2012 Presidential Election Part 4

[Rover]

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Whenever Opie and huskyfan start latching onto something you know its straight from the lunatic fringe.

So, Benghazi. How incompetent must Mittens be to not bring up this "worst coverup since Watergate" during a foreign policy debate. I mean, its not like you can credibly argue he didn't want to politicize the issue, since he sent out a press release full of lies a half hour after the attack happened. Very odd, unless....

This whole thing reminds me of the Clinton era, where pathetic knuckledraggers tried desperately to cling to any, ANY, ridiculous story to make up for their Watergate humiliation with Nixon. You'll notice its always older people, as in those at or around their 60's, pushing this stuff. I've made a mint off these people selling them fake copies of Obama's birth certificate from Kenya, even though its written in crayon. Unfortunately, stupid and paranoid is a bad combination, yet I think that describes the vast majority of older conservatives in this country.

 

[Bob Gray]

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That would actually be pretty cool - I'd be very curious to see exactly how one goes about "repealing" a Supreme Court decision. There's a first time for everything, I guess!

Hey, with the maneuverings we see in D.C. these days by politicians, you never know what someone might try! That would be groundbreaking though, even by today's absurd Beltway goings on.

 

[geezer]

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I've made a mint off these people selling them fake copies of Obama's birth certificate from Kenya, even though its written in crayon.

You didn't build that!

 

[Rover]

You didn't build that!

Yes I admit I purchased the crayons!!!

 

[Bob Gray]

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You didn't build that!

He outsourced all the work to China.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Yes I admit I purchased the crayons!!!

And did you hand-deliver each copy walking through forests and hiking over mountains?

 

[5mn_Major]

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Why does the cost of gasoline always come up in a political discussion? Politicians have ZERO effect on the price of oil and gasoline. Politicians know this yet the pander to the problems of the 90% of Americans that struggle with the finances due in large part to oil. Prices skyrocketed after Katrina and there was nothing anyone could have done to prevent that. Except maybe the greedy oiil companies who took a natural disaster as an excuse to jack up prices. There was nothing the any politician could have done to stop the BP oil spill that caused oil prices to rise. Another main contributing factor to the rise in gas and oil prices recently: Libya and the Chinese economic explosive growth. All of these factors caused prices to rise while we increased production. When will someone bring up this fact and stop using it to blame this president or a reason to elect the other guy. Learn the facts!

Not sure if youre referring to me. But the Iraq war had a huge effect on oil prices, which nearly tripled in the next 3 years and peaked at 6 times within the decade.

I'm sorry, but that is ****ing offensive. Shame on you. Seriously.

I really hope you figure out this conservative outrage thing in a few years. Until then right media is happy to cash in.

 

[Rover]

And did you hand-deliver each copy walking through forests and hiking over mountains?

Left that to the Post Office. Figured they could use the business!

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Left that to the Post Office. Figured they could use the business!

You didn't do that, then.

 

[joecct]

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Not sure if youre referring to me. But the Iraq war had a huge effect on oil prices, which nearly tripled in the next 3 years and peaked at 6 times within the decade.

I really hope you figure out this conservative outrage thing in a few years. Until then right media is happy to cash in.

To say the the War was the sole cause is a bit misleading. We also had the housing meltdown and the beginnings of the War Against Terror before we did the regime change in Iraq.

 

[Rover]

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Not that I want to be drawn into a protracted discussion about gas prices, but one thing that's missing is what The Economist covered last week. People are driving less and getting better gas mileage. Now part of the first one is due to the recession I'm sure, but apparently youngsters don't drive as much as previous generations, even to the point of getting their licenses later on or not at all (clearly they grew up in far more interesting towns than I did where a car was the only way to escape). So gas prices can do their thing, but people could very well be shelling out less money for gas every month. Fuel efficiency and availability of mass transit can be affected by politicians even if gas prices themselves cannot.

 

[Slap Shot]

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I'm curious if Streaker posts without first running it by the spoon-fed knuckledragger blogosphere. He has the neocon, "gotcha" catchphrase of the day down pat. At least Old Pio changes it up enough (when I can see his posts quoted) so as not to get accused of plagiarism.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Not that I want to be drawn into a protracted discussion about gas prices, but one thing that's missing is what The Economist covered last week. People are driving less and getting better gas mileage.

Are Gas Prices Dropping Because Of The Election?

“No, not really at all,” said Patrick DeHaan, a senior petroleum analyst with GasBuddy.com. “If you move the presidential election to the spring time when gas prices are always going up, people would probably cite it, too.”

The questions about presidential politics manipulating prices at the pump aren’t new.

Back in 2006, a CBS news story reported that before the mid-term congressional elections, 42 percent of America thought the Bush Administration messed with gas prices.

Before the last presidential election in 2008, gas was at $3.74 in August.

Just after the election, in November, it was $2.07.

“You’re not getting out the boat, going in the lake in the winter” DeHaan said. “You’re not going to the beach, not having outdoor barbecues.”

He continued: “Why would prices under Bush and Obama be $3 during their presidency if they could control it? If they could, trust me, we wouldn’t be spending billions of dollars on tax relief only to see it undone by energy prices. It’s just stupid.”

