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2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations

Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations

FireKnight said:
I'd like to see more scheduling like that, not just in tournaments but in regular season non-conference. Back when I was an undergrad, we used to host and travel with our travel partner, even in non-conference instead of 2 games against the same opponent. That was on the men's side, but the same premise holds. We'd go with SLU and visit BU/BC, Providence/Northeastern, BGSU/Ohio State, etc. I know it's tougher out west because there's a lot more space between teams, but it would be nice if they had more variety in scheduling so we could gauge just how good our teams are on a national scale.
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Amen to that! Unless travel logistics dictate otherwise, playing back to back games against the same opponent seems completely useless.
 
robertearle said:
You play one non-conf team and beat them twice, you get 1.00 vs one team. But you play two teams once and beat both, you get 1.00 vs each of them. Don't know if that's what Mark Johnson had in mind when he scheduled it all, but it wouldn't surprise me...)
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Whenever he is asked during the conference tournament about the workings of the PairWise, Johnson claims ignorance about all workings of such computer rankings and says he leaves it to other people to figure out. Long before the new COp method, Wisconsin scheduled soft out of conference, so my guess is that it was not part of a new strategy on Johnson's part. Based on how the numbers have worked out lately, I think that we'll see more WCHA power teams take the approach that Minnesota used this year: schedule teams that you think you have a good chance to sweep, because the current ranking system does NOT reward strength of schedule.
 
Watson Rink said:
Amen to that! Unless travel logistics dictate otherwise, playing back to back games against the same opponent seems completely useless.
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I disagree. If you want a schedule that will best prepare you for the postseason, play a tough opponent back to back. Come out and beat the team day one, fine. Now the losing team makes adjustments, the players have added incentive to prove that they are better than they just showed. I've seen a large number of series over the years where the second game was an absolute classic after a ho-hum affair on day one.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations

robertearle said:
A round of applause for Grant, aka TonyTheTiger. His predictor numbers are remarkably close to the actual numbers. Well done.
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Thanks you! Very happy with how it turned out. Almost done with my 'exact' predictor which will be usable next year.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations

CrazyDave said:
No, don't agree. BU wouldn't even be in if not for their win today; I can't see them going anywhere but Minneapolis. And assuming Mercyhurst is the pick (based on the estimated Pairwise rankings I've seen), that's not all that long bus trip to Ithaca.
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Below is the final Pairwise.

Few observations.

1 - Quinnipiac ahead of RMU, but with the BU autobid that appears to be academic now.
2 - If they go with complete ranking integrity it falls out pretty good.
( BU at Minny. MU at Cornell, BC at Clarkson and Harvard at Wisco)
Hope they don't mess with it.


Code: 
1	Minnesota	16	36-1-1	.9605	1	.6794*	1
2	Cornell   	15	24-5-4	.7879	4	.6046*	2
3	Clarkson  	14	28-5-5	.8026	2	.5999*	3
4	Wisconsin	13	27-7-2	.7778	5	.5980*	4
5	Harvard   	12	23-6-4	.7576	6	.5832*	6
6	Boston College	11	27-6-3	.7917	3	.5886*	5
7	Mercyhurst	10	23-8-4	.7143	9	.5593*	8
8	Quinnipiac	9	22-6-9	.7162	8	.5609*	7
9	Robert Morris	8	24-8-3	.7286	7	.5568	9
10	North Dakota	7	20-12-4	.6111	12	.5529	10
[COLOR="#FF0000"]11	Boston U.	6	24-12-1	.6622	10	.5458	11[/COLOR]
12	Minnesota-Dul.	5	15-15-6	.5000	18	.5170	13


Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-women/#ixzz2vVER3xXf
 
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Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations

OnMAA said:
Code: 
1	Minnesota	16	36-1-1	.9605	1	.6794*	1
2	Cornell   	15	24-5-4	.7879	4	.6046*	2
3	Clarkson  	14	28-5-5	.8026	2	.5999*	3
4	Wisconsin	13	27-7-2	.7778	5	.5980*	4
5	Harvard   	12	23-6-4	.7576	6	.5832*	6
6	Boston College	11	27-6-3	.7917	3	.5886*	5
7	Mercyhurst	10	23-8-4	.7143	9	.5593*	8
8	Quinnipiac	9	22-6-9	.7162	8	.5609*	7
9	Robert Morris	8	24-8-3	.7286	7	.5568	9
10	North Dakota	7	20-12-4	.6111	12	.5529	10
[COLOR="#FF0000"]11	Boston U.	6	24-12-1	.6622	10	.5458	11[/COLOR]
12	Minnesota-Dul.	5	15-15-6	.5000	18	.5170	13
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Was that meant to be agreement or disagreement? BU is in the tournament because of the Hockey East autobid.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations

ARM said:
Whenever he is asked during the conference tournament about the workings of the PairWise, Johnson claims ignorance about all workings of such computer rankings and says he leaves it to other people to figure out. Long before the new COp method, Wisconsin scheduled soft out of conference, so my guess is that it was not part of a new strategy on Johnson's part. Based on how the numbers have worked out lately, I think that we'll see more WCHA power teams take the approach that Minnesota used this year: schedule teams that you think you have a good chance to sweep, because the current ranking system does NOT reward strength of schedule.
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OK, if not Johnson specifically, then somebody in the AD's department.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations

Numbers, help!

Please see this image -- I'm not sure where my issue is on my RPI calculations again.

http://i.imgur.com/viEFjDH.png

Win% is obvious, I have have that right.

OppWin% -- I successfully found a way to remove the games against the opponent in question. Column M is the OppWin% WITHOUT games against the team in question. (For example, Lindenwood's Win% is .1912 but .2000 when the games against Bemidji are removed.) I *think* I have this correct.

OppOppWin% -- This is just the sum of the results in column M, divided by the number of games played, right? But the RPIs and OppOppWin% are not not coming out right for me...

Note that the home games are being calculated as well, they are just below out of the range of the screen.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations

ARM said:
Who knows what the appropriate time will be. The schedule says 6 p.m. EDT. The note on the women's hockey front page says 6:30. So we'll probably see it when we see it -- unless of course, we don't. :confused:
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I'm always nervous about those links actually becoming active when they're supposed to. Comes from experience with paying for online game video streams. If I had a dime for every time I missed a chunk of...or entire first period...

I hope it becomes active before the "and there you have it" closing remarks.
 
brookyone said:
I hope it becomes active before the "and there you have it" closing remarks.
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All I really want is the bracket. The other remarks are usually pretty meaningless: "18 different languages are spoken in the locker room at UMD, including sign language, but it is mostly just one sign."
 
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ARM said:
All I really want is the bracket. The other remarks are usually pretty meaningless: "18 different languages are spoken in the locker room at UMD, including sign language, but it is mostly just one sign."
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I enjoy them...would like to hear them.
 
Re: 2013-2014 Women's D-I PairWise Contentions and Affirmations

Minny vs BU
Wisco vs Harvard
Cornell vs Mercyhurst
Clarkson vs BC
 
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