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2012 Women's Worlds
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OnMAA
Vort Doen.....Heija Heija Heija
Re: 2012 Women's Worlds
I was at the game at the same end as were Irwin crashed into the back boards. Saw the trailing ref look back as play went up the ice the other way, so they were aware she was hurt. Haley got up, went back down, and clearly could not put any weight on one leg. It was akward to watch. She very slowly got herself to neutral ice, in various positions of crawling and hopping on one leg. In my opinion, it took way too long before they blew the whistle. About half the crowd was booiing the ref when they finally blew the whistle. If I were the Canadian coach, would have been very upset with the slow whistle. With the game already 5-0 game, there is no way it should have taken that long for the whistle to blow. After rushing up the ice, the US circled the puck around at least twice before they finally blew the whistle. What happened to safety first ?.
As far as the game is concerned. This one was over early. US had 2 goals on three shots, 3 goals on 5 shots and 5 goals on 9 shots, all before the game was 6 minutes in. It appearred to me the Canadian team did not find their skating legs until midway in the second. One of those games were nothing went right for the Canucks.
Atmosphere at the Gutt was great. Most of the crowd were waving the American flags handed out to the crowd, and the Barn was full.
I was at the game at the same end as were Irwin crashed into the back boards. Saw the trailing ref look back as play went up the ice the other way, so they were aware she was hurt. Haley got up, went back down, and clearly could not put any weight on one leg. It was akward to watch. She very slowly got herself to neutral ice, in various positions of crawling and hopping on one leg. In my opinion, it took way too long before they blew the whistle. About half the crowd was booiing the ref when they finally blew the whistle. If I were the Canadian coach, would have been very upset with the slow whistle. With the game already 5-0 game, there is no way it should have taken that long for the whistle to blow. After rushing up the ice, the US circled the puck around at least twice before they finally blew the whistle. What happened to safety first ?.
As far as the game is concerned. This one was over early. US had 2 goals on three shots, 3 goals on 5 shots and 5 goals on 9 shots, all before the game was 6 minutes in. It appearred to me the Canadian team did not find their skating legs until midway in the second. One of those games were nothing went right for the Canucks.
Atmosphere at the Gutt was great. Most of the crowd were waving the American flags handed out to the crowd, and the Barn was full.
JosephPSchmoe
I'll say it if you won't
Re: 2012 Women's Worlds
There's a good video recap of the game available. Haley Irwin's collision with the boards is at 1:10. And while the coach said it wasn't a fracture, it still looks ugly. I hope she's okay. Team Canada's collective ego is banged up and bruised tonight, too, but that just sets up a good rematch for next weekend.
There's a good video recap of the game available. Haley Irwin's collision with the boards is at 1:10. And while the coach said it wasn't a fracture, it still looks ugly. I hope she's okay. Team Canada's collective ego is banged up and bruised tonight, too, but that just sets up a good rematch for next weekend.
Blackbeard
Well-known member
Re: 2012 Women's Worlds
Rod Black sounded upset commenting on it a number of times with the final comment that she was trying to get off "for about a minute", but his tone said a lot more.
Rod Black sounded upset commenting on it a number of times with the final comment that she was trying to get off "for about a minute", but his tone said a lot more.
Blackbeard
Well-known member
Re: 2012 Women's Worlds
Thanks for posting the link, unfortunately it doesn't work up here.
Thanks for posting the link, unfortunately it doesn't work up here.
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JosephPSchmoe
I'll say it if you won't
Re: 2012 Women's Worlds
There's a game recap video on the Hockey Canada website. In the column on the right side of the page, the fourth video down ("Costly Loss") has game highlights including Irwin's injury at :45 (I assume you folks can get Canadian websites up there?)
There's a game recap video on the Hockey Canada website. In the column on the right side of the page, the fourth video down ("Costly Loss") has game highlights including Irwin's injury at :45 (I assume you folks can get Canadian websites up there?)
