalties included a four-year postseason ban, scholarship reductions, five-year probation and a waiver of transfer rules. The NCAA Executive Committee restored postseason access and the full complement of scholarships in 2014, based on the recommendation from Athletics Integrity Monitor Sen. George Mitchell in response to the university’s progress.

“I am pleased to learn that financial resources to help child sexual abuse survivors will soon become available,” said Sen. George J. Mitchell. “I remain impressed with Penn State’s progress to date and look forward to its many reforms and improvements continuing to take root.”

“Continuing this litigation would further delay the distribution of funds to child sexual abuse survivors for years, undermining the very intent of the fine,” said Harris Pastides, University of South Carolina president and member of the NCAA Board of Governors. “While others will focus on the return of wins, our top priority is on protecting, educating and nurturing young people.”

The lawsuit originally asked the judge to restrict the distribution of the $60 million fine to child sexual abuse prevention organizations in Pennsylvania rather than national organizations. The NCAA repeatedly attempted to resolve the dispute regarding the fine, even agreeing to move the funds into a state endowment rather than distribute them nationally as originally intended. The judge denied this motion and expanded the lawsuit to include the NCAA’s authority to act in this matter, which the plaintiffs did not previously question. Penn State initiated the latest settlement discussions in mid-December.

“Today’s agreement with Penn State reaffirms our authority to act,” said Kirk Schulz, Kansas State University president and chair of the NCAA Board of Governors. “The NCAA has a legitimate role when a member’s actions threaten the integrity of college sports. We acted in good faith in addressing the failures and subsequent improvements on Penn State’s campus. We must acknowledge the continued progress of the university while also maintaining our commitment to supporting the survivors of child sexual abuse.”

The NCAA will aggressively defend the Paterno estate’s challenge to the validity of the now-replaced consent decree.

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[JF_Gophers]

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That's 111 wins returned to his record.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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Shoot. That means MSU loses the lead in the Land Grant Trophy. It also means PSU got off easier than USC did for one player getting benefits from an outside booster. Actually, I think they were already getting off easier before the bowl ban was lifted because the scholarships kept getting reinstated.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en data-scribe-reduced-action-queue="><p>The NCAA can do whatever it wants, but it can never take away the time Joe Paterno crapped his pants on the field. <a href="https://t.co/1IvxoB86ze">https://t.co/1IvxoB86ze</a></p>— Dave Lozo (@DaveLozo) <a href="https://twitter.com/DaveLozo/status/556154443188948993">January 16, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[dxmnkd316]

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Unbelievable. Bunch of scumbags.

 

[JF_Gophers]

Unbelievable. Bunch of scumbags.

Vacated wins aren't a real punishment anyways. So I don't care much about that aspect of it. In this case it happened to be a very winning coach, but beyond that was pointless.

The players who played those games didn't deserve the loss of those games.

The real punishment would be financially and school reputation.

 

[Kepler]

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Vacated wins aren't a real punishment anyways. So I don't care much about that aspect of it. In this case it happened to be a very winning coach, but beyond that was pointless.

The players who played those games didn't deserve the loss of those games.

The real punishment would be financially and school reputation.

This may be naive, but I think the financial penalty should come only from the civil suits the victims bring against the school. The NC$$ has an interest in school compliance with its rules, but that's all. The victims themselves, OTOH, should sue Penn State until all that's left of Happy Valley is a smoldering hole in the ground.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Given how ****ty of an organization the NCAA is, it shouldn't be surprising that they're joining Penn State in being an organization that condones child rape.

 

[bronconick]

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USC got hit harder for one student athlete getting money. Bobby Bowden vacated a few dozen wins for a cheating tutor.

Great move.

 

[Jimjamesak]

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Heck, at this point UAF is getting hit harder for an administrator * up than Penn State.

 

[MountieBoyOz]

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So Joe Paterno's records are restored, but USC is still feeling the effects of something Reggie Bush's PARENTS did. Glad to see the NCAA has its priorities in order.