2012 Presidential Election Part 4

[Handyman]

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/...ama-doesnt-give-a-****-about-romney-photo-op/

I am surprised he wasnt labelled a (D) by Faux when he gave this interview.

 

[5mn_Major]

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can we at least agree on the basic facts in Benghazi?

Ambassador and intel report possible threats from Islamist terrorists.
Ambassador guarded by Libyan hired guns.
Repeated requests for additional security.
Consulate attacked set on fire.
(ambassador and aide killed)
two former Navy Seals leave safe house near consulate request help. 2 or 3 times.
told to stand down.
they leave safe house and rescue 30 or so American personel and take them to safe house.
safehouse attacked.
Seals hold off attackers for 7 hours before being killed.
State Department (and situation room ?) watch in real time from two unarmed drones.
SecDef goes to White House.

questions to be answered (in my mind anyway)

why didnt the Amb have more security? as a gay American he was a likely target.
were SecState and Pres informed and when? its hard to believe they would not be informed in the first hour or two.
who made the decision to "stand down?
why?
who made the decision to bring in the anti Islamic film?

if this has even a whiff of David Axelrod I'm really really ****ed off that political operatives make security decisions. is that enough for impeachment? I doubt it.

Where was the outrage regarding the right's 'leadership'?

Trillions of dollars (much of it borrowed and spent with weak dollars)
4,500 American casualties (50% more than 9/11)
100k innocent casualties (source: US Army)
Cost of petroleum skyrocketed from $25 a barrel to over $80 from 2003 to 2006

So now what was that Benghazi thingy?

In all honesty, you know that Murdoch has duped you again on this. The right is outraged. And nobody, absolutely nobody else cares.

 

[huskyfan]

So now what was that Benghazi thingy?

In all honesty, you know that Murdoch has duped you again on this. The right is outraged. And nobody, absolutely nobody else cares.

this "Benghazi thingy" is an invasion of American soil. no different than an attack on Chicago, New York or Guam. Ambassadors are sacrosanct - very few lose their lives. "nobody" cares? I'll bet their families friends and colleagues care. I bet diplomatic staff in other dangerous countries care. the military cares. State Dept lifers care. somebody in the upper reaches of the US govt care enough to cover it up.

 

[The Rube]

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[Old Pio]

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this "Benghazi thingy" is an invasion of American soil. no different than an attack on Chicago, New York or Guam. Ambassadors are sacrosanct - very few lose their lives. "nobody" cares? I'll bet their families friends and colleagues care. I bet diplomatic staff in other dangerous countries care. the military cares. State Dept lifers care. somebody in the upper reaches of the US govt care enough to cover it up.

It is astonishing how libstains, desperately trying to drag this lying president's corpse over the finish line to a second term, are willing to explain away and rationalize the hideous murders of an ambassador and three other diplomatic personnel in service to that goal. It is shameful. And they should be ashamed.

They are beyond trying to put the best possible face on a foreign policy disaster. Trying to explain both the president's inexplicable inaction while 4 Americans died. And his pathetic subsequent lying about the "cause" of the event. They now implicity admit His Liarness screwed the pooch here and organized a coverup. Offering instead "who cares?"

And they suggest it should be a matter of indifference because far more Americans have died in Iraq. Which is the "fault" of the hated GWB. It's as if they've established some sort of threshold beyond which we're entitled to be outraged at needless, avoidable "presidential deaths," and it's way more than 4. Needless to say it's also the worst kind of tu quoque argumentation. This president (any president) has an absolute responsibility to protect the lives of the people he sends overseas to represent us diplomatically. A responsibility which he failed to meet here. And nothing George W. Bush did can change that.

Deaths on the battlefield, in Iraq or Afghanistan, do not vitiate the sins of omission and commission of this administration in Benghazi. It is a classic comparison of apples to oranges. To refer to the "Benghazi thingy" is to reveal a soul so craven, so politicized as to put me in mind of the dreadful monsters in the bunker. Smaller scale of course, same thinking.

Obama DENIED People DIED then he LIED

 

[REDMEN2002]

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So now what was that Benghazi thingy?

In all honesty, you know that Murdoch has duped you again on this. The right is outraged. And nobody, absolutely nobody else cares.

I'm sorry, but that is ****ing offensive. Shame on you. Seriously.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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I'm sorry, but that is ****ing offensive. Shame on you. Seriously.

Not to speak for him, but I think he means that nobody cares about their Faux (Murdoch reference) conspiracy theory that's being cooked up.

I'm sure we all care about the 4 who died.

The question becomes, could they have sent in the cavalry in time? Should they have?

I know the emotional ones around here don't want to hear it, but there's a risk/reward, cost/benefit analysis that has to be weighed in situations like this. Again, the government or military needs to weigh things that we as regular people don't want to hear about.

This isn't Black Ops on my son's xBox.

 

[geezer]

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From the maths, it would appear to be over. 538.com has Obama expanding his lead at the fastest rate of the year this week, now near 80% sure thing and a 60 EV lead. So according to this there is now virtually no chance that Romney has time to make a comeback.
On the other hand, if Romney does somehow pull it off, I'm seriously going to NYC so I can point at Nate Silver's face and laugh as loud as humanly possible while he cries and fills out Home Depot job applications.
But no, it's over.