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The older players for both teams, Hayley Wick & Jenny Potter, were really slow. Julie Chu was good but two years from now I don't think so. I think it is time to retire. Is #4 the only one to understand this?
When Irwin got hurt, she was behind the net. Team USA was in complete control with the puck in Canada's Zone. Throw a line change in and thus confusion. The linesman did see her. What is the rule on injured players? Don Cherry would be proud of Irwin, she got up and tried to make it to the bench! She is a hockey player.
This was my first IIHF event, I was bored 3 min in. I for one don't think the women's game will be in the Olympics much longer. All of the other teams couldn't beat Team USA's U18 team. I bet they could not even beat the Ontario U18 team.
Ok, most of them are too old.
The older players for both teams, Hayley Wick & Jenny Potter, were really slow. Julie Chu was good but two years from now I don't think so. I think it is time to retire. Is #4 the only one to understand this?
When Irwin got hurt, she was behind the net. Team USA was in complete control with the puck in Canada's Zone. Throw a line change in and thus confusion. The linesman did see her. What is the rule on injured players? Don Cherry would be proud of Irwin, she got up and tried to make it to the bench! She is a hockey player.
This was my first IIHF event, I was bored 3 min in. I for one don't think the women's game will be in the Olympics much longer. All of the other teams couldn't beat Team USA's U18 team. I bet they could not even beat the Ontario U18 team.
International rules are different than college. The team with the injured player must "control" the puck (much like a delayed penalty situation) before they whistle the play. The linesman was no more than 5 feet from her and watching her struggle tonget off the ice, but there is nothing he can do because Canada didnt control the puck for what seemed like a whole minute after she was hurt. Both Schaus and Lamoreus-Kolls attempted to help her off the ice, but she collapsed when the whistle blew as it was no longer necessary for her to try and get to the bench.
Just FYI-they are using a 3 official system, which is only 1 ref and 2 linesman. Only the ref can call penalties. She can confer with the linesman but rarely do regarding penalties. The linesman are essentially there to call offside, hand pass, high stick, etc.
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ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: 2012 Women's Worlds
Other than an interesting score to put into the history of this rivalry, I wouldn't place much significance on last night's result. The U.S. won, good for them, but it is a preliminary-round game that doesn't mean much more than the exhibition game that the teams played a week earlier. Canada will obviously play much better in a potential medal-round meeting. Wait until after the tournament is over to conclude anything about the relative strength of the two teams.
Other than an interesting score to put into the history of this rivalry, I wouldn't place much significance on last night's result. The U.S. won, good for them, but it is a preliminary-round game that doesn't mean much more than the exhibition game that the teams played a week earlier. Canada will obviously play much better in a potential medal-round meeting. Wait until after the tournament is over to conclude anything about the relative strength of the two teams.
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I would expect Canada to put up a much better fight next time around however it is time for a change. The game has changed and is much faster with better skill than that played in years past. Just look at the speed and skill of the Lam girls, Kessel, Decker, Knight, Coyne to name a few...their transition game and speed off the rush is awesome! Canada has Poulin, Johnstone, Jenner, Spooner to counter with but I just think the USA has adjusted their roster to take the game to a higher level quicker than Canada who seems to have put a little too much faith in drawing from experience rather than youthful enthusiasm, skill, and speed. That does not mean we count Canada out because as we all know, the pressure to win in Canada is huge and the girls can still put it together for that one big effort.
I would expect Canada to put up a much better fight next time around however it is time for a change. The game has changed and is much faster with better skill than that played in years past. Just look at the speed and skill of the Lam girls, Kessel, Decker, Knight, Coyne to name a few...their transition game and speed off the rush is awesome! Canada has Poulin, Johnstone, Jenner, Spooner to counter with but I just think the USA has adjusted their roster to take the game to a higher level quicker than Canada who seems to have put a little too much faith in drawing from experience rather than youthful enthusiasm, skill, and speed. That does not mean we count Canada out because as we all know, the pressure to win in Canada is huge and the girls can still put it together for that one big effort.
