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2013, '14, '15 Frozen Four Sites

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blockski said:
So, your best effort is good for the bottom half of the WCHA. Got it. ;)
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Seeing as there's probably only one WCHA team in a similarly-sized geographic area as BC, BU, Northeastern, Harvard, UNH, UMass-Lowell, Merrimack, Holy Cross, and Providence (all of which are a short drive from downtown Boston), it would be pretty sad if the WCHA figures weren't higher.
 
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thebrain said:
These two videos make me want to go to Cleveland...
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Well, the material isn't exactly ready for prime time. Still, there's some legitimate humor there...

But if Cleveland actually bids, those videos don't answer the real questions. All rust belt jabs aside, the Q is a very nice facility that would do just fine staging the games. There are downtown lodging options reasonably close to the arena, along with places to eat and imbibe. For those choosing to stay outside the downtown area, there would be ample parking; the Q is located right next to the baseball stadium.

My biggest question for Cleveland is whether the city would truly embrace the tournament. Since Kent dropped its D-1 program, there hasn't been a D-1 hockey team in NE Ohio. There's also no local NHL team. That means there isn't a substantial local fanbase to provide a core level of support. The formula seems uncomfortably similar to Cincinnati, where most locals simply ignored the event.

Going into the St. Louis tournament, I had a similar concern. But those fears proved to be unfounded. The upper deck was filled with locals. My take was that enough of the Blues fan base rallied behind the event to make it a success.

Could the St. Louis experience be replicated in Cleveland? Maybe. But with a brand new NHL arena, the established Penguins fan base & the developing RMU program, Pittsburgh might be a wiser choice at this time.
 
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i personally would not want to see chicago - while it's a great facility - huge seating capacity - it's in the middle of nowhere. no hotels nearby, restaurants few. it's 2.5 miles from the heart of chicago - michigan ave.

no question the city is great but the locale and lack of transportation to the United Center would be a huge negative for me. The only public transportation is public buses - to the UC.

oh, btw i live in chicago!
 
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eddieras said:
i personally would not want to see chicago - while it's a great facility - huge seating capacity - it's in the middle of nowhere. no hotels nearby, restaurants few. it's 2.5 miles from the heart of chicago - michigan ave.

no question the city is great but the locale and lack of transportation to the United Center would be a huge negative for me. The only public transportation is public buses - to the UC.

oh, btw i live in chicago!
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There's a Metra station less than a mile away.
 
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Flashy Man said:
There's a Metra station less than a mile away.
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the trains at that station do not go east where most of the desirable hotels are located. i would think most people/ tourists would prefer staying near Rush St (bars, restaurants), Michigan Ave (shopping) , Navy Pier, the museums, etc. Hotels in this area provide easy walking distance to all the desired attractions. these are all East of the UC and the only public transportation that goes east/ west from the UC are buses.

also - even if you did get a hotel along that metra line and could (or want to) walk the mile, it's not a neighborhood that you'd want to walk.
 
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eddieras said:
the trains at that station do not go east where most of the desirable hotels are located. i would think most people/ tourists would prefer staying near Rush St (bars, restaurants), Michigan Ave (shopping) , Navy Pier, the museums, etc. Hotels in this area provide easy walking distance to all the desired attractions. these are all East of the UC and the only public transportation that goes east/ west from the UC are buses.

also - even if you did get a hotel along that metra line and could (or want to) walk the mile, it's not a neighborhood that you'd want to walk.
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what about CTA? Medical Center on the Blue Line is what? 4 blocks from the United Center? and 4 stops west of the Loop...
 
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"Boston and Philadelphia had bids turned down in '05 and could again compete to be hosts. St. Louis, Kansas City, Mo.; and Omaha, Neb.; have also indicated interest in be the host of the Frozen Four."

Please, please tell me other cities are bidding. Boston - good. Philly - sucky, gritty, boring slum. St Louis - fine to spend 3 days in once in your life (sorta like Milwaukee). Pittsburgh - the same limit of interesting things to do as St. Louis. Kansas City - mind numbingly boring. Omaha - comatose inducing boring.

I'm willing to put up with Pittsburgh, despite it being a boring city, to support the local program. Such things are necessary sometimes. However, that has to be the only boring city chosen in this batch. Do some three way combo of Philly, Pitts, Omaha, KC or St. Louis and you'll set the event back 20 years.

So Chicago, Boston, DC again, beg New Orleans to bid on it - I'm in. But for the love of God Almighty, stay out of these $h&* cities.
 
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according to the rta trip planner site - closest cta is .5 miles ( 8 blocks to a mile in chicago)

Walk 0.5 mile NE from 1801 W MADISON ST to ASHLAND CTA (GREEN/PINK)

and i still wouldn't want to be walking in the neighborhood...

look - i'm not trying to get into anything here- as i said i've lived here for over 20 years - and i've been going to the FF since '93 - i'm just giving my opinion, combined with some facts about the area. the place that i would think most tourists would want to be is a minimum 2.5 miles away from the UC - michigan ave - from the museum campus to the gold coast.
 
