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2013 DI BCS Thread: Thorthu Thame ish bacth!

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Watching Wisconsin fans on Twitter reminds one of this scene...

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"Get those referees back in here! Turn the clock back on! TURN THE CLOCK BACK ON!!!!!"
 
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What planet was the Wisconsin QB on? That's the most bizarre version of a stop clock play I've ever seen.

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he should have just dove to the ground. watching it live, you can't tell if his knee actually touched, but even that doesn't matter. one of the refs should know enough to stop the clock when the other team jumps on the ball in that situation.
 
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Now, I'm not saying that Wisconsin managed their time well at the end but, unless they changed it this year (this is from the 2011/2012 book), here is Rule 4, Section 1, Article 3:

ARTICLE 3. A live ball becomes dead and an official shall sound his whistle or declare it dead:
o. When a ball carrier simulates placing his knee on the ground.

So based on that it would seem his attempting to take a knee was enough and that ASU could have and probably should have been called for delay of game which would have given Wisconsin the chance to kick it I would think. Again, Wisconsin could have managed things better but the refs were certainly at least partially at fault.
 
Proud2baLaker said:
Now, I'm not saying that Wisconsin managed their time well at the end but, unless they changed it this year (this is from the 2011/2012 book), here is Rule 4, Section 1, Article 3:

ARTICLE 3. A live ball becomes dead and an official shall sound his whistle or declare it dead:
o. When a ball carrier simulates placing his knee on the ground.

So based on that it would seem his attempting to take a knee was enough and that ASU could have and probably should have been called for delay of game which would have given Wisconsin the chance to kick it I would think. Again, Wisconsin could have managed things better but the refs were certainly at least partially at fault.
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The whistle did blow.

I agree with the general theme that the refs blew this but also agree that W should have had some awareness that the clock was still ticking. They didn't notice until :04. If ASU's bench was yelling fumble and that is why the players jumped on the ball, why wasn't W's bench yelling for them to line up?

Sure the were people meandering around but this reminds me a little of a second baseman acting like the pitch was fouled off as the base stealer heads into second...whatever the other player does, you do what you are supposed to do.

W should have lined up and snapped the ball even if every ref was over getting a sno cone and ASU was offisde.

Somewhere, a HS team will win a game as the other team lines up for the winning FG and the defenders all fall on the ground dead or start celebrating like the game is over ... The game will end as the offense gets distracted and assumes the ref will do something.
 
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After 3 weeks the PAC-12 is the top conference, coming in at 6-3 against other BCS conferences. They also are tops with 3 wins against ranked opponents. The new All-American Conference has played 41% of their non-conference games against BCS competition. The Big 12 on the other hand has already played 10 games (45%) against FCS opposition and have only gone 8-2 doing so.

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		BCS				FBS				FCS				Total			 Ranked Opponents		
		W	L	Pct		W	L	Pct		W	L	Pct		W	L	Pct		W	L	Pct
AAC		3	6	0.333		5	3	0.625		2	3	0.400		10	12	0.455		0	1	0.000
ACC		4	6	0.400		9	1	0.900		9	0	1.000		22	7	0.759		2	4	0.333
Big 10	        8	6	0.571		15	0	1.000		7	0	1.000		30	6	0.833		1	3	0.250
Big 12	        1	3	0.250		6	2	0.750		8	2	0.800		15	7	0.682		0	2	0.000
Pac 12	        6	3	0.667		9	0	1.000		8	1	0.889		23	4	0.852		3	2	0.600
SEC		6	5	0.545		10	1	0.909		7	0	1.000		23	6	0.793		1	4	0.200
		28	29	0.491		54	7	0.885		41	6	0.872		123	42	0.745		7	16	0.304
*** Notre Dame is 2-1 vs BCS competition ***
 
Re: 2013 DI BCS Thread: Thorthu Thame ish bacth!

I don't see much question whether the refs blew the call or not- they did.