Blackbeard
Well-known member
Re: 2012 Women's Worlds
Thanks again. I checked the Hockey Canada site before responding to your first post last night but somehow missed that clip.
One of the main headings on their site ended with "Lesson Learned" which I think is a nonsensical platitude. It's a lesson that doesn't/shouldn't have to be learned...and, if it indeed "had" to be learned then you had no business being there in the first place...it should be known instinctively...especially at this level...it should be coursing through your veins...it ain't that complicated.
It's sort of like showing up to a gunfight with no gun and then afterward saying "lesson learned"...in which case the "lesson" only had to be learned because you made the conscious choice of assuming that the other guy was also going to show up to the gunfight without any hardware.
Seems to me to be a poor strategy...especially when the stakes are so high.
There's a game recap video on the Hockey Canada website. In the column on the right side of the page, the fourth video down ("Costly Loss") has game highlights including Irwin's injury at :45 (I assume you folks can get Canadian websites up there?)
Thanks again. I checked the Hockey Canada site before responding to your first post last night but somehow missed that clip.
One of the main headings on their site ended with "Lesson Learned" which I think is a nonsensical platitude. It's a lesson that doesn't/shouldn't have to be learned...and, if it indeed "had" to be learned then you had no business being there in the first place...it should be known instinctively...especially at this level...it should be coursing through your veins...it ain't that complicated.
It's sort of like showing up to a gunfight with no gun and then afterward saying "lesson learned"...in which case the "lesson" only had to be learned because you made the conscious choice of assuming that the other guy was also going to show up to the gunfight without any hardware.
Seems to me to be a poor strategy...especially when the stakes are so high.
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PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Said it beautifully. Unbelievable how quick the US was in comparison to Canada last night.
Re: 2012 Women's Worlds
very impressed with the speed,quickness and skill level from last nights games-those girls can really fly and completely unselfish with the puck.it was a pleasure to watch last night's game--can't wait for the next game!!burlington is lucky to have such a great tournament.
very impressed with the speed,quickness and skill level from last nights games-those girls can really fly and completely unselfish with the puck.it was a pleasure to watch last night's game--can't wait for the next game!!burlington is lucky to have such a great tournament.
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Chu is two years younger than Ruggiero and has continually stayed involved in playing & coaching hockey, unlike Ruggiero whose life went in many other different directions. I expect Chu will still have plenty left in the tank at 32 in 2014.
To tie in with the rest of your response, it's a good thing Angela is devoted more fully to the IOC, and I think that'll help the reduce the chance those whining about women's hockey parity are successful in getting the sport removed. The whining primarily comes from journalists who are forced to cover it, who are also bored like you and can't think of anything to else to write about it. But the reality is the women's hockey competition is still just as one-sided as the men's ever was in its early years, and to remove the only women's team sport in the Winter Olympics would destroy whatever credibility the IOC has in gender equity.
Chu is two years younger than Ruggiero and has continually stayed involved in playing & coaching hockey, unlike Ruggiero whose life went in many other different directions. I expect Chu will still have plenty left in the tank at 32 in 2014.
Lots of people find lots of Olympic events to be boring, and there are many other factors that determine whether a sport stays in the Olympics or not. Most U.S.-Canada games are pretty exciting though, and this was an exception.
To tie in with the rest of your response, it's a good thing Angela is devoted more fully to the IOC, and I think that'll help the reduce the chance those whining about women's hockey parity are successful in getting the sport removed. The whining primarily comes from journalists who are forced to cover it, who are also bored like you and can't think of anything to else to write about it. But the reality is the women's hockey competition is still just as one-sided as the men's ever was in its early years, and to remove the only women's team sport in the Winter Olympics would destroy whatever credibility the IOC has in gender equity.
