2013 "I was screwed by the NCAA" thread...

[Russell Jaslow]

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I went to school for one year at UNLV before transferring back east. Does the ncaa do the same thing to Nevada schools?

I don't believe so, and I think the reason is Nevada bookmakers are not allowed to take any bets on any schools in Nevada. But then, I can't remember any sports playoff games hosted by a Nevada schoool... And, you'll never see the Final Four there. I remember when UNLV made the Final Four, there was an article about how much the Nevada casinos were going to lose because they could not take any bets.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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So the main problem is that ECAC-W does not have an automatic bid, otw, yes even if the team is undefeated in regular season, they do not currnetly get the automatic bid.

If this discussion was about fixing what is wrong, I would first settle the problem with ECAC-W not having an automatice bid so this does not continue as it has for so many years. Without an automatic bid I would still advance the team that won the division ahead of the team that had a higher regular season math score.

The topic of the ECAC West getting enough teams for an automatic bid is as old as the ECAC West not having enough teams....

No, the champion should not advance automatically. That's the part about not having an automaic bid. What happens if it was a two-team league? How fair would that be to the 12-team leagues? There is a minimum. Meet it or don't cry about it. There are some conferences which don't meet the AQ requirements and never get a team in. There is a valid reason for that.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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Still fun to ***** about it. And it is the thread topic....

Exactly. This thread is specifically set up to catch all this residue before the national tournament begins in earnest.

 

[norm1909]

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The topic of the ECAC West getting enough teams for an automatic bid is as old as the ECAC West not having enough teams....

No, the champion should not advance automatically. That's the part about not having an automaic bid. What happens if it was a two-team league? How fair would that be to the 12-team leagues? There is a minimum. Meet it or don't cry about it. There are some conferences which don't meet the AQ requirements and never get a team in. There is a valid reason for that.

They would join MCHA

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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Have you people read these threads the last month ? It has been gone over a thousand times...look back.

BTW...Didn't NJ just turn down sports betting ??

No.

The courts ruled against NJ in the latest salvo, but there are plenty of battles to be had from both sides.

And the ruling came after the NCAA already stripped Montclair State of the opportunity to host. And, like I said, it is far from the final ruling anyway.

 

[d3newbie]

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The topic of the ECAC West getting enough teams for an automatic bid is as old as the ECAC West not having enough teams....

No, the champion should not advance automatically. That's the part about not having an automaic bid. What happens if it was a two-team league? How fair would that be to the 12-team leagues? There is a minimum. Meet it or don't cry about it. There are some conferences which don't meet the AQ requirements and never get a team in. There is a valid reason for that.

I would not let a team that did not win its conference advance ahead of their conference champion. That just underminds the conference playoff. The conference champion would still need to earn the At-Large bid from other conferences.

The only real fix is to get the necessary teams to ECAC-W. NCAA should work to remedy the problem after so many years if Conferences do not get it resolved. Perhaps after 3 years award the division an automatic bid to motivate other teams to want to relocate.

 

[Domesfan]

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Just think of all the complaints when (if) ECAC-W gets an autobid. With only 2 "C" bids more teams can be "screwed by the NCAA" lol

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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Perhaps after 3 years award the division an automatic bid to motivate other teams to want to relocate.

Absolutey not. There would be no incentive for those conference to grow, and then everybody would join 2-team conferences. Absurd? Of course. So where do you draw the line? The NCAA says the line is 7 teams. The line has to be somewhere. That's where it is.

 

[NUProf]

Absolutey not. There would be no incentive for those conference to grow, and then everybody would join 2-team conferences. Absurd? Of course. So where do you draw the line? The NCAA says the line is 7 teams. The line has to be somewhere. That's where it is.

Furthermore, the limit needs to be more than the teams per bid ratio, or chaos could ensue

 

[joecct]

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I guess I am from Mars. Winning your division should mean everything and is what makes playoff hockey great. Using math to re-shuffle the deck outside of what happens in playoffs just kills the momemtum, excitement, and unpredictabilty of playoff hockey. What happens in regular season does not mean squat if you dont perform in playoffs.

The sad reality is Neuman should be in for ECAC West as they won their division. Utica lost in conference quarter finals, not only are they in but they got a first round bye.

Sadly, I agree with you 'If you win again, you win and go to Placid. If you don't why would you think you deserved to be champs?' Unfortunately that is not what happened.

If you're from Mars, are you a fan of St. Scholastica??

You're telling me! When I read an article about this, I had steam coming out of my ears. The hypocrisy of the NCAA was never more evident than in this situation. Going against everything Division III athletics is supposed to stand for.

Against da rules? And Da Rules rules.

 

[d3newbie]

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Furthermore, the limit needs to be more than the teams per bid ratio, or chaos could ensue

There needs to be some motivation so that the ECAC-W drama does not continue for so many years. There are plenty of fixes to get to a desired balance of schools in each Conference.

My proposal is draw the line at 3 years for teams to relocate to balance the numbers. If after 3 years teams do not relocate, the conference gets the bid as long as they do not reject teams requesting membership.