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eddieras said:
according to the rta trip planner site - closest cta is .5 miles ( 8 blocks to a mile in chicago)

Walk 0.5 mile NE from 1801 W MADISON ST to ASHLAND CTA (GREEN/PINK)

and i still wouldn't want to be walking in the neighborhood...

look - i'm not trying to get into anything here- as i said i've lived here for over 20 years - and i've been going to the FF since '93 - i'm just giving my opinion, combined with some facts about the area. the place that i would think most tourists would want to be is a minimum 2.5 miles away from the UC - michigan ave - from the museum campus to the gold coast.
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Yeah, but how many people are going to be making that walk along?? Its going to be groups of people all going at the same time. There's safety in numbers, and I'm sure they can have an extra cop or two patroling the area as well.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
Yeah, but how many people are going to be making that walk along?? Its going to be groups of people all going at the same time. There's safety in numbers, and I'm sure they can have an extra cop or two patroling the area as well.
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excellent point -

i for one really enjoy arenas with a lot to do nearby... and no transportation needed -- just my opinion -
 
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Rover said:
"Boston and Philadelphia had bids turned down in '05 and could again compete to be hosts. St. Louis, Kansas City, Mo.; and Omaha, Neb.; have also indicated interest in be the host of the Frozen Four."

Please, please tell me other cities are bidding. Boston - good. Philly - sucky, gritty, boring slum. St Louis - fine to spend 3 days in once in your life (sorta like Milwaukee). Pittsburgh - the same limit of interesting things to do as St. Louis. Kansas City - mind numbingly boring. Omaha - comatose inducing boring.

I'm willing to put up with Pittsburgh, despite it being a boring city, to support the local program. Such things are necessary sometimes. However, that has to be the only boring city chosen in this batch. Do some three way combo of Philly, Pitts, Omaha, KC or St. Louis and you'll set the event back 20 years.

So Chicago, Boston, DC again, beg New Orleans to bid on it - I'm in. But for the love of God Almighty, stay out of these $h&* cities.
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Omaha "comatose inducing boring?" How much time have you spent there? The Old Market is a short walk from the arena. Plenty of bars, restaurants, etc. They always seem to be able to find enough to do for the crowds at the College World Series. I've been there several times. It's one of the best road trips in the CCHA. There's plenty to do in Downtown Pittsburgh as well, just a couple blocks from the new arena.
 
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davyd83 said:
Omaha "comatose inducing boring?" How much time have you spent there? The Old Market is a short walk from the arena. Plenty of bars, restaurants, etc. They always seem to be able to find enough to do for the crowds at the College World Series. I've been there several times. It's one of the best road trips in the CCHA. There's plenty to do in Downtown Pittsburgh as well, just a couple blocks from the new arena.
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Speaking at length from a position of extreme ignorance is kind of a pastime of Rover's. It's better if you just ignore what he says.
 
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davyd83 said:
Omaha "comatose inducing boring?" How much time have you spent there? The Old Market is a short walk from the arena. Plenty of bars, restaurants, etc. They always seem to be able to find enough to do for the crowds at the College World Series. I've been there several times. It's one of the best road trips in the CCHA. There's plenty to do in Downtown Pittsburgh as well, just a couple blocks from the new arena.
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What the F are you talking about? Yes I've been to these places and to be kind, they suck azz. Forgive me if I can think of far better places to hold the event. Maybe if your version of excitement is going to a generic restaurant and then hitting a market, then great, but for me - no thanks. Furthermore, there is jack to do in downtown Pittsburgh. I stayed right in the middle of downtown and there's nothing going on. All you see is overweight, ragged people smoking cigarettes and shuffling around with nowhere to go. You sound like one of these people who can't figure out why Cincinnatti is considered such as disaster.
 
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Rover said:
What the F are you talking about? Yes I've been to these places and to be kind, they suck azz. Forgive me if I can think of far better places to hold the event. Maybe if your version of excitement is going to a generic restaurant and then hitting a market, then great, but for me - no thanks. Furthermore, there is jack to do in downtown Pittsburgh. I stayed right in the middle of downtown and there's nothing going on. All you see is overweight, ragged people smoking cigarettes and shuffling around with nowhere to go. You sound like one of these people who can't figure out why Cincinnatti is considered such as disaster.
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..."hitting a market..." nice
 
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Too funny. This reminds me of the Boise State fans who get ticked off when people rag on their bowl game as an awful destination and they cite the fact that they have an Applebee's in town when people say there's nothing to do there.

Oooooh, bars and restaurants! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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