That being said, I think Wisconsin really illustrated that a player should be 100% clear in what they are doing to avoid any confusion at all. Had the QB nealed down cleanly, and put the ball right in line how it would be snapped- kind of staying there until until the ref is running his way, there would not have been confusion. IMHO, IF the ASU player then dived on it, either it would have stopped play or there would have been a penalty- which if the clock ran out, gave Wisconsin a play to run.

Again, this isn't about right or wrong- just a way to avoid confusion in the future which will always increase the risk of a mistake. It's a shame that Wisconsin didn't get a chance to win the game with this missed call and confusion.
 
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alfablue said:
I don't see much question whether the refs blew the call or not- they did.

That being said, I think Wisconsin really illustrated that a player should be 100% clear in what they are doing to avoid any confusion at all. Had the QB nealed down cleanly, and put the ball right in line how it would be snapped- kind of staying there until until the ref is running his way, there would not have been confusion. IMHO, IF the ASU player then dived on it, either it would have stopped play or there would have been a penalty- which if the clock ran out, gave Wisconsin a play to run.

Again, this isn't about right or wrong- just a way to avoid confusion in the future which will always increase the risk of a mistake. It's a shame that Wisconsin didn't get a chance to win the game with this missed call and confusion.
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I agree with everything up to the point you said it was a shame. No, it was priceless. :) ;)
 
Greyeagle said:
I agree with everything up to the point you said it was a shame. No, it was priceless. :) ;)
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I appreciate and approve of this sentiment. Seriously.

It's fun watching your rivals lose... especially when something dramatic happens right at the end to rip it away. ;) :p
 
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Well, that was one odd ending to a game. As an ASU fan, I gotta say that on balance it does appear the Badgers got shafted by the refs on the last play and should have had a chance to kick the field goal. Of course the kneel was muffed just enough to create confusion and with no timeouts, that's a chance you take as Wisconsin that something odd/unexpected won't happen and lose the chance to try the field goal. Of course as an ASU fan I could push the argument that Wisconsin got a break from the officials to get into that position to begin with, as Duckworth looked to have stepped out of bounds well up field on the play that got Wisconsin into field goal range to begin with. But, hey, we'll take the win and head off to our likely loss at Stanford next weekend.
 
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Bob Gray said:
But, hey, we'll take the win and head off to our likely loss at Stanford next weekend.
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We haven't looked like world beaters in our first couple of games. Granted, we might be playing conservatively in our more guaranteed wins before the conference schedule starts, and our style of play doesn't lend itself to racking up 70 points. But having a ranked ASU team coming in on the first weekend students are back is as good a time as any to starting going full bore.
 
Re: 2013 DI BCS Thread: Thorthu Thame ish bacth!

So, if the 'Bama-A&M game had ended the way the Wisc-ASU game ended, as it is now Tuesday evening, would witnesses have already been subpoenaed for the Senate Select Hearings on College Football Officiating?
 
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jerphisch said:
Go watch this and tell me where he took a knee. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hF-sDYRMAI
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Not sure what that video is supposed to poorly show, but the part where he took a knee happened when he took a knee.


jerphisch said:
I didn't say the refs got it right, I said if he would have actually taken a knee I think the outcome would have been different.
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While he did "actually take a knee" despite your implication otherwise in the first post I replied to here, it might not have made a difference as the Wisconsin kicker has been all over the place lately.

The best part of this whole thing is the "go away" hand wave the ref gives Stave when Stave starts to complain. It's clearly visible in one of the angles but I'm too lazy to find it at the moment.
 
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For SEC haters, this UF-UTgame could be one for the ages. Pathetic or comical, depending where you sit.

Edit: in the 14 minutes since posting, 2 more turnovers, including one which should have been a pick-6, but the Florida player was pushed down by his own man. Florida winning the turnover battle 4-3.
 
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If not for two gift pick-6s Maine would be tied at Northwestern 21-21.
 
Re: 2013 DI BCS Thread: Thorthu Thame ish bacth!

Washington beats Idaho St. 56 - 0. And the Huskies covered the spread... By 6 points.
 
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