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2013 "I was screwed by the NCAA" thread...

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What's the rule for how many playoff spots exist? I know we have 11 right now, but wouldn't an even number like 12 or even 16 make a lot more sense? I think a 16-team tournament would be ideal that way not as many great teams would be forced to stay home. I think the tournament would be much improved if teams like Williams, Plattsburgh, Neumann, and/or Hobart were included in it. The NCAA tournament should start with the 16 best teams out there, and the best will survive to the end. That's just my view though.
 
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toto238 said:
What's the rule for how many playoff spots exist? I know we have 11 right now, but wouldn't an even number like 12 or even 16 make a lot more sense? I think a 16-team tournament would be ideal that way not as many great teams would be forced to stay home. I think the tournament would be much improved if teams like Williams, Plattsburgh, Neumann, and/or Hobart were included in it. The NCAA tournament should start with the 16 best teams out there, and the best will survive to the end. That's just my view though.
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1 spot in the bracket for every 6.5 teams sponsoring the sport at the Division III level (so not counting the DIIs). That's the consistent rule across all Division III athletics.
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
1 spot in the bracket for every 6.5 teams sponsoring the sport at the Division III level (so not counting the DIIs). That's the consistent rule across all Division III athletics.
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So it would be a 12 team bracket if the number of total teams went up to 75? That's not bad, there might be that number in a couple years.
 
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toto238 said:
So it would be a 12 team bracket if the number of total teams went up to 75? That's not bad, there might be that number in a couple years.
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Canton makes for 73. At 75, we would be at ~11.54 teams in the tournament... we would need to assume the NCAA rounds. For some rules they round, for some rules they truncate (meaning we would need 78 teams to get to 12). For this one, I couldn't tell you what they do, honestly :P
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
Canton makes for 73. At 75, we would be at ~11.54 teams in the tournament... we would need to assume the NCAA rounds. For some rules they round, for some rules they truncate (meaning we would need 78 teams to get to 12). For this one, I couldn't tell you what they do, honestly :P
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The women's tournament went from 7 to 8 by rounding. However getting the Men's tournament from 10 to 11 used a calculation that determined the number of required teams by multiplying 6.5 by 11 and then truncating.

The one used for the women means that 75 would work. The one used for the expansion of the men's tournament will require 78. There is no consistency.
 
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UncleRay said:
Then where would the motivation come from to join the ECAC-W? Where would the motivation come from for the ECAC-W to find another school? The solution, which has probably been discussed elsewhere, is to bring Canton in. They are geographically close and I assume are looking for a league to call home.
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The motivation would come from schools at the bottom of SUNYAC glady moving to another NY conf that now has an automatic bid and less schools to compete with. If no schools choose to join then they concede to letting ECAC-W gain auto-bid with less schools until somone jumps.

Yes hopefully Canton is the answer to ending the ongoing drama with ECAC-W tourament bid. Hopefully they do not end up going to SUNYAC as a SUNY school???

That said, hard to understand how NCAA would not try and improve on what has happened with ECAC-W.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
So everybody reorganizes into 2-team leagues, nobody joins any other league, and after three years, everybody gets AQs?

It was absurd when you first proposed this, and it's even more absurd trying to propose it the second time.
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Now i just can't even compete with that logic. It's really not that difficult. There are plenty of twisted rules to come up with the crazy Pool C bids. Implementing some system to balance out the conferences is far less of a controversial move for the NCAA.
 
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d3newbie said:
The motivation would come from schools at the bottom of SUNYAC glady moving to another NY conf that now has an automatic bid and less schools to compete with. If no schools choose to join then they concede to letting ECAC-W gain auto-bid with less schools until somone jumps.

Yes hopefully Canton is the answer to ending the ongoing drama with ECAC-W tourament bid. Hopefully they do not end up going to SUNYAC as a SUNY school???

That said, hard to understand how NCAA would not try and improve on what has happened with ECAC-W.
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You should probably stop now. The SUNYAC schools aren't going anywhere.
 
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d3newbie said:
The motivation would come from schools at the bottom of SUNYAC glady moving to another NY conf that now has an automatic bid and less schools to compete with. If no schools choose to join then they concede to letting ECAC-W gain auto-bid with less schools until somone jumps.

Yes hopefully Canton is the answer to ending the ongoing drama with ECAC-W tourament bid. Hopefully they do not end up going to SUNYAC as a SUNY school???