So we’re driving less right now, and we’re using winter-blend gasoline, which is cheaper to produce, because they use butane instead of more expensive ingredients that keep pollution down.

 

[Old Pio]

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Whenever Opie and huskyfan start latching onto something you know its straight from the lunatic fringe.

So, Benghazi. How incompetent must Mittens be to not bring up this "worst coverup since Watergate" during a foreign policy debate. I mean, its not like you can credibly argue he didn't want to politicize the issue, since he sent out a press release full of lies a half hour after the attack happened. Very odd, unless....

This whole thing reminds me of the Clinton era, where pathetic knuckledraggers tried desperately to cling to any, ANY, ridiculous story to make up for their Watergate humiliation with Nixon. You'll notice its always older people, as in those at or around their 60's, pushing this stuff. I've made a mint off these people selling them fake copies of Obama's birth certificate from Kenya, even though its written in crayon. Unfortunately, stupid and paranoid is a bad combination, yet I think that describes the vast majority of older conservatives in this country.

Change the subject all you want (it's all you've got) Insult all you want (again, all you've got). Rationalize 'till your t*ts hit the ground. His Liarness screwed the pooch. And then fed credulous Americans (that's you, bub) a fairy tale about a group of Libyan film critics who went just a little ape sh*t and killed an American ambassador and three others.

Obama DENIED People DIED Then he LIED

 

[Old Pio]

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I'm curious if Streaker posts without first running it by the spoon-fed knuckledragger blogosphere. He has the neocon, "gotcha" catchphrase of the day down pat. At least Old Pio changes it up enough (when I can see his posts quoted) so as not to get accused of plagiarism.

"Ignorance. . .it's what's happenin'"

 

[Rover]

I'm curious if Streaker posts without first running it by the spoon-fed knuckledragger blogosphere. He has the neocon, "gotcha" catchphrase of the day down pat. At least Old Pio changes it up enough (when I can see his posts quoted) so as not to get accused of plagiarism.

streaker sounds like a guy just having some fun posting inflammatory stuff. As someone who likes to amuse himself at other posters' expense, I can respect that. .

Opie is a True Believer. Upon Obama's re-election he's going to fence off his yard with barbed wire, get armed to the teeth and declare his property a sovereign nation! Opie's neighbors must wonder every night how many people they killed in a previous life to have to live next door to him in this one.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I'm curious if Streaker posts without first running it by the spoon-fed knuckledragger blogosphere. He has the neocon, "gotcha" catchphrase of the day down pat. At least Old Pio changes it up enough (when I can see his posts quoted) so as not to get accused of plagiarism.

What's the matter, don't "check in" on us once in a while? Even I like to take a peek at the drivel Rover or unofan post.

 

[pirate]

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Where was the outrage regarding the right's 'leadership'?

Trillions of dollars (much of it borrowed and spent with weak dollars)
4,500 American casualties (50% more than 9/11)
100k innocent casualties (source: US Army)
Cost of petroleum skyrocketed from $25 a barrel to over $80 from 2003 to 2006

So now what was that Benghazi thingy?

In all honesty, you know that Murdoch has duped you again on this. The right is outraged. And nobody, absolutely nobody else cares.

Afghanistan:
Congressional votes -
House of Representatives
On September 14, 2001 bill House Joint Resolution 64 passed in the House. The totals in the House of Representatives were: 420 Ayes, 1 Nay and 10 Not Voting. The Nay was Barbara Lee, D-CA. [2] Lee is notable as the only member of either house of Congress to vote against this bill.[3]

Senate
On September 14, 2001 Senate Joint Resolution 23 passed in the Senate by roll call vote. The totals in the Senate were: 98 Ayes, 0 Nays, 2 Present/Not Voting (Senators Larry Craig - R and Jesse Helms - R).


The War in Iraq did not enjoy such support but still passed with the help of 111 Democratic votes in both houses.


The war is a lot of things, but I don't think it is a product of only one party.



As for your Benghazi comments, shameful.

 

[Old Pio]

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Not to speak for him, but I think he means that nobody cares about their Faux (Murdoch reference) conspiracy theory that's being cooked up.

I'm sure we all care about the 4 who died.

The question becomes, could they have sent in the cavalry in time? Should they have?

I know the emotional ones around here don't want to hear it, but there's a risk/reward, cost/benefit analysis that has to be weighed in situations like this. Again, the government or military needs to weigh things that we as regular people don't want to hear about.

This isn't Black Ops on my son's xBox.

He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. He said what he meant. I presume he meant what he said. There is no evidence that we "all" care about the 4 who died. Especially since their deaths have the potential to derail His Liarness' campaign. And nothing or nobody can stand in the way of that 2nd term.

So your analysis is that His Islamistness pulled the chicken switch--but he had a good reason for doing it? What is the "risk" of blowing some rag head mother-effing Islamo-fascist a*sholes (who are attacking an American diplomatic mission) to h*ll? Isn't His Loserness always bragging about clipping terrorists with Hellfires? And how he personally makes the decision as to who should live and who should die? Even the ones who are American citizens? Why was this great military leader suddenly frozen into inaction here?

Obama DENIED People DIED Then he LIED

 

[Foxton]

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Obama DENIED People DIED Then he LIED

Who was the idiot who was also posting drivel like this last election? It's so hard to keep names in an echo chamber straight.