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2013 "I was screwed by the NCAA" thread...

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gobabson said:
I am not sure but if the bracket was drawn up the way they normally are it appears to me that Norwich was granted the #1 seed.
My point is that the w/l's should add up and are used to get you in the tournament. Once they start seeding the tournament though don't you think head to head should come in to account? And don't you think losing a championship game should come into account? Norwich's w/l's defintely was good enough to get them in to the tournament as an at-large, but I feel they should have felt some pain for getting in off a lose.

But that's ok, we'll be there cheering Wed night and hopefully Babson will be able to earn the right to go back and try to do it again at Norwich.

Enough fighting about this, good luck to everybody!
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If head to head counted Neuman would be in. Neuman beat Norwich and Utica also won the ECAC-WEST championship and didnt get in. Plattsburgh same boat they beat Ozz twice.The NCAA got the seeds correct with Babsons low SOS and 17-6-5 record vs Norwich 23-3-1
 
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Beaver Believer said:
Noone from Babson is complaining about the seeding. To be the best you need to beat the best, period. The focus on on Wednesday night not Saturday!
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It is what it is. Saying the seeding is unfair is disrespecting your own team as far as I am concerned.
 
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gobabson said:
I am not sure but if the bracket was drawn up the way they normally are it appears to me that Norwich was granted the #1 seed.
My point is that the w/l's should add up and are used to get you in the tournament. Once they start seeding the tournament though don't you think head to head should come in to account? And don't you think losing a championship game should come into account? Norwich's w/l's defintely was good enough to get them in to the tournament as an at-large, but I feel they should have felt some pain for getting in losing the automatic bid.

But that's ok, we'll be there cheering Wed night and hopefully Babson will be able to earn the right to go back and try to do it again at Norwich.

Enough fighting about this, good luck to everybody!
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Of all the metrics out there, there is only one that has us above Norwich: head-to-head. In every other metric Norwich>Babson. By a lot. The NC$$ may have made a mistake in the brackets, but it wasn't that one.
 
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wickfan said:
If head to head counted Neuman would be in. Neuman beat Norwich and Utica also won the ECAC-WEST championship and didnt get in. Plattsburgh same boat they beat Ozz twice.The NCAA got the seeds correct with Babsons low SOS and 17-6-5 record vs Norwich 23-3-1
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Actually, Babson has a high SoS -- even better than Norwich. However, just to show you how crazy the SoS is, Nazereth had the hardest SoS in the country. You may play a hard schedule, but you have to win them, too.
 
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NUProf said:
The criteria look at the entire body of work for the season. If you win again, you win and go to Placid. If you don't why would you think you deserved to be champs?

Complaining about seedings is all about not trusting your team to win.
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I guess I am from Mars. Winning your division should mean everything and is what makes playoff hockey great. Using math to re-shuffle the deck outside of what happens in playoffs just kills the momemtum, excitement, and unpredictabilty of playoff hockey. What happens in regular season does not mean squat if you dont perform in playoffs.

The sad reality is Neuman should be in for ECAC West as they won their division. Utica lost in conference quarter finals, not only are they in but they got a first round bye.

Sadly, I agree with you 'If you win again, you win and go to Placid. If you don't why would you think you deserved to be champs?' Unfortunately that is not what happened.
 
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d3newbie said:
I guess I am from Mars. Winning your division should mean everything and is what makes playoff hockey great. Using math to re-shuffle the deck outside of what happens in playoffs just kills the momemtum, excitement, and unpredictabilty of playoff hockey. What happens in regular season does not mean squat if you dont perform in playoffs.

The sad reality is Neuman should be in for ECAC West as they won their division. Utica lost in conference quarter finals, not only are they in but they got a first round bye.

Sadly, I agree with you 'If you win again, you win and go to Placid. If you don't why would you think you deserved to be champs?' Unfortunately that is not what happened.
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Please see the discussion on the way the NCAA does this process. We don't have to like it, we just have to understand how it works. The NCAA uses the same process in all d3 sports. They won't change it just because of perceived inequities in one sport or another. It's their sandbox, and we get to play in it.
 
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Laker28 said:
I think Montclair States women's basketball has the biggest complaint against the NCAA this year. They are undefeated on the season including wins over Regis and Lebanon Valley in the NCAA tournament. They had to get those wins in Annville, PA because the NCAA wouldn't allow them to host due to the fact that the state of New Jersey is trying to legalize gambling. I don't think they are good enough to beat some of the top tier teams like Depauw, Amherst, Hope etc. despite the fact that no one has been able to get within 13 points of them this season. But they earned the right to host at least the first two rounds but got screwed because the NCAA and New Jersey don't see eye to eye on gambling.
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You're telling me! When I read an article about this, I had steam coming out of my ears. The hypocrisy of the NCAA was never more evident than in this situation. Going against everything Division III athletics is supposed to stand for.
 
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Laker28 said:
I think Montclair States women's basketball has the biggest complaint against the NCAA this year. They are undefeated on the season including wins over Regis and Lebanon Valley in the NCAA tournament. They had to get those wins in Annville, PA because the NCAA wouldn't allow them to host due to the fact that the state of New Jersey is trying to legalize gambling. I don't think they are good enough to beat some of the top tier teams like Depauw, Amherst, Hope etc. despite the fact that no one has been able to get within 13 points of them this season. But they earned the right to host at least the first two rounds but got screwed because the NCAA and New Jersey don't see eye to eye on gambling.
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The NCAA's moral superiorty is not news to me (as a Penn State alum, but I won't try and have that argument here), nor is its hypocricy (see U. of Miami investigation). They are a do as we say, not a do as we do organization. Their vendetta against every school located in New Jersey is repulsive to say the least. And sadly, not surprising given their track record.
 