Isn't it?

 

[bronconick]

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1 in 5 gives him an out. Now Dr. Sam Wang over at the Princeton Election Consortium had Obama at 98% to win (currently down, obviously hacked by conservatives ). He's put his money where his mouth is.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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If RMoney gets elected, how many minutes do you think it will take for the Evangelical thumpers to repeal Roe v. Wade?

3

 

[Rover]

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I report. You decide.

Ohio: Obama 50%, Romney 45% (Quinnipiac)

Florida: Obama 48%, Romney 47% (Quinnipiac)

Iowa: Obama 50%, Romney 45% (Public Policy Polling)

Michigan: Obama 48%, Romney 45% (Detroit News)

Pennsylvania: Obama 48%, Romney 44% (Franklin and Marshall)

Virginia: Obama 49%, Romney 47% (Quinnipiac)

Wisconsin: Obama 51%, Romney 46% (Public Policy Polling)


More from yesterday:

Colorado: Obama 48%, Romney 45% (Project New America)

Florida: Romney 48%, Obama 47% (Newsmax/Zogby)

Florida: Obama 47%, Romney 47% (SurveyUSA)

North Carolina: Romney 50%, Obama 45% (SurveyUSA)

Ohio: Obama 50%, Romney 46% (Newsmax/Zogby)

Ohio: Obama 49%, Romney 46% (SurveyUSA)

Ohio: Obama 48%, Romney 45% (Project New America)

Virginia: Obama 48%, Romney 47% (Newsmax/Zogby)

Another state that has never been considered a swing state but appears close:

Oregon: Obama 47%, Romney 41% (Elway)

Also from Charlie Cook: http://www.nationaljournal.com/colu...lit-electoral-popular-vote-very-real-20121030

Interesting regarding VA, FA, and NC. Looks like he's seeing the same thing the rest of us are!

 

[LynahFan]

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If RMoney gets elected, how many minutes do you think it will take for the Evangelical thumpers to repeal Roe v. Wade?

That would actually be pretty cool - I'd be very curious to see exactly how one goes about "repealing" a Supreme Court decision. There's a first time for everything, I guess!

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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That would actually be pretty cool - I'd be very curious to see exactly how one goes about "repealing" a Supreme Court decision. There's a first time for everything, I guess!

Simple. Amend the Constitution. They're doing that at the State Level on every issue they can that they can't pass the regular way (gay marriage, voting laws, etc.). That would match the "spirit" of the word "repeal".

 

[bronconick]

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Why is John Elway doing a poll in Oregon?

 

[bronconick]

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Simple. Amend the Constitution. They're doing that at the State Level on every issue they can that they can't pass the regular way (gay marriage, voting laws, etc.). That would match the "spirit" of the word "repeal".

You have a very odd view of what "simple" is. I doubt you could pass an Constitutional amendment proclaiming apple pie as awesome in this environment, much less something that people disagree on.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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That would actually be pretty cool - I'd be very curious to see exactly how one goes about "repealing" a Supreme Court decision. There's a first time for everything, I guess!

Constitutional amendment. It's how they repealed the Supreme Court's decision about income taxes in the late 1800's.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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You have a very odd view of what "simple" is. I doubt you could pass an Constitutional amendment proclaiming apple pie as awesome in this environment, much less something that people disagree on.

How were amendments 16 and 18 passed?

 

[Chickens@NU]

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Why does the cost of gasoline always come up in a political discussion? Politicians have ZERO effect on the price of oil and gasoline. Politicians know this yet the pander to the problems of the 90% of Americans that struggle with the finances due in large part to oil. Prices skyrocketed after Katrina and there was nothing anyone could have done to prevent that. Except maybe the greedy oiil companies who took a natural disaster as an excuse to jack up prices. There was nothing the any politician could have done to stop the BP oil spill that caused oil prices to rise. Another main contributing factor to the rise in gas and oil prices recently: Libya and the Chinese economic explosive growth. All of these factors caused prices to rise while we increased production. When will someone bring up this fact and stop using it to blame this president or a reason to elect the other guy. Learn the facts!

 

[bronconick]

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How were amendments 16 and 18 passed?

Do you see 67 senators agreeing on anything remotely politicly controversial? Neither of those amendments would have left the House floor, much less gone to the states nowadays.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Why does the cost of gasoline always come up in a political discussion? Politicians have ZERO effect on the price of oil and gasoline. Politicians know this yet the pander to the problems of the 90% of Americans that struggle with the finances due in large part to oil. Prices skyrocketed after Katrina and there was nothing anyone could have done to prevent that. Except maybe the greedy oiil companies who took a natural disaster as an excuse to jack up prices. There was nothing the any politician could have done to stop the BP oil spill that caused oil prices to rise. Another main contributing factor to the rise in gas and oil prices recently: Libya and the Chinese economic explosive growth. All of these factors caused prices to rise while we increased production. When will someone bring up this fact and stop using it to blame this president or a reason to elect the other guy. Learn the facts!

Another contributing factor to the price of gas rising despite the price of oil going down: WTI is worthless. We don't have the infrastructure to move it. According to the messiah dictator, he builds that, not us.