OnMAA
Vort Doen.....Heija Heija Heija
Re: 2012 Women's Worlds
Yes it was a loss for the Canuck's and it looked bad, but at the end of the day it was only a preliminary round robin game. The only real meaning for this game was to determine home ice in the final, presuming these same two teams meet again and the US goes on to win pool A. Many times in past worlds, the team that won the round robin game lost in the final.
My take on the game was that Canada had a slow start, and the game was pretty much over after 3minutes. I was standing besides IceisNice, and when the US scored the second goal on the second shift, told him....."Time to call a time out"......Canadian coaches called a time out a few minutes later after the third or fourth goal, but by that time the game was pretty much over.
From a Canadian perspective just one of those games. If you look at the post game interviews with Hefford and Ouellette, they both summed it up perfectly...We were not ready at the start of the game, and can't wait to get back at it tommorow against Finland to show that we are better than what we showed today......
......Time to not get too high if you are an American, and time to not get too low if you are a Canadian.
Having said all that, Kudos to the US team. They looked impressive last night.
Yes it was a loss for the Canuck's and it looked bad, but at the end of the day it was only a preliminary round robin game. The only real meaning for this game was to determine home ice in the final, presuming these same two teams meet again and the US goes on to win pool A. Many times in past worlds, the team that won the round robin game lost in the final.
My take on the game was that Canada had a slow start, and the game was pretty much over after 3minutes. I was standing besides IceisNice, and when the US scored the second goal on the second shift, told him....."Time to call a time out"......Canadian coaches called a time out a few minutes later after the third or fourth goal, but by that time the game was pretty much over.
From a Canadian perspective just one of those games. If you look at the post game interviews with Hefford and Ouellette, they both summed it up perfectly...We were not ready at the start of the game, and can't wait to get back at it tommorow against Finland to show that we are better than what we showed today......
......Time to not get too high if you are an American, and time to not get too low if you are a Canadian.
Having said all that, Kudos to the US team. They looked impressive last night.
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I hope so. Julie Chu is an absolute A+ person. However, Team USA needs to win and I think speed gives them the best chance.
I would love this sport to stay in the olympics but has issues. Two teams are real and the rest are a joke when compared to Team USA & Canada. If your son/ daughter was playing AA hockey, would you sign them up for a B tournament? It has nothing to do with gender. How do we get the rest of the world up to Team USA/ Canadas level? One of the countries in this tournament lists 315 total female hockey players. Not a very big pool to pick from. As a fan, I want to see competition.
I hope so. Julie Chu is an absolute A+ person. However, Team USA needs to win and I think speed gives them the best chance.
I would love this sport to stay in the olympics but has issues. Two teams are real and the rest are a joke when compared to Team USA & Canada. If your son/ daughter was playing AA hockey, would you sign them up for a B tournament? It has nothing to do with gender. How do we get the rest of the world up to Team USA/ Canadas level? One of the countries in this tournament lists 315 total female hockey players. Not a very big pool to pick from. As a fan, I want to see competition.
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OnMAA
Vort Doen.....Heija Heija Heija
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And to add to that, Chu is naturally more speedy to start of with. She has plenty of speed left and then some for this level. Besides, age drop-off does not happen at the same rate, age or level for everyone. Overall women's performance actually drops off at a later stage/age compared to Men. Chu is still a spring chicken, compared to some of the top end Men's players.
And to add to that, Chu is naturally more speedy to start of with. She has plenty of speed left and then some for this level. Besides, age drop-off does not happen at the same rate, age or level for everyone. Overall women's performance actually drops off at a later stage/age compared to Men. Chu is still a spring chicken, compared to some of the top end Men's players.
OnMAA
Vort Doen.....Heija Heija Heija
Re: 2012 Women's Worlds
I hope you are not a Canuck. As Canucks, we should discuss how to get better, but let's wait until the tournament is over. During the tournament, we should stand behind them. JMHO.
I hope you are not a Canuck. As Canucks, we should discuss how to get better, but let's wait until the tournament is over. During the tournament, we should stand behind them. JMHO.