That said, hard to understand how NCAA would not try and improve on what has happened with ECAC-W.
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The NCAA sets its standards to 7 teams per conference to receive an auto bid. why would they reward a conference with an auto bid because that conference has failed to bring in enough teams to qualify for an auto bid?

as for the "lower SUNYAC teams" leaving, it's not just as easy as saying they want to play in another conference in hockey, they would have to move a certain number of sports to that conference I believe.
 
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d3newbie said:
Now i just can't even compete with that logic. It's really not that difficult. There are plenty of twisted rules to come up with the crazy Pool C bids. Implementing some system to balance out the conferences is far less of a controversial move for the NCAA.
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there are no twisted rules for a Pool C bid... they have criteria that they use to to determine pool C, yes there does seem to be some "exception" from time to time but usually it's pretty clear cut on who the pool C bids are between.
 
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LoudHorns31 said:
there are no twisted rules for a Pool C bid... they have criteria that they use to to determine pool C, yes there does seem to be some "exception" from time to time but usually it's pretty clear cut on who the pool C bids are between.
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This is twisted...

Pool C: The Pool C bids are awarded based on the same criteria that are used to eventually seed all teams and begin to determine matchups in the first two rounds. We know what these criteria are, but they are not given specific weights. Therefore it is impossible to know with complete certainty which teams will be selected.

Indeed, it is entirely possible how the criteria are weighed against each other varies from comparison-to-comparison, and perhaps from year-to-year. The so-called “primary” criteria are:
•Win-loss percentage against regional opponents
•Strength of schedule* against regional opponents

- Consisting of Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP) and

- Opponents' Opponents' Winning Percentage (OOWP)
•Head-to-head competition in region
•Results against common regional opponents
•Results against regionally ranked teams^

* Strength of Schedule (SOS) is determined by a composite figure consisting of 2/3 OWP and 1/3 OOWP.

^ Once a team appears in the regional rankings once, it shall be considered a "ranked" team for the remainder of the ranking and selection process.
 
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d3newbie said:
That said, hard to understand how NCAA would not try and improve on what has happened with ECAC-W.
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This may help us get to why you are having such a hard time with this. You should realize that which teams are in what leagues is not up to the NC$$. They really don't care. They could give 2 5hits if the ECAC-W gets an autobid or not. They have set the bar at 7 teams to get a bid, and it is up to each league to meet that. Leagues that can't or won't will not get special dispensation from the NC$$. Nor should they.
 
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d3newbie said:
That said, hard to understand how NCAA would not try and improve on what has happened with ECAC-W.
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It is None of the NCAA's business-period. You give them far too much credit if you really think a set of rules could be implemented and enforced to ensure conference balance. Have you followed what's happening to D1 conferences all over the country in basketball and football? Should the NCAA stop that as well? why are these conference structures changing? because of market forces and money. You probably like 68 teams in the NCAA D1 basketball tourney as well.

Look, I'm not saying Neumann doesn't belong-I haven't seen them play. And having had the opportunity to go to Lake Placid in 2008 and meet and be with those great fans out east (took me awhile to get used to the horns and such from Plattsburgh but I did) and also seeing some of those fans and their teams at Ridder arena in 2010 I will tell you there is great hockey out east.

But you do really need to stop. The tentacles of the NCAA are nowhere near numerous enough or big enough to even think about what you are proposing--they are incapable of and should not be involved in micromanaging the balancing of conferences. And unless something has changed very recently, I do believe that the newly created WIAC in the west, which does not have 7 teams either, is in the same boat as the ECAC-W beginning next season.
 
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Checking Line said:
And unless something has changed very recently, I do believe that the newly created WIAC in the west, which does not have 7 teams either, is in the same boat as the ECAC-W beginning next season.
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The formation of the WIAC will mean that Pool B will come back and a team from one of those leagues will get a bid from that as well as being eligible for Pool C.
 
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d3newbie said:
So does that mean Canton as well? Are they destined for SUNYAC?
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Saints17 said:
Depends on who you ask. My gut tells me they are...
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On the final Behind the Bench of the season on WIRY, Coach Emery said "We as a group of coaches in the SUNYAC would like to have Canton come into the league. They can't apply until they become full NCAA, but we would like to get them in to have an even league. If they do come into the league, then Oswego and Canton would be travel partners, and Morrisville and Cortland would be partners."

In regards to Utica's application, he said "No, they got shot down. We're not going to have any private schools in our league."


You can listen to it here. The Canton discussion starts at 29:30.
 
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