To let ECAC-W continue to flounder for so many years is far more absurd considering the expense the schools are putting up to field these teams.

 

[Pioneers#1]

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Obligatory "Utica got screwed" post.....

Oh wait...

(Score)

+1

 

[norm1909]

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There needs to be some motivation so that the ECAC-W drama does not continue for so many years. There are plenty of fixes to get to a desired balance of schools in each Conference.

My proposal is draw the line at 3 years for teams to relocate to balance the numbers. If after 3 years teams do not relocate, the conference gets the bid as long as they do not reject teams requesting membership.

To let ECAC-W continue to flounder for so many years is far more absurd considering the expense the schools are putting up to field these teams.

It is RIT'S fault.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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There needs to be some motivation so that the ECAC-W drama does not continue for so many years. There are plenty of fixes to get to a desired balance of schools in each Conference.

My proposal is draw the line at 3 years for teams to relocate to balance the numbers. If after 3 years teams do not relocate, the conference gets the bid as long as they do not reject teams requesting membership.

To let ECAC-W continue to flounder for so many years is far more absurd considering the expense the schools are putting up to field these teams.

So everybody reorganizes into 2-team leagues, nobody joins any other league, and after three years, everybody gets AQs?

It was absurd when you first proposed this, and it's even more absurd trying to propose it the second time.

 

[NUProf]

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If every team was in a 6 team league there would be more bis than places on the tournament

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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I don't believe so, and I think the reason is Nevada bookmakers are not allowed to take any bets on any schools in Nevada. But then, I can't remember any sports playoff games hosted by a Nevada schoool... And, you'll never see the Final Four there. I remember when UNLV made the Final Four, there was an article about how much the Nevada casinos were going to lose because they could not take any bets.

From the 2012 NCAA ICE HOCKEY PRE-CHAMPIONSHIPS MANUAL, Page 5 (which is the 10th page of the file):

Hosting Opportunities. No predetermined or non-predetermined session of an NCAA championship may be conducted in
a state with legal wagering that is based on single-game betting on the outcome of any event (i.e., high school, college or
professional) in a sport in which the NCAA conducts a championship.

I know I've seen it in the various championships manuals before that (and before they required an institutional password to access). It's nothing new. Just enforcing the rules, I guess.

Also, Here's an article about the NJ Court Ruling. Given that Nevada is the only state that currently allows single-game betting, Nevada (and NJ, if they were to win an appeal) is the only state affected by this rule. Delaware only takes multi-game bets on sporting events, so they pass the test.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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I know I've seen it in the various championships manuals before that (and before they required an institutional password to access). It's nothing new. Just enforcing the rules, I guess.

Thanks for the cite.

The problem is, NJ hadn't even enacted this, and the NCAA still decided to go ahead and circumvent their own rules and bone Montclair.

 

[joecct]

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If every team was in a 6 team league there would be more bis than places on the tournament

D-I only requires 6 team conferences. A National Collegiate Championship only requires 6 team conferences. Division III requires 7 team conferences.

It's all RIT's fault.

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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Thanks for the cite.

The problem is, NJ hadn't even enacted this, and the NCAA still decided to go ahead and circumvent their own rules and bone Montclair.

From SB Nation: (bold added for emphasis)

The New Jersey sports gambling case story is not getting a ton of coverage, but it could prove to be a fairly significant one in 2013. In November 2011, the state approved a non-binding referendum to allow sports betting. In January 2012, Governor Chris Christie signed legislation to allow sports betting, and subsequently announced plans to implement a wagering system across the state before the end of the 2012 NFL season.

In making this announcement, Christie stated that those who opposed New Jersey's plan would need to take action to stop them. Such action in the recent past has come under the Professional Amateur Sports Protection Act of 1992 (PASPA). The law has regulated sports betting throughout the United States, providing exceptions to states that had sports gambling in place between January 1, 1976 and August 31, 1990. This allowed for different levels of sports gambling in Oregon, Delaware, Montana and Nevada.

The legislation was passed, and the single-game betting was therefore, at the time, legal, even if it hadn't yet been implemented in practice. You said yourself, the NCAA decision was made before the court decision. So at the time the decision was made, their own rules said that it was the right decision.

(Am I actually DEFENDING the NCAA beaurocracy here? Wow...)

 

[UncleRay]

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There needs to be some motivation so that the ECAC-W drama does not continue for so many years. There are plenty of fixes to get to a desired balance of schools in each Conference.

My proposal is draw the line at 3 years for teams to relocate to balance the numbers. If after 3 years teams do not relocate, the conference gets the bid as long as they do not reject teams requesting membership.

To let ECAC-W continue to flounder for so many years is far more absurd considering the expense the schools are putting up to field these teams.

Then where would the motivation come from to join the ECAC-W? Where would the motivation come from for the ECAC-W to find another school? The solution, which has probably been discussed elsewhere, is to bring Canton in. They are geographically close and I assume are looking for a league to call home.