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I went to school for one year at UNLV before transferring back east. Does the ncaa do the same thing to Nevada schools?
 
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Slightly off topic, but I didn't realize that Brockport played 25 home games during 2011-12 (see page 3).
 
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Just FYI - NCAA Division III Men's Ice Hockey LIVE Video Coverage

Day
Broadcast Date Broadcast Time (ET) Network Status Description
Friday 03/15/2013 4:00 PM NCAA.com Live Division III Men's Ice Hockey Semifinal # 1 - TEAMS TBD
Friday 03/15/2013 7:30 PM (approx.) NCAA.com Live Division III Men's Ice Hockey Semifinal # 2 - TEAMS TBD
Saturday 03/16/2013 7:00 PM NCAA.com Live Division III Men's Ice Hockey Final - TEAMS TBD

And the Women's Coverage:

Day
Broadcast Date Broadcast Time (ET) Network Status Description
Friday 03/15/2013 4:30 PM NCAA.com Live Division III Women's Ice Hockey Semifinal # 1 - TEAMS TBD
Friday 03/15/2013 8:30 PM NCAA.com Live Division III Women's Ice Hockey Semifinal # 2 - TEAMS TBD
Saturday 03/16/2013 4:30 PM NCAA.com Live Division III Women's Ice Hockey 3rd Place Game - TEAMS TBD
Saturday 03/16/2013 8:30 PM NCAA.com Live Division III Women's Ice Hockey Final - TEAMS TBD
 
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d3newbie said:
I guess I am from Mars. Winning your division should mean everything and is what makes playoff hockey great. Using math to re-shuffle the deck outside of what happens in playoffs just kills the momemtum, excitement, and unpredictabilty of playoff hockey. What happens in regular season does not mean squat if you dont perform in playoffs.....
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And that happens in the NCAA tournament - if you don't perform you go home. Based on what you wrote if a team was undefeated and lost their conference championship then they wouldn't make the NCAA tournament? Now that would be truly ridiculous.
 
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goaliemom31 said:
So tell me why we are feeling bad for UWEC? Not any different then what happened to SNC last year they had the play in game last year. As far as who is going to win that is a two way street. Either team is capable.
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That's exactly why I feel bad for them because we know how it feels. It isn't blatant like it has been for poast SNC teams getting impacted by travel rules despite being the top overall seed or at least the undisputed #1 seed in the region. I feel like Eau Claire is one of the top 4 or 5 teams in the country and in a perfect world with this 11 team bracket it would mean an automatic Quarter Final and no play-in for the top 5. Not the worst I've seen but it would have been nice.
 
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MW4Bucky&SNC said:
That's exactly why I feel bad for them because we know how it feels. It isn't blatant like it has been for poast SNC teams getting impacted by travel rules despite being the top overall seed or at least the undisputed #1 seed in the region. I feel like Eau Claire is one of the top 4 or 5 teams in the country and in a perfect world with this 11 team bracket it would mean an automatic Quarter Final and no play-in for the top 5. Not the worst I've seen but it would have been nice.
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My guess is that 4 of the top 5 got byes - Oswego got the bye that should have gone to UWEC.
 
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d3newbie said:
I guess I am from Mars. Winning your division should mean everything and is what makes playoff hockey great. Using math to re-shuffle the deck outside of what happens in playoffs just kills the momemtum, excitement, and unpredictabilty of playoff hockey. What happens in regular season does not mean squat if you dont perform in playoffs.

The sad reality is Neuman should be in for ECAC West as they won their division. Utica lost in conference quarter finals, not only are they in but they got a first round bye.

Sadly, I agree with you 'If you win again, you win and go to Placid. If you don't why would you think you deserved to be champs?' Unfortunately that is not what happened.
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I would be outraged by this too but the same exact thing happened to Hobart last year. Came in as #3 seed beat Manhattanville on the road 6-2 hosted #5 Neuman at home in championship and won 5-0 while Elmira lost in Semis to NU at home. Hobart had also beaten Amherst (NESCAC champion) that year and beat Manhattanville four times and went 1-2 against Elmira who won the conference which is what cost them the bid most likely (same thing as NU, lost series 2-1 to UC). This is the 3rd time this has happened in our conference and until NCAAs expand tourney (wont happen due to D3 rules) or ECAC-W gets a 7th team (seems likely in next year or two) this will continually happen if the top 2 teams in our conference dont win it.

Also Neumanns numbers didnt even match up to Hobart, 3-1 in favor of Hobart in the 5 primary criteria, so hard to justify them getting in without an autobid from ECACW championship. Late season runs dont matter if you dont have the numbers to back it up as the Statesmen found out last year. So sorry Neumann, I feel your pain but if they got in, I would have some serious questions...
 
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Have you people read these threads the last month ? It has been gone over a thousand times...look back.

BTW...Didn't NJ just turn down sports betting ??
 
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nujack said:
And that happens in the NCAA tournament - if you don't perform you go home. Based on what you wrote if a team was undefeated and lost their conference championship then they wouldn't make the NCAA tournament? Now that would be truly ridiculous.
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So the main problem is that ECAC-W does not have an automatic bid, otw, yes even if the team is undefeated in regular season, they do not currnetly get the automatic bid.

If this discussion was about fixing what is wrong, I would first settle the problem with ECAC-W not having an automatice bid so this does not continue as it has for so many years. Without an automatic bid I would still advance the team that won the division ahead of the team that had a higher regular season math score